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hmm so im guessing these hindu's r considerd "anti-hindu's"?? i mean when some sikh says anything against the basic teachings of sikhism there branded as another anti-sikh branch.. so im guess these hindu's r branded as an anti-hindu branch? cause i have a hindu friend in uni an he says its part of the basics of the hindu religion to belive in the caste system.. :6 Caste system used to be always present. But it was very mobile .. that is people from different castes used to migrate to each other very easily. Especially those of Savarna castes (twice born) used not to have any serious difference between them i.e. a Khatri easily marries a Brahmin and there is no difference to caste status. If father is Brahmin and mother is Khatri then the child also is considered Brahmin etc. Between Savarna and Avarna castes, there used to be mobility but the result of union of these two castes could not claim to be of the Savarna order. But in a lot of places this is what exactly happened. A lot of people started calling themselves Brahmin or Kshatriya because they married into Savarna caste. But after 700 yr tyranny of Mughals this social mobility arithmetic broke down because of various reasons. And castes started becoming insular and inward-looking. This was exentuated during British rule where again castes started growing insular because of squeeze on the resources. Thus everyone started fending for themselves and society got more casteist.

Actually I have studied Hindu religion closely and compared it with Bible and Abrahamic faiths. The Jewish Kabbala records the Abrahamic version of the pre-biblical history. And it is a ditto copy, paste from Hindu scriptures. Origin of man is full of sexual depictions. It does not mean that sexual stuff is good or bad but it has to be looked at with different eyes. Not victorian or Islamist eyes where all things sexual are bad.

who is this dude??? Krishna I guess. Or are you taking offence at my calling him dude ? :umm:

Yadaa Yadaa hi Dharmasya Glanirbhavati Bharata Abhyuttanam Adharmasya Tadaatmaanam Srujamyaham Paritranaya Sadhunaam Vinaashaya ch Dushkritaam Dharmasansthapanarthaya Sambhavami Yuge Yuge read this carefully, this dude is saying that he will be back. but back from where. where is his home ?

>> China did invade a large part of what was the Indian territory and never gave it back to India. Yeah, but that territory was not in Arunachal but in Aksai Chin in North East Kashmir. >> In the future china, russia and the muslim world are going to get together(infact its already happening) and India along with the west is going to suffer badly. We shall see. As you know we have spirituality.

>> Maybe i will re-define the word 'tyranny' and make it something that this world has not seen before and make everyone want to be 'tyrannised'. Maybe .. Hindus will start licking your feet automatically thinking they are licking Mars bar. And Brahmins will come under your shoe thinking it is a giant banyan tree. Anything is possible .. just as you said

Sikh tyranny! :lol: Atleast you have the courage to admit that much. All people who speak in hateful language want to replace present tyranny with their own tyranny.

Brahmins don't know that there is a universe out there. They are found only on this earth. The hindu theology has only three spheres, akaash, pataal and dharti. And they grew out of brahma's forehead, maybe they were clones created by aliens thousands of years ago or test tube babies. Sikhs are on a higher plane than others, spiritually that is. Actually there are 7 if you read Rig Veda. Except on Earth alien dudes live on all others. And even Gods like Shiva, Brahma & Vishnu are alien dudes.

this is news to me. Seriously. I thought China was saying Arunachal Pradesh was their territory and India was sitting on it. Again I had a diffeerent opinion there. But n/m. You might like to read this. From Orbat.com Karzai Says it as he sees it President Hamid Karzai condemned the bombing and said it was carried out by militants trying to rupture the friendship between Afghanistan and India. You are the boss. If you say we are not, then we are not.

China's oil passes through Indian waters or very close by. And their navy does not come anywhere near India's. they do not have an aircraft carrier (neither do we lol, but we had one till recently). So what chances do you think India has ? And in any case just like 'man does not live on bread alone but every word that proceeds from the mouth of God', we Indians shall live on Simran, Path, Ardaas, Prayers etc. Afterall we are a spiritual society. We can awake the latent spirituality in our people through this. What do you think ?

If you listen to too much Indian media news then this is the impression that one will get. Stop listening to too much news. peace

Why do you talk of alien Sikhs .. why don't you talk of alien Brahmins ?? You know Brahmins are so evil .. what will happen if there are alien Brahmin as well ??

I must admit you are the master of parallel discussion. You have capability to hijack any thread and take discussion elsewhere to satisfy your own agenda. And what you have written above about Hindus, you do not find even tad bit offensive. Speak of hypocrisy. Why do you complain of Brahmin discrimination and caste-system. When you yourself admit that you keep 'Brahmins under your shoe and Hindus lick your feet'. I must say you are worse than Brahmin hain. :rolleyes: You have replace Brahmin tyranny with your tyranny. What new do you have to offer to the world ??

One dude has machine gunned me down and you are calling me doggy. the points you raise refer to "Indology" and "Indian Social Structure" both of which are outside the perview of this thread. I have put forward the contention that there is no such animal such as the 'Aryan' race. That is there is just the word 'n' added to the Arya (which means nobility) which was a result of sociological construct first formulated by Herbert Guenther. Hitler later borrowed this term for his race of mythical Aryan beings. The progression of civilization has been from east to the west (Indophile contention) rather than from west to east (europhile argument). And to erase records of such exchange the european revisionists decided to invent this Aryan theory and invert history to suit their agenda. Please read my above articles (just to keep my wish) in order to understand what I perceive as "Western Intellectual Framework".

Can u imagine if there 's a chernobyl like accident or a delibrate accident done by GOI, it would be a genocide of majority of Sikh population the evil Hindu can do anything at anytime, but the noble IAEA official is reliable.

apne, I have made my stand clear. You want to discuss "Indian Intellectual Framework" or "Brahminical Tyranny" or "Hindu Casteism" or "Hindu Cruelty" or "Indian brutality" or anything as you please, you will have to a) Start a thread b) Carry the thread on your knowledge c) Guide the thread d) Put in your effort so you know what to do. I have no problem with you opening as many threads as you want. And the 5 million lives lost at the time of partition could have been avoided if we had understood "Western Intellectual Framework" then. Churchill was in constant dialogue with Jinnah and gave him assurance to start "Direct Action Day" where he could indulge in "Qatl-e-aam" of Hindus in Bengal and no they would not bat an eyelid and British Police would look the other way. It was Churchill and English elite who allowed the partition holocaust to take place through deliberate moves that left the Hindus and Sikhs at the mercy of the muslims.

JHUJAARROO, do you mean when the Pakistanis sent tribal Afridis to Kashmir who then raped & looted Kashmiris ? And the Kashmiri king then begged for India's interference ? Later on Kashmiri Sunni muslims decided to ethnically cleanse kashmiri Hindus and declare their state as Dar-Ul-Islam. Now Kashmiri Sunni muslims in Baltistan & Gilgit are chopping off limbs off local Shias because they are not muslim enough. Do you want to see pictures ?

>>So far, I have not seen any news as where the Akalis claim to support Govt on N-deal. this news was made public just 5 minutes ago.

>> And then it is accepted fact for west to deny any Indian holocausts. Explained by examples below

there are some issues that are sacrosanct in the west. It is politically correct and accepted to talk about Hitler's and German atrocities against Jews and the Jewish holocaust. It is also correct to arrest and imprison those who even question this jewish holocaust. Some historians question on the numbers of those claimed to have been affected. 6 million is a figure usually given by western media over jewish casualties in second world war. Some historians who ask where are the dead bodies of these 6 million people because all that has been managed to retrieve is 6,000 to 30,000. So what about the rest ? Vanished into thin air ? And then it is accepted fact for west to deny any Indian holocausts. They like to brush it under the carpet. Similarly Hitler was a eugenist .. heard of Dr. Mengele who was his chief scientist in experimenting on humans. Supposedly (we believe only because western media tells us so). But it is ok to question Hitler's role as an eugenist and no one even dare publish any articles in the newspaper supporting Hitler like the dude who wrote the above one. But it is ok to question *Indian Intelligence* and ask for immigration curbs against Indians openly in a newspaper (firstly they have allowed him to publish this dastardly article in first place). The gentleman who has published this article is a budding eugenist who has not been arrested. The West permits racial exclusivism against some races and promotes this as equality and equal-behaviour. So much so that common man also accepts these theories and this line of questioning uncomplainingly. This is called psy-ops.

ok. Point accepted. How many individuals do you find supporting Hitler in the west apne ? According to various historians Hitler was a budding eugenist like this fellow above. p.s. Supporting Hitler openly in media i.e. And supporting his theories on Jews, Gypsies and others.

Apparently in a bid to shore up support for its Nuclear deal, the Congress is offering Cash Money to anyone who has MP's in their pocket and lends it support in the floor of the parliament. And wonder who comes first to grab this offer ?? yes ... you guessed it correctly It is your favorite son .. Shri Sukhbir Badal has landed up in Congress doorstep offering support to embattled Congress on nuclear deal. Do these people have no loyalties except for money

And I am talking of subtle stuff like this: Can you find out what is wrong with this article ? Does anyone understand what this racist fellow is trying to sell ?? this rubbish when data like those below is freely available Data from US 2000 census

apne, it is a very interesting thought process that you have exhibited. But in the last paragraph I can see that you want to machine gun me down for some reason. :o why don't you go ahead and open a 'brahmin thread' and there we can debate this issue in detail. there are a lot of ideas and thoughts in this regard that I would like to share with you. But not on this thread. This thread is not for 'brahmin-bashing' purposes. I have set this thread up with a specific purpose. All the youth who frequent this forum know that Hindu are uniformly evil, but they have no clue about the cunningness of the west and how they cynically utilize these internal divisions. This thread is exclusively devoted to studying that phenomenon. I hope you shall co-operate with me in this respect.

how sweet Sarpanch. :lol: you are the sweetest guy on this forum and take the award for tenacity. :WW: Now please allow me some privileges on my thread ?