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Sikhs do not say like that.

Sikhs say " Teg Bahadar Hind di chadar" Hind means India and not any particulAR community.

Go and research the history behind that slogan who coined it and how it was changed.

I get these types of questions too. Sometimes when I am in a happy mood, I would pull their leg by saying "Oh No, I never do path, I have no need to, I was born with all the path already done" or "I am going to do some path in 10mins, would you like to join me?"

Well all I can say that you are great and more wise and knowledgeable than me and I am really-2 stupid. May Satguru bless me with more wisdom.

If you believe that, then thats your choice, all I will say its a brilliant way out of an discussion. Indeed, I agree with you, May SatGuru Ji bless you and ME with more wisdom.

vaheguru ji ka khalsa, vaheguru ji ki fateh

:khalsa: :waheguru:

Nobody will know when it will happen.

ahhh, see. its like saying, how long is a piece of string. Nobody knows, its all speculation.

You firstly believed that Khalsa Raj will not come in a couple of centuries or may be never to which I have been giving some hints about the coming war and difficulties to which your question was what it has to do with

Khalsa Raj.

To my best I have explained the link between the two. As the topic asks when will be Khalsa Raj - if I say that it will be within this very century (21st) and the present generation will see it, is that not enough for debunking your belief ?

What will you do with the dates even I had them?

Debunking my beliefs? You call riddles debunking? What will I do, I will frame them and pray to them. :omg: Look up what debunking is. Posting a link to a youtube video where a guy is talking about the economic hard times everyone is going through is hardly debunking. Like I said to you before, I am aware of that guy and his work, along with many others. I am surprised you didn't post a link to Alex Jones...

Fact is, neither you or anybody knows the future, not even these religious people, no disrespect to them, but I don't go for this hocus pocus doomsday stuff. I personally do not know anybody who knows the future, if you do, then let me know,I would love to meet them.

No, I won't see Khalsa Raj in my life time. Then there is the question, what type of Khalsa Raj will it be? Who will lead it? etc. There are many many questions.The Muslims believe the hidden iman will reveal himself within this generation. The Christians say the end of times are near when Jesus will be back. I believe all this has to do with the change of the age and people are planting their "theories" onto this, nothing more.

When did Gurbani and the Sikhs start predicting the future. As for Khalsa Raj, I believe its a state of mind, as for worldly rule, or worldwide rule, well its like saying the Mayans will rule the world. It might happen, there is a possibility, however the realistic chances of that happening are very very low.

please post another youtube video debunking me.

I think this topic is already been discussed before:

http://www.sikhsanga...iends-clothing/

haha....kudos to you bro..you used the search facility...

I need evidence.

Talk to Paramjit Singh from Kashi House, or amandeep Singh madra.

As far as I know, from my research, this picture is a fake and not of Maharaja Ranjit Singh. Its said that this is a picture of Sher Ali Khan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sher_Ali_Khan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sher_Ali_Khan_and_company_of_Afghanistan_in_1869.jpg

http://www.garenewing.co.uk/angloafghanwar/biography/amir.php

http://www.afghanembassyjp.com/en/life/?pn=24

now compare the two and pay attention to the style of their turbans.

Dude you serious need to do your research and not just use google as your source.

Cameras didn't enter India until late 1850's (I will check this and correct it), by that time Hari Singh Nalwa was dead and so was Ranjit Singh.

Forgive me, but this is nothing but propaganda and politics played by Badal and his masters the BJP.

For the record, the slogan is Tegh Bahadur Shrist Di Chader. Shrist means entire world. These Hindu groups and Pro Hindu Sikhs have changed it from Shrist to Hind.

When these so called Hindu groups honestly and truely side with the Sikhs and demand

1. that the Indian Military hand back the artifacts they looted from Darbar Sahib Library

2. that Gurdwara Gyan Godri be built in its original place

3. chandigarh be given back to punjab, infact haryana and himachal too

4. punjabs waters are not tampered with

5. the sikhs are recognised as a separate dharam within the constitution

6. a full apology given to the sikhs by all hindu organisation for the constant attacks and interference

7. Justice be given to the victims of 1984 and their homes, land, etc be restored back to them.

these "brahmins" don't care, they are stooges of Badal and BJP sent to stir things up. This is nothing but politics.

Sarna maybe a "gangster", however Badal is no better.

Sorry but indian people sometimes have more respect and are more loyal.

You said it, "sometimes" being the operative word here. There are respectful and loyal people here too. don't forget that.

Thanks for the advice veer Ji. Will keep it in mind in the upcoming three years. :respect: :respect: :run: :feelingfree:

Just do ardas and you will get what you deserve.

Most people who get married in India either get married because they can't get married here (UK), or they are seeking a "homely" girl who they think will be a "good wife". this is a big misconception, especially now the way India is.

Then we have stupid threads on this site where people cry about the girls here.

I think the girls here are fine the way they are. you will be in for a shock when you see the girls in India, even boys, they are even worse.

Put it this way, if you get married in India today, you are literally marrying her or his WHOLE FAMILY. start saving up

when you apply to renew her visa or to switch it from two year spouse visa to indefinite, well don't. Just extend it for another two years.....

This is a battle of ego, however she needs to respect you, your're her husband and you of course need to respect her.

There is alot of culture difference, tell her parents who will talk to her. Her family, etc need to stop interfering in your marriage.

I have read his book, when it first came out over 15 years ago.

You still did not answer my questions, stop beating around the bush and answer the question.

You are saying that in a decade, meaning 10 years Khalsa Raj will be established.

When will these ten years start?

What is the fuss about again ?

Yes a statue of sri chand with some money infront, but I didn't see anyone waving a diva around it or anything. It was outside away from the 'Birh'

Maybe he was an udassi and that explains the statue but what was wrong with that ?

We should leave these guys alone and let them do what they do. They don't do anything anti-sikh and they don't cause any harm to sikhism.

Remeber that Yogi Bhajan single handedly made over 100,000 white sikhs from scratch !! ALL amritdhari.

There is not a single person that can make the same amount of already sehajdhari monai into amritdhari in that manner.

These people have made the US and world aware of sikhs, I mean the president knowswhat sikhs are because of 3HO- so why the hell are we picking on them like kids.

In reality our own punjabi sikhs that are anti-gurmat are everywhere in huge numbers !

How many sikhs do you see with some red thread or rakhree on walking about ?

How many sikhs do you see with some vedic gemstone gold rings on which were obviously prescribed by some pandit ?

WAKE UP AND STOP KICKING THE INNOCENT LOOK AT YOUR FELLOW PUNJABIS FIRST !!!

Could he have done it without the use of Yoga? Could he have done it soley with the use of Gurmat?

But you are right, who cares, let them do what they are doing.

Do you think that Shaheed Sant Jarnail Singh Binderanwale and the Singhs around him were proper Amritdharis than the white sikhs?

See where I am going with this? apperances can be decieving.

check out this guys profile. Brilliant person and a devout Amritdhari.

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You are not certainly not picking up what I am trying to tell. Collapse of the world economy is certainly doom and it eventually will happen. This bailing out stuff is part of the game for collapse but is not really what it is all about. It is about war, world war which is a trend which you can see what led to ww2. There are many financial trend forecasters and economists which tell about the tough future. For instance, one such expert is Gerald Celente (you must have heard of him).

Find out what he has to say about the next four years.

Here is a recent clip of Celente:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJMoMPtM58s

If you do not agree with him, its your choice but first do check his track record for the past 30 year predictions.

He is always spot on including Obama's re-election prediction. Another good economist is Jim Rogers.

And of course ww3 has to something to do with Khalsa Raj.

I know who he is and Jim Rogers too.

What you are failing to grasp is that this financial "doom" is all engineered to perfection. These people unlike ourselves have a 100 to 200 year outlook on the world. To what end, well I leave that to you research and find out.

All of these "wars" and financial doom are all engineered. Nothing happens "naturally". Even the Arab springs are engineered.

As for Khalsa Raj, I am not against it, but I surely don't agree with what you are saying.

I say again, be open about it, if you are lacing your riddles with the world economy and world war 3, then hey thats your choice.

What has world war three got to do with Khalsa Raj?

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Brilliant, this is what we need, more pakhand.

Absolutely brilliant.

You can only dream with open and closed eyes that it won't happen probably you can see the world progress as it is another century or two? If you do not believe me that hard times are coming take some time and ask a leading economist about the near future and he/she will tell you what I mean in terms of cycles of financial doom and what comes after that. Don't bother about natural disasters.

Financial doom? of money created out of thin air? Bad debt which will be written off very soon?

*EDITED*. Take a lesson from Gurbani and speak openly and stop *EDITED*

So, what does the boom and bust cycle of certain economies have to do with Khalsa Raj? Lets not bother with natural disasters like you said.

Economics is one of my areas of interest as an aspiring trader, so please, lets talk.

Did you know that Warren Buffet, Goldman Sachs, etc had hugh piles of shares in Freddie Mac & Freddie Mae, AIG,General Motors, etc. Why did they have these investments in them? Well they told their friends in Government to bail them out.

Do you actually believe what you see on the news?

Warren Buffet currently is buying up small insurance and mortgage companies and cheap dirt cheap property companies all over america, right now.

Why is he doing this? Because he has friends in high places.

This is a BIG GAME and we are being played.

Economic doom, *EDITED*

Time to close this stupid thread. Sikhsangat should not allow these topics on this site.

This is not a stupid thread. Its an issue which effects alot of Sikhs and this elephant should be bought out in the open.

I would contact Ravinder Singh from Khalsa Aid, inform him and make a donation via the on-line secure donation page.

A guy was recently arrested in india for collecting money and giving it to the families of Dharmi faujis.

Whatever you do, do not advertise it, go there and see their condition, don't make blind donations.

I would personally donate to the Sikhs living in Delhis Widow colony, however they need more than jobs, they need to be taken back into the PANTH as SIkhs. Their kids, sons and daughters need partners for marriage, they need jobs, etc.

Don't just make a donation to feel good, do it so that it has an long term effect.

I think scientific is the wrong way to measure religious concepts. This is where the Kala Afghanis/Missionaries have been stuck. They measure everything from the standards of worldly science. Anywhere that spirituality does not correspond to physical science they take the side of science at the expense of religion/spirituality.

One should look at Amritvela from the spiritual perspective. What are the spiritual benefits. What are the spiritual reasons for Amritvela. That would be a better question.

You are right, however brain wave activity can be measured with scientific methods and it has been proven that meditation, naam simran, etc directly affects the brain, this change can be measured.

Like I said in my above post, I would like to test some of our own "Brahm Gyanis", it would be interesting to see what happens. However I doubt that ANY of the known brahmgyanis would take part.

HS Phoolka is a good Sikh stuck with very bad people who don't care for him or his cause for justice

It will be a political suicide for any government at the center if they try to give rope to any of our bahadur Singh.

How about giving noose to butcher like kishore lal ? Total biased country.

I am very mixed with the concept of capital punishment because on one hand we should not be the one to decide other life (birth/death) but at the same time, Guru Gobind Singh Jee put masand in huge pan because those masands did the same thing to someone.

Political suicide, what are you on????

Here is a scenario for you. India hangs babber khalsa Terrorists.

Khalsa Raj will not happen anytime soon. I would say, give or take a couple hundred years, or maybe never. We as Sikhs have a long way to go before we can create our own country.

Balwant Singh cannot be executed until Jagtar Singhj Hawaras case has been completed, that is what the President said in his reply to the clemenct appeal (i.e. stay on execution). What is more dangerous is Professor Bhullars situation. His clemency appeal had been turned down, so my understanding is that he could be executed anytime

I believe they will execute him either next year or on 30years of bluestar operation, along with bhai balwant singh.

SHAME ON US for not looking after our own.

Ajmal Kasab, the sacrificial goat. There's more to this that meets the eye.

Next will be Bhai Balwant Singh, he will be hanged, this I am certain of, hope I am wrong.

Can you provide the whole narrative minus sukh nidhan drinking please. I am putting it on a fb page which I run and this break in posting really is irking me.

According to him Guru Gobind Singh Ji came to him in disguise of a Sikh. Stayed the night at his place and left in the morning. They left a bag. When opened the bag contained sources regarding maharaj's life. He (Kavi Ji) had finished Nanak Prakash Granth and Suraj Prakash. He only needed confirmation on a few aspects of Guru Gobind Singh Ji's earthly sojourn. The material in the bag provided it.

I just don't buy that story I'm afraid. I have not read Suraj Granth, however I will do in the near future, only to understand what is written, who wrote it and why.

We must not take literature at face value. Sikhi has had and still has a turbulant history, most of our accounts are written by non-sikhs and even then some of them are biased, etc..

What I don't get is, how could Kalgidhar Mahabali Siri SatGuru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaaj come to him when he wasn't on this earth in his physical form, he left us in 1708 and Bhai Santok Singh wasn't even born until 1787.

I think he was educated by the Nirmala order.

http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru_Gobind_Singh

http://www.<banned site filter activated>/writers/KaviSantokhSg/KaviSantokh/SantokhSingh.htm

This is a excerpt from the above link

The greatest work of Kavi Ji is the Suraj Parkash or Gur Partap Suraj, which is a complete history of the ten Gurus. An interesting event occurred when he had finished writing about the nine Gurus. He was unable to proceed further regarding the tenth Guru. Even after considerable research some of the anecdotes and stories of the tenth Guru could not be confirmed. Eventually Kavi Ji went into a deep meditation and prayed to the Guru for divine help. This divine help came in the form of a Sikh, who came to visit him and stayed at his residence. The next morning the Sikh was not found anywhere but a bag was left behind, which when opened contained all the material required by Kavi Ji for the completion of the Granth. Kavi Ji was very much overcome by this miracle, as he writes, "Bhayo Achanak Sanchey Ayi, Sarab Guran ko jas samudai." Kavi Ji was sure that this was a boon from Guru Gobind Singh Himself, to help him complete this gigantic task.

And I want to add.. In the last year I repeat my class, and had many troubles with my punjabi parents... Because they think if you repeat you are dumb or stupid ... But I am not... I am /was a very good student... and all my 'friends' and teachers say this as well.. but because of unforutante reasons with the school itself I just had to repeat... and from this time on I started not going to school or to absence from school... My dr. gave me certificate that I am ill and this I showed my teachers. I didin´t tell my parents that I dont went to school... I just said that subjects where cannceled... And they believe me... Because I am/was a good boy...

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