Nirvair S Khalsa

Someone may want to record it and upload to You Tube etc.

ADMIn

Please could you reinstate the original thread is there any reason whay that has been cloed off and please put it as a sticky as it is very important.

The original topic is now a sticky for the reference of the Sangat (of course, if it was all in one place then it would be ideal as well), but this method will work as Admin have.

It would be good if the Admin could keep this as a seperate topic for the next 12 hours due to the short notice, and then merge it with the main "Part 2" topic later. Thanks!

Waheguru Tera Bhana Meetha Laage

Admin.. only just wondering jio, not an attack but why was the

original main thread closed which was at

http://www.sikhsanga...1/page__st__156

if you do have to lock it then i suggest if it is made a sticky then sangat would at least become aware of it

That's a very good and sensible idea.

Dear Admin,

A polite request if you could kindly keep the original thread open as well, in addition to this one, or merge both? Alternatively, it may be an idea if you keep the original one closed but as a "sticky" in the General Section until an appropriate time when it is no longer needed. This will help Sikhs to follow all details of what has been happening in Panjab. If you are going to action this idea, please put a link to that "Part 1" thread in the first post of this thread, and a link to this "Part 2" thread in the last post of that original "Part 1" thread. This will be invaluable for future searches on the forum.

Many thanks in advance!

Yeah agree with inder singh, dunno about india but uk gold-medal wale, southall dal khalsa of manmohan singh only good for issuing statements and eating samose, while doing nindhia of Guru Gobind Singh ji's Dasam Granth, even though they 'oppose' RSS but dont understand they are supporting them by opposing Sri Dasam Granth Sahib, lol.

No more courting of these snakes in the lap of panth.Time is coming to expose them in public.

By the way who is kashmir singh? is he associated with BSSF?

Inder Singh Jee, you may perhaps be referring to (possibly General Secretary) Kashmir Singh of BSF, i.e. British Sikh Federation (different to the Sikh Federation UK).

Any one has a picture of DSP Sukhdev Singh ?

Sikhs are trying to do this (shouldn't be too difficult), as well as compile a list of all main officers involved in this pre-planned attack.

How many police were injured or killed?

Why is it always Singhs being killed? Kirpans and guns must be for more then just show. How many Sikh Gunmen/bodyguards were with the sikh leaders during the protesters? If Sikh gunmen were present and 5/6 singhs have been killed with no enemy in return then those guns need to be taken off them and given to people who have the knackers to use them, when needed.

3 police wale injured. The DSP who shot Shaheed Bhai Darshan Singh got attacked by a Singh with a kirpan.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa

Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

The DSP was chased by Bhai Bittu with a Kirpaan.

Was that Bhai Daljit Singh Bittu?

Unfortunately Bhai Daljit Singh Ji Bittu remains in jail due to the Badal Government. The Bhai Bittu dhaas referred to earlier was the Singh who drives for Sant Baba Ranjit Singh Jee Dhadrianwale. He chased DSP Sukhdev "Singh" with a Kirpaan after Shaheed Bhai Darshan Singh Jee fell. He can also be seen wearing an orange Dastaar and blue Gatra in some of the photos, dripping with blood, and also in the new video released where the Police beat him to a critical condition (remains in the same condition at the moment in hospital and is said to be suffering from severe internal injuries).

Yes,unity is the need of the hour.

At the moment let us unite,particularly those in Punjab,to make today's 7 December,2009 (it is beyond 12 am here in Punjab) Punjab bandh total.So that badal get's a clear message from the panth.

It is indeed encouraging to note that yesterday ie 6 December,2009 a number of "badal supporters" burnt effigies of badal and ashutosh all over Punjab.So it seems we are moving towards Panthic unity slowly but surely.

That is an encouraging post and the type of thinking we need in these times, to set aside differences and support all who are true to the Panthic cause.

Those who manage to successfully engage their local MP are requested to email info@SikhFederation.com and post information in this topic.

Before leaving Gurdwara Parmeshar Dwar Saahib, all Singh's, including Shaheed Bhai Darshan Singh Jee, were reading Bani from Sree Dasam Granth Saahib Jee. This was done while travelling to Ludhiana as well, including Jaap of Vaheguru Simran on the way (a core practise questioned by missionary's and anti-Panthic organisations). It was the same thing that happened with Shaheed Bhai Kamaljit Singh Jee in 2007. Only those who do not question Sri Dasam Granth Saahib Jee and believe and read it as Dhan Sree Guru Gobind Singh Saahib Jee's Bani are able to give Shaheediya. The past and present is the proof of this. This Bani has so much power, that is why it is being questioned and doubted by anti-Panthic forces in order to weaken the strong spirit of the Khalsa.

How many police were injured or killed?

Why is it always Singhs being killed? Kirpans and guns must be for more then just show. How many Sikh Gunmen/bodyguards were with the sikh leaders during the protesters? If Sikh gunmen were present and 5/6 singhs have been killed with no enemy in return then those guns need to be taken off them and given to people who have the knackers to use them, when needed.

3 police wale injured. The DSP who shot Shaheed Bhai Darshan Singh got attacked by a Singh with a kirpan.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa

Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

The DSP was chased by Bhai Bittu with a Kirpaan.

If we could possibly be in much contact with our MPs in regards to many issues, but again they need to be finally channeled through a voice rather than MPs tending to say we get mix signals from the Sikh community. If an active org took on an issue which naujawans could get together to compile a report (i.e. Racist attacks from wider community) or a report to Scotland Yard in re: Other community orgs targetting Sikh women and vunerable males as a mission, this could be done through surviellence and again compiled as report to be presented. Assisting Sikh VCOs (Voluntary community orgs) to shape and assit them in funding to get our youth of Streets/Gangs (i.e instead of the Ideas of others orgs how to tackle gang violence we can shape our own youth)Bringing the issue of Sikhs in Pakistan being targetted to MPs doors...

These are just the top off my head...

I have no belief in credentials of Dal khalsa. That is my assessment about them on core sikh issues. Keep them out.

I would just like to say the need to stop attacking our own people and work for the common good. Bhai Kanwarpal Singh Bittu of Dal Khalsa International has been at Ludhiana since yesterday and Dal Khalsa Has taken a pro-active role in many aspects. Jathedar Bhai Gajinder Singh has been underground for over 27YEARS!

BSSF members have been in constant contact with Members of Sikh Student Federation (Gazi) Dal Khalsa (India) and SADA PP (Bhai Sandeep Singh Canadian) and has been pressing on all UK based organisations to to come together and take some practical steps too support Sikhs in Punjab.

Can you tell us role of Kamwarpal Bittu in ragi affairs? Can you tell us sponsor of Ragi visit to germany last year. We all know Ragi's agenda is to propagate against dasam pita;s bani. What type of dal khalsa is it that disowns its father' bani.

How can they be helpful when one of agenda item is Ragi darshanu. Satnam paonta has used very abusive language for Dasam pita's bani.

There are also rumours about certain connections with this incident and the fact that heretic Ragi Darshan was due to be dealt with at Akaal Thakat on the same day...(?)...

The most serious issue sikhs need to confront is issue of Kala afghanis and Darshan gang bent upon distorting sikh scriptures and traditions.

They started with Dasam granth and have come to question SGGS ji.

Some of the organizations named above are bed fellows of these anti sikh elements. How can one think ofociating with such people even.

The aim should not be on quantity but quality. The issue is religious and not political. I can reveal traitorous role dal khalsa has played with sikhs

on Ragi and kala afghna issues.

Time has come not bed with them but expose and distance them.

You are spot on. Everything is connected, it is an attack on the Sikh religion from all angles. Many puppets are at play at the same time, but those pulling the strings from above are one. Then there are those misguided Sikhs blindly following these puppets. In these times we need quality Sikh organisations to work together, there is no need for quantity.

If we could possibly be in much contact with our MPs in regards to many issues, but again they need to be finally channeled through a voice rather than MPs tending to say we get mix signals from the Sikh community. If an active org took on an issue which naujawans could get together to compile a report (i.e. Racist attacks from wider community) or a report to Scotland Yard in re: Other community orgs targetting Sikh women and vunerable males as a mission, this could be done through surviellence and again compiled as report to be presented. Assisting Sikh VCOs (Voluntary community orgs) to shape and assit them in funding to get our youth of Streets/Gangs (i.e instead of the Ideas of others orgs how to tackle gang violence we can shape our own youth)Bringing the issue of Sikhs in Pakistan being targetted to MPs doors...

These are just the top off my head...

I have no belief in credentials of Dal khalsa. That is my assessment about them on core sikh issues. Keep them out.

I would just like to reiterate the need to stop attacking our own people and work for the common good. Bhai Kanwarpal Singh Bittu of Dal Khalsa International has been at Ludhiana since yesterday and Dal Khalsa Has taken a pro-active role in many aspects. Jathedar Bhai Gajinder Singh has been underground for over 27YEARS!

BSSF members have been in constant contact with Members of Sikh Student Federation (Gazi) Dal Khalsa (India) and SADA PP (Bhai Sandeep Singh Canadian) and has been pressing on all UK based organisations to to come together and take some practical steps too support Sikhs in Punjab.

Can you tell us role of Kamwarpal Bittu in ragi affairs? Can you tell us sponsor of Ragi visit to germany last year. We all know Ragi's agenda is to propagate against dasam pita;s bani. What type of dal khalsa is it that disowns its father' bani.

How can they be helpful when one of agenda item is Ragi darshanu. Satnam paonta has used very abusive language for Dasam pita's bani.

There are also rumours about certain "high-command" connections with this incident and the fact that heretic Ragi Darshan was due to be dealt with at Akaal Thakat on the same day...(?)...

The latest is that the likes of the Government controlled SGPC and the corrupt Prakash Singh Badal Government are now trying to "please" the (many poor) families of the victims by offering financial help in an attempt to get greater influence over the families than the Sikhs and Panthic personalities. Panthic Sikh groups must unite and be careful with who they can and cannot trust in these times. There is more danger from our internal organisations that the obvious external threats.

The latest is that the likes of the Government controlled SGPC and the corrupt Prakash Singh Badal Government are now trying to "please" the (many poor) families of the victims by offering financial help in an attempt to get greater influence over the families than the Sikhs and Panthic personalities. Panthic Sikh groups must unite and be careful with who they can and cannot trust in these times. There is more danger from our internal organisations that the obvious external threats.

Is there a way we can help his family financially. We can contribute a little bit and it will provide some relief.

Can sikhsangat organize this. Let us haev views of sangat.

The latest is that the likes of the Government controlled SGPC and the corrupt Prakash Singh Badal Government are now trying to "please" the (many poor) families of the victims by offering financial help in an attempt to get greater influence over the families than the Sikhs and Panthic personalities. Panthic Sikh groups must unite and be careful with who they can and cannot trust in these times. There is more danger from our internal organisations that the obvious external threats. There may be further information coming through about your question soon.

As Sant Baba Ranjit Singh Jee said on the Sikh Channel yesterday, the elder Singh who took the bullet when it was fired at Sant Dhadrianwale is still in critical condition and may not survive. Another Singh is recovering but still in hospital. There are still at least eleven in hospital with severe injuries even though hundreds have been injured.

Is that the fairytale you are spinning now to stop Dhadrian being labelled a coward? So Shaheed Bhai Darshan Singh Ji was shot as he protected Dhadrian and then Dhadrian fled leaving Bhai Sahibs body with no one to comfort him in his dying moments? Can't see Dhadrian in any of the photos of Shaheed Bhai Sahib.

Nirvair, Stop spreading b/s and admit your so called leaders in Dhumma and co showed they are true cowards.B/s di vi koi hadh hundi ya and you are passing this threshold.

jalandhar , you stop indulging in anti sikh propaganda.Your credentials are recognised as your aim is visible on all such threads.Shame on you for using this tragedy for propaganda.

Jalandhar Singh Jee, Dhaas kindly requests you to please not twist the facts during these tragic times. In regards to your post, to clarify, please note:

1) Bhai Darshan Singh of Gurdwara Parmeshar Dwar Saahib gave Shaheedi in the first Jatha of youth that was there. The DSP directly fired at Bhai Saahib towards their head, making them Shaheed.

2) The elder Singh to whom Dhaas refers to above (known as "Bapu Jee" in the Jatha) was the one who took the first bullet that was aimed at Sant Dhadrianwale and is in critical condition along with Bhai Bikramjt Singh and two others.

3) A further seven with severe injuries are still in hospital.

4) Hundreds of others were injured.

This is not time for personal attacks on those who you do not agree with but are doing their best in these times when others are no where to be seen. Dhaas cannot comment on any one else or any other Jatha, organisation, leader...etc mentioned in your posts.

Badal has left no doubt for Sikhs and closed his mind to the Sikh cause. Sikhs of Panjab now need to understand this.

PLEASE, Lets stop arguing over nothing. We need to get together.

Forget organisations, Damdami Taksal Singhs are injured, Missionary Singhs are Injured, Amritdahri's are injured, Clean shaves are injured, women are injured, we are being attacked as a nation and we need to defend ourselves as a nation.

We will be talking to senior members of Sikh Federation UK, Dal Khalsa UK, Sikh Students Federation, BOSS, Sikh Council UK, UK Gurdwaras and others to form a flatform to donate money to shaheed parivars in this current morcha.

It is vital that this is done in a open and transparent manner, but it has to be done and information will be released soon. All donations will be made available online for viewing.

Please note that missionary's like Kala Afghana, Ragi Darshan, Inder Ghagga, Singh Sabha Canada, Dilgeer...etc can NEVER be Sikhs, nor do they care about such situations. They are happy as they are part of the same umbrella organisations who have planned all of this. As many have mentioned on this forum and on the Sikh Channel, please also request those organisations who wanted to give gold medals and awards to anti-Panthic singers to please not waste any further money, but to give to the family of the Singh who has given his life for the Khalsa Panth and to, instead, support those who are in the forefront risking their lives. Dhaas agrees that all SIKHS and PANTHIC SIKH ORGANISATIONS must unite.

Darshan Singh (58) minutes before he succumbed to bullet injuries received during police firing in Ludhiana on Saturday. Tribune photos: Himanshu Mahajan

Many people on the Sikh Channel are requesting where are those who are against Sant Dhadrianwale now? Where are those calling the likes of Babbu Mann "Kaum Da Heera" and wanted to give him a gold medal, but were not in support of those Parchaaraks like Sant Dhadrianwale who are in the forefront now risking their lives?