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So we should break our religion by going after girls and trying to date them to piss off Pakis? What a petty and mundane life.

how are we breaking our religion? and its not petty i respect anyone who does it. Its better than those apneh or are at the pub all day complaining bout pakis dis pakis dat. Why dont u go out, get fit, dress good and meet girls who will respect u. Lets face it a lot of apniya are disguisted by sikh men, some arent and I give props to those sisters.

So you think some Sikh guys dating Pak girls makes Pak blokes grooming Sikh girls okay now?

its not ok but before sikh boys didnt used to get them. But now boys are starting to be bit clever realising sharabi making urself a fool isnt gona get u them girls. Sikh boys starting to grow some balls and show these paki girls how to be treated properly.. I also think sikh boys are fed up of the way sikh girls act and realising theres better girls out there

U wont stop ahmed or ali grooming sikh girls but u can make sure his face goes red when u walk past him with his cousin hijabi

U may not like what I say but its the truth.

Before Paks would be blatant about it, in your face, I think they are proper undercover with it now.

If anyone hasn't seen the above video yet...what the heck!!

Watch it NOW as a priority.

It's also useful to watch this afterwards too to get a community perspective on it:

dw things have also changed for us - sikh boys also dating paki girls now its ok.

If this is about Ram Rahim then it's more than him just dressing up like Guru Sahib, rather he's made his own Amrit which is pink and him giving it to his disciples starting with 7 people, (this is very similar to what Gurbachana did). This issue is also not about him wearing a Kalgi at the moment, rather it's about his disciples causing an invasion at a Gurdwara and making Guru Sahib a Shaheed.

its not to do with him but asking in general if people wanted to copy maharajs dastar

u guys crak me up, good comedy but remember we are all 1 lets not bicker too much

I am a bit confused about something.

I know there been controversy around people trying to dress like guru gobind singh ji and I can fully understand this. However arent people who do this just trying to look up to their father? I mean like muslims want to replicate mohammed, what is wrong in trying to follow footsteps of our gurus?

I also see some pictures of guru gobind singh ji dastar and compare them to the actual dastar worn by guruji (located at a gudwara somewhere in punjab) and they are quite different. Ofcourse this is an artists impression, and shouldnt be thought of as 100%

Anyway my main question is why cant we try to dress like guruji and also wear the dastar how he wore it (from the pictures). It seems the dastars and puggs today are slightly different to what they were then? But again I think these pictures are a bit misleading non the less.

Sorry if i've offended in anyway but just wanted some clarity on this.

You see people don't like to be forced into something. When you see other faiths or religions on the streets or knocking at your door, some have their main aim to convert only. So people get this 'image', that they are being pressured to convert. And the Gurus opposed against forceful manipulative conversion, if it can be understood what I mean. A person should be able to experience Sikhi themselves and then decide to convert, by their own freedom of will, rather than convert like a 'parrot'.

That's why he said 'we are not here to convert but to make people aware of meditating Gods name'. And says "if one wants to convert to Sikhi they are welcome to". This being a pressure free, unforceful statement.

So you see it's a bit like the chocolate scenario again. There's no point in buying the chocolates and saying they are very tasty and better, when one hasn't even tasted them. Listen to the truth bits again, he corrects what the man is implying.

That quote comes to mind again, 'You can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink' .

thank u for clearing this up, makes sense now waheguru.

Yes he did a good job of the fast replies to the fast questions. Very well prepared with knowledge. That man tried so much to belittle Jagraj Singh and Sikhi, but in the end he walked away himself lol.

only thing i dont get is he keeps saying its not about converting, but then at the same time he says sikhi has the most truth... This confuses me a little as wouldnt the world be better with more sikhs?

Your grandpa sounds like one of those peasant bum lickers.

And I was in the heart of all that skin head ish growing up in East London. They were English through and through (undercover fags often as well). We broke them in my ends. Some are still around, humbled and cowed down.

You and your ilk can eff off, with your white masters. I'll be where I want, when I want and say what I feel like - especially to any white c**t and his he-b1tch like you.

brother i here ur anger but lets not go down to their level and abuse their race... there are plenty of good goreh as well who respect sikhs

i dont think the followers hate, theyve just been misguided their vunerable, maybe gudwara didnt treat them right, theres ample reasons.

tommy robinson aj kal chup hoiya ya. I thought he was always on about us before, hes not said nothing about whats happened on his twiiter account.

where were all the apniya and apneh that work in corporate central london

I'd add that Jagmeet also showed nonSikhs in the UK that we aren't all meek, compliant sheep to the mainstream either. One of my nonSikh teacher friends rang me earlier to talk about it. lol

It's truly mad, mainstream are obsessed with controlling Sikh marriage practices but don't give a toss about Sikhs getting murdered.

Bunch of hypocrite, control freak tossers.

At least we have all learned now: if who want your voice heard through them, you have to force it through.

Jagmeet showed that we can get our voice out despite the racist agenda and attempted suppression of mainstream media.

no one will change our faith. british tried it but they will never win :)

finally she has been exposed for what she is. I respect a lot of hindu punjabis but this a twisted one. She isnt a 'sikh' counciller they need to get their facts right. With her she needs to get her head examined cos she just speaks like a cow. I could see from her talking in many interviews her face is dsiguisted her language used is not friendly at all, u can tel shes got a hump on her.

that guy at the end SNM, he wants sex in heaven, wine and honey.

The wait is over, more to come WG

I hear about this Pathan being descended from Greek malarkey before.

A lot of these Bactrian-Greek kingdoms were in North Afghanistan, Kyber is Afghan - Pakistan border.

Shah Rukh Khan is an ethnic Pathan, does not look Greek to me.

I think there is another reason.

true but im just wondering whether theres ethnic peshawari sikhs from there who are prehaps muslim converts or maybe hindu or buddhist from gurus times.

would the other reason be to do with british?

Aroras are not ethnic pathan.

brother i agree but there are some sikhs in the kyber pakthwan area who are native pathans and sikhs. I dont know if this is true but i believe so as they are very different complextian from us and arent punjabi indian at all.

above example could get away with being greeks

back to debate, why was it aired? why are punjabi people still bringing up this non issue. its plain and simple if ur a sikh and u want to marry a non sikh why are u getting ur partner to do an anand karaj when they wont be taking on any of the vows of guruji. it just dosent make sense and this wont stop. I would actually love to see some white and black sikhs amritdhari or mona, but lets face it these people are marryng their partners, its nothing to do with taking on sikhism right? I heard sunny hundal wants to allow gay marriages in the gudwara next, i mean it just wont stop. i think we are being fair, sikhs and non sikhs can have blessing and registry in the gudwara, why do they insist on the anand karaj. is it cos they dont want to feel left out from their friends?

Sorry about the rant but its just beginning to p** me off now.

Say for an example I wanted to marry a christain polish girl, I wouldnt go through with anand karaj as i wouldnt want to mock it... Ok it would hurt but I know that im not really following the faith as my kids will have mixed identiites. and going against guru gobind singh ji. but problem is people dont care about guru gobind singh jis hukams ask sunny hundal he thinks its all fake and its just gurbani we should follow. muslims also follow mohammed footsteps so why cant we follow our gurus? However if the polish girl converts or takes on the guru than atleast it wil make it easier. The faiths being diluted and its really beginning to annoy me after watching the morning show and listening to that punjabi girl with her husband dave. she was annoyed the granthi refused her marriage. Yes the granthi was wrong he should have said registery and blessing but I still think she would be peed of. the guy just thought sikhs were prejudice which isnt the case at all. I just wont get people. yes its an important ceremony as part of our faith but if ur marrying out I dont really think your actually following the faith as its integral that u marry in. Ok u may drink cut hair etc but atleast follow ur parents wishes and gurus words of marrying in and sikhs should all strive to take amrit otherwise life is pointless right? It doesent matter whether white brown or black sikhs. Rant over.

Because they came from India and moved to Afghanistan and kept that system with them.

what about the pathan sikhs the ones with green eyes and brown hair?

Collaborate with the 1 nation india cacks its kacchi over.....china.

explain this one pls paaji

I have been looking at twitter etc and i see more pakistanis supporting khalistan than apneh. What is the reason for this? Is there an agenda here?

Wouldnt khalistan include lahore and nanakana, im confused about this....

Well said. That muslim journalist woman who was on the show is highly protective of Islam just read her articles online she is a fundamentalist moslem. And your right she did admit in her religion her mum told her to find a nice muslim boy and that is what she was trying to do. Why didnt the women guests pick up on her about that islamic agenda of only marring a muslim? She then goes on that now she in her 30s she would be happy just to find anyone, but here she is showing signs of al-taqiyaa (deciect) because she still will only be allowed to marry a muslim under islamic law so legally her marriage wotn be recognised if she chose a non-muslim partner who didnt convert.

Muslims are very media savy because they had years of hostility (rightly so) cos their faith is so hostile to non-muslims but they have learnt how to be sly, promote islam by propaganda and play the media game to come across different to non-muslims to what they really think when they around fellow muslims.

The Sikhs in generally are still living in village mentality thinking everyone will understand our point of view cos we tend do to so much good in society and we dont need to play the game. But that is wrong the atheists, hindu indian nationalists and the abrahmic cultists will try to bash their non-adherant opposition at any oppertunity they can get as we saw in todays show.

cos theyre only objective on that show was to show tht sikhs can marry who they want and our religion will die. They didnt care about religion, didnt u see what people were tweeting into the studio? all stuff about love before religion :s

why was the musilmani girl sayings its ok for her to marry a non muslim now , as its hard to find a partner. I thought she woulda backed jagmeet up. As for the presenter she was rude she should have said respected how passionate he was. Plus she didnt let him finish his point about the anand karaj. U can kiss sikhi in the Uk bye as that did not help at all.

Also what about anita kapoor, shes not even sikh. Why is she so hostile why doesnt she refer to guruji properli. Im geting so angry day by day on how we are being treated.