Khalistanisinghni

WJKK WJKF,

thought we could appreciate some work from our brothers/sisters.

this is the first writer, the name of the writer is unknown and some beautiful work below! 

(Should we start a series for the purpose?)

Will post then!

Just now, jkvlondon said:

guess it fits into media and lifestyle 

2 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

bhen ji 

what was the subject matter of your post?

Wanted to share a few young writers' work, but was not sure if the place to 

On 3/15/2017 at 11:43 PM, Khalistanisinghni said:

There are a few writers/poets/poetess on the internet, including harman kaur, fiverriverflow, jusmun. (Instagram mainly)

While I agree with you, they claim to be promoting sikhi in their own way. Speaking up for Khalistan/Punjab? (Though I personally don't look up to them)

30 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

it was the number that were initiated  on that day according to more than one retelling I read including mughal spy account who became Ajmer Singh , I'm sure the ikatt was bigger but I didn't want to put down something I couldn't be sure of .

Bhenji, found some beautiful katha on jeevani of Mata sahib Kaur ji by giani thakur singh ji on gurmatveechar.com, do have a look!

7 minutes ago, chatanga said:

 

Have just  had a look at those comments. the usual rubbish. She has said much worse about Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth Sahib. Each and every opportunity she gets, she is in there doing nindya. And for someone who can't even read basic gurmukhi, she tries to set herself up as some bastion of knowledge on Gurmat.

Nindaks of Maharaj ji's bani and trying to act so smart as to use every opportunity to go against what mahapurkhs say. The bibis are too indulged in this whole idea of equality and sikh panth is therefore lacking great women to look up to. 

19 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

it was the number that were initiated  on that day according to more than one retelling I read including mughal spy account who became Ajmer Singh , I'm sure the ikatt was bigger but I didn't want to put down something I couldn't be sure of .

Guess i have to work on readings and katha 

6 minutes ago, chatanga said:

Yes you lose all those. Because you are a stupid person you will beleive it.

 

 

And on it goes. We are no talking about physical sarop. You have dragged that into it. We are talking about gender.

You won't get away with your nonsense here.

 

 

 

Other religions do not see us that way. It's really deceitful of you to try and play that card. You talk about Sri Guru Granth Sahib a lot, but yet haven't accepted the core principle of honesty.

 

As I told yo on Sikhawareness, once you do, your life will become a lot better.

 

She is the same person commenting on this video as well ...

9 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

bro ,itihassic records say that the crowds at Anandpur were over 35,000 and Dal historians say there were not many women present , would it not be harsh to condemn women on the basis that they were not 5 out 35,000 ? They are not any less Children of Guru Pita ji and often in our history been the sole carers and makers of mahaan gursikhs  e.g. Bhai Taru Singh ji 

bros may consider being less condemning and more encouraging of your lost sisters ...return the favour 

There were over 80,000 Sikhs. Not sure where did you get the 35K.

6 hours ago, HarkiranKaur said:

So using your logic then no white singh can be one of Panj Pyaras, nor someone not of the same castes or from same area or same heights/ weight etc. Because the physical saroop has to be replicated 100% right? 

But guaranteed you will jump just to gender. Please explain to us why none of the other things matter but gender does? Please also tell us what is meant by sargun saroop. Are the five males we choose looking exactly like the original 5? Should we try to clone in science? If you think having a male genetalia is what sargun saroop means then you don't know anything at all. 

To be in his roop means to don the uniform he gave us including turban. It means to wear our good deeds and practice our Rehet with strict accordance. It means to be a living image of our Guru and set aside ego haume identity and find the light of Akal Purakh in all. It has nothing to do with having a male anatomy dangling down there. 

Try reading Gurbani sometime. GGSJ tells us that Akal Purakh IS the male and the female. It tells us INSTRUCTS us to see ALL equally. It says to base on our deeds and not our physical body. It says every human has the SAME capacity for spiritual advancement without hinderance.

Without realizing maybe, you have turned women into only being valued as a breeding machine and not valued in our own right. Are we only valued for being able to produce male children who can become the leaders in sikhi? Women were never supposed to be leaders or prominent? Just breeding machines here to serve men??? That's how other religions see us. Not how our Guru sees us!!!! 

TBH, your language just proves the brothers correct. What about go ask guru ji? I dare not say what Sant giani jarnail singh ji said was untrue and you are "smarter". So good day.

WJKK WJKF

22 minutes ago, chatanga said:

 

But it is though. A woman takes her husband's palla to follow him around Guru Granth Sahib. She is following in the footsteps he has already trodden.

But your husband is all about equality. tell him when there is a next family wedding, to get the male to hold the females palla and follow her around the lavan, because it's not about leading is it? Wonder why you were silent about it on your own wedding day?

That was a whole lot to digest. But glad to see someone who actually has some real knowledge 

28 minutes ago, Mahakaal96 said:

10 gurus all men
15 bhagats with bani in SGGS all men 
5 pyare all men 
 

Femenist & their supporters get over it & accept it instead of trying to alter sikhi to suit your own manmat ideas. 

Those asking for 'proof' from Guru Granth Sahib Ji that women can't be in punj pyare, can you give me proof from Guru Granth Sahib Ji that supports Kirpan, kanga, kara, kachera & kes maryada?? 

Khalsa maryada comes from Dasam Granth, Sarbloh Granth & rehitname

Idiots ain't got a clue what the Khalsa is... the Khalsa is an ARMY.. not a social club.

 

WAHEGURU. ♥️

15 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

so did you have kirpan di amrit then bhen ji because that is dal's purataan maryada?

What about taksal's maryada? 

Puratan maryada of dal is still khande da amrit since scholars from the dals stand by women who take khande da amrit. (The absence of any amrit for women in the beginning and the the development of kirpan da amrit just show that pita ji forgot about for the women and they had to add it when they realised there was "mistake" I.e. Amritdhari singhs couldn't eat the food cooked by their non-amritdhari women)

Harkiran kaur bhenji,

SGPC maryada is not the panthic maryada. It has not been accepted. I rather follow the maryada from taksal/dals that can be dated back to the times guru sahib. They don't show women as inferior, they just accept as he plays, they are filled with sant/mahapurkh when SGPC is filled with, nvrm.

1 minute ago, jkvlondon said:

bro ,itihassic records say that the crowds at Anandpur were over 35,000 and Dal historians say there were not many women present , would it not be harsh to condemn women on the basis that they were not 5 out 35,000 ? They are not any less Children of Guru Pita ji and often in our history been the sole carers and makers of mahaan gursikhs  e.g. Bhai Taru Singh ji 

bros may consider being less condemning and more encouraging of your lost sisters ...return the favour 

Why is it when in the hukam of akal purkh, the five who stood up happened to be male, ready to become Singhs and khalsa. So if the panth was allowed, they would let female children represent the chaar sahibzaade in the name of equality. 

To whom shall are you showing this side of equality, what are you/anyone trying to prove by having the bibis in between the singhs. I just fail to see equality here but just manmat

4 hours ago, HarkiranKaur said:

If you have such Love for the Guru then respect your only and eternal Guru, Guru Granth Sahib ji. Gurbani says as Gurmukh to see ALL with a single eye of equality (which means treat equally) for in each and every heart the divine light is contained. That divine light is the ONE and only light of Akal Purakh. By dismissing bibis with a statement like that to say an outsider Singh is still better than such a lowly Kaur, you are actually refusing Akal Purakh in female form to do this seva! Gurbani says he IS the male AND the female. The chess player and the board, it's the same ONE actor who is playing ALL the characters. This world is an illusion. A dream. Gender is transient and inconsequential. A <banned word filter activated> won't get you anywhere when this life is done. 

For your information yes I have taken Amrit at a historical Gurdwara in Kashmir. And the Panj Pyaras that day specifically told us Kaur's present that day they WANT to see some of us in their place some day and that there is NOTHING in Gurbani that prohibits it. Gurbani sees all humans as equal. It's male ego who can't let go of privilege. 

There is a saying that for those who have been always given privilege, equality seems like oppression to them. That's why men who have had it so good for so long feel so threatened to give Kaurs their due right to equality. 

Preparing amrit does not require male anatomy. It requires high avastha which both males and females can attain and it requires strict Rehet and physical ability to carry out the ceremony. The light of the Guru is genderless. Guru Ji will come if any five Sikhs with high avastha are preparing Amrit. Learn to see past the physical shell and see the divine light instead. 

So did pita ji ask for a Sikh's head, not that of a man or woman. But then there is something called surgun saroop, the panj pyare who stood up became the surgun saroop and now the male are used SIMPLY TO represent that surgun saroop, they obviously come from mothers with avasta. So there, this is the sewa a woman can do, give birth to great gursikh pyare by being a gursikh themselves. Also, I wonder why no sikh woman ever thought of having to mess with this part of sikhi, if I am not wrong, I have seen a woman commenting under a video of sant jarnail singh ji khalsa bhindranwale with the same name and logic, and tbh one of the reasons for this post. 

Read the history, read some books.

(I don't even know what the masands have to do here)

There are many like her in Canada/Australia/The US/UK. With parents being gursikh and the daughters/sons quite so to the other side. Perhaps it's the fame they get or the attention 

3 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

This is vapid mentality we have to counter 

 

Why would you ever have this video up on YouTube. 

Oh then it's not gurmat maryada, it's manmat maryada. Forget about it, was never a maryada approved by the panth, do read the disclaimer next time!

clearly not able to see why is it that women have so many other sewas at gurdwara but would love to participate in panj Pyare. Had they really believed the Khalsa to not have any gender, they would have know that the gurus, sahibzaade and pyares were physically male for a reason while spiritually same as us women.

2 hours ago, HarkiranKaur said:

 

Is this the maryada from SGPC

1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

You'd be surprised at how little most Sikhs know about the individuals you've listed above aside from the very basics. I'd start with them before turning my attention to the day-to-day localised individuals. Give people a wider religious context of the women that stood shoulder to shoulder with the notable male figures of the panth.

Mata gujar kaur ji stood by Guru tegh bahadhur maharaj ji when they were doing bhagti and did it together. (One of many examples)

Basically,

if we bring women back to Sikhi- the original version 

the Singhs will improve to marry these women in Chardikala,

chardikala wale bhujangis/bhujangans will be born from these chardikala wale couple,

and khalsa raj. (Except that it is not an easy job and will only be successful when it appeals to him, so perhaps what we can do for now is read more bani and do ardaas benti)

26 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

It's a  really depressing scene out there , where our younger sisters and daughters are surrounded by toxic thoughts patterns of western amorality and atheism . It's the constant elevation of the body and maya above the character and sewa -simran which is the main problem. frankly it turns my stomach when they use SJW 3rd wave feminist justifications for the lack of self-respect , the dressing like a sex object then getting offended if they are called out on their lewd behaviour.

The only way I can see a bridge being created to an enlightened generation of singnian is forming a core of strong , knowledgeable singhnian who can answer all and any questions on dharam and hold constant cycles of classes/clubs parchaar lehars  just like at the start of sikhi. The Guru Sahiban knew that Sikhi has to start where the people are at , close to home and there has to be women leading sangat just as much as the guys.

as they say it takes iron to cut iron maybe a better online presence with A New Woman friendly website with:

 proper detailed gurmat gian especially ethics and rehit ,

psychological analysis of the sikh female psyche and how it relates back to the modern world( how 3rd wave feminism is actually the lower standard of freedom/egalatrian) ,

Links to reading lists, sites with english katha ,

highlighting  itihassic females with detailed sakhian perhaps like the ones in Kulbir SIngh's book ,

Modern profiles of  international Singhni,

international news relating to sikh projects manned/started by bibian .

Kirtan vidiya vids for free (especially tanti saaz)  ,

maybe a project to  gather living history , accounts of those bibian who suffered through partition, 1984 .

Fund -drives to support widows of farmer suicide, abandoned females,

Sikh anti -daaj lehar linked with anti-female foeticide lehar.  

Question and answer service 

counselling help for abuse victims

refuting or correcting misrepresentation/misinterpretation of issues by other sites 

 

Loved the solutions, will take time but should be quite effective unless women will again ignore the help they are being offered from their own sisters and look for it in the hands of their liberal friends.

9 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

I say the following with the utmost sincerity, but if Gursikh bibis are serious about setting an example from a Gurmat perspective minus any of the frankly incompatible influences of modern liberalism, they'll have to stand apart from the men. You can't even be seen to be standing in their shadow, or encourage the idea that some unseen male hands are pulling the strings. I've noticed that's a tactic certain whites use to undermine female Muslim adherents, by stating they've been brainwashed by the overwhelming "maleness" of their religion; basically they're acting out of obligation and fear instead of genuine conviction. Equally, don't get caught up in the sisterhood aspect of it all that you begin to alienate Sikh brothers. It's a fine line to tread, just like Sikhi, and it won't be easy. Your loyalty should be to the non-partisan ideals of Sikhi, not women, men, or any other group. Sacrifices will need to be made on many fronts: personal, social, professional, etc, but if you and like-minded bibis are serious, i don't see why good cannot come of this.

I personally doubt don't know if the women need help or are constantly ignoring the help they already can get/are getting