LegalSingh

I read the news report about this the other day in the Bradfor Argus & Telegraph. The Sikh spokesperson from the Gurdwara gave the reporters a list of reasons why it shouldn't be allowed and among those 'reasons' was the apparent 'fact' that "cows are holy to Sikhs and the meat plant could include the smell of beef wafting in the air" :stupidme:

It's not only the illegals who are desperate to get out.

Just curious HSD, what and who is stopping you from going then?

With free movement in the EU you have full rights to move this evening to beautiful Bavaria.....sunny Barcelona.....sweltering Madrid or charming Copenhagen. Why are you still here if its so bad ?

Manjit's dad the jathedar was assassinated later by sikhs because the jathedar smuggled a gold brick in his jhora, he was caught in airport security

One would imagine that the above golden nugget piece of information would have sparked a wave of discussion here and around the world.

Instead, rather surpisingly, everyone here seems to be ignoring it hoping it will go away if its ignored long enough, pretending that it just ain't there. People are reading it....and then blatantly writing their message as if it doesn't exist.

Well...it does exist and it is relevant. It says "Manjit's dad.... the jathedar smuggled a gold brick in his jhora........he was caught in airport security"

:omg:

Sikhs showed him full support during his career, because it seemed like to the public he represented an ideal, keshdhari hardworking Sikh.

Those who familiar with the Baba harnek Coventry set-up will all know the truth.

He grew up under teaching of Nananksar Mahapursh and was very much Sikhi inclined.

Then the Bhangra Baba Harnek Grewal took over.

Harneck was monty's "guru".. he calls Harnek grewal "maharaaj"

This baba is a osho follower, drink driver, womaniser, married a girl 1/4 his age.

Monty was asked to wear a turban by "United Sikhs" in 2008 to support their turban campaign in France - Monty refused- saying that his PA (hindu) has advised him not to wear turban anymore, only patka- because it will help him in merchandising and creating a "monty brand" (they were selling monty patka/beard merchandise to cricket fans

in the hands of a alchi/pervy baba and a hindu fanantic PA, Monty changed- he lost all Sikhi values- he done a love marriage to a gold digger, which ended badly.

he became a sponser of "sewa international" the UK arm of india's RSS. (http://sewasandesh.blogspot.co.uk/2008_10_01_archive.html)

now hes a lost divorced piss head.. just like his baba..

Now that ^ is what I call an informative post. :respect:

Well done to you sir.

Seriously? You think Gorey don't know the difference between a Dastar and a Bandana (well for us Patka)? Most have studied R.E so should know the difference. If not then maybe we need to educate them. HAHAHA

Uh ? :wow:

I saiid he's one of the most famous dastar wearing Sikhs on the planet. How did "goreh", "pakis" and "confusion" come into the conversation ? :stupidme:

Seriously, we all know he wears a patka for professional sports (every other professional sikh sportsman does to) but are you suggesting that he no matter where he goes he only dresses like its an international test match ? Are you suggesting that even if he wants to go and buy a pint of milk from Tesco he wears his shorts and uniform and does muscle warm-up exercises before he goes ?

I'm so glad he does not wear a dastar

uh ? Isn't he one of the most famous dastar wearing Sikhs on the planet ? (in the eyes of non-sikhs) I mean if you were to ask the average Australian, Englishman, New Zealander or South African to name one turban wearing Sikh it will be Monty Panesar.

I'm so glad he does not wear a dastar and does not in public at least use and therefore tarnish the 'Singh' name. Obviously I'm not condoning his shenanigans but at least there is some damage limitation. What I found amusing was the name of the club. When my son was a little younger my wife would ask him if he wanted to go for a shooshoo... :D

Wherease befkoofs like that Hardip Kohli fella who got done for acting inappropriately and sexual harassment in 2009 brings Dastar wearing Singhs a bad name. He's also the same budhoo that questioned Mota Singh QC in a Telegraph article a year later about why he spoke out for the right of a 14 year old to wear his kirpan in school. :devil:

Uh ? But isn't he one of the most famous dastar wearing sikhs on the planet ? (among non-sikhs). I mean if you were to ask the avarage Australian, Englishman, New Zealander or South African to name one dastar wearing sikh it will be monty Panesar.

Abu legal muhammads burning in hell right now

Err...no. If you really want an update as to where Legal Singh is 'right now', I can tell you that I've just finished my paratha and will now leave for work. Although there is some truth to what you say in that I shall have to also get on the Northern Line so will experience something close to hell.

He is right, and he knows it so well because he has already confessed that his own ancestors landed in the UK on a fake Pakistani passport back in the late 40s, right after they cut open pregnant Muslim women and tore apart their unborn babies during the 1947 killings in Punjab. Abu Legal, you have indeed descended from those illegal "Sikh" immigrants. What I find extremely shameful is massacring Muslims and then using a fake Pakistani passport to go to the land of the same British who you very recently won your freedom from. I guess shamelessness is also hereditary, because after so much humiliation on this forum, even a dog wouldn't return to bark. But our dear friend Abu Legal has a tradition to maintain.

Practically all jatt Sikhs that arrived here in the late 40's and early 5o's arrived on false Pakistani passports. The reason for this is because your beloved Hindustan bowed to pressure from London in 1948 by deliberately moving the passport office from Delhi to Bombay in order to make it extermely difficult for Sikhs from Punjab to get passports. Thus, with wide open borders at that time, 99% of the early Sikhs in the UK, simply went the 100 miles north and secured passports there. So....its not just my family. The same is true for virtualy all of the pioneers in cities across the UK. Learn your history. Respect your elders by sitting and talking to them. Learn from them. Spend more time doing that and less time doing India's dirty work for them by distracting talk from the real issue of Sikh human right abuses and concentrating on irrational anti-Pakistani hate instead.

What kind of a fool doesn't know grooming and sex with a minor isn't classified under rape.

Think before you write. Sit down....have fingers ready at the keyboard....but before you type think!!

Ask yourself questions such as 'are 16 year olds classified as mnors in the UK?'.........'Could I really be the only knowdledgable one and the Police, Prosecutors, Courts and Judges all wrong and fools for not classifying it as a rape?'. Ask yourself these questions....then type.

I brought up on another thread the mass muslim illegal immigrants in uk and all he could says is that Sikhs make up most of the illegals in the UK !!!

The more you repeat lies my friend they do not become any truer. You know as well as I do in that thread I countered your bigoted anti-muslim rhetoric by reminding you that most illegal immigrants here in London are people like our own Sikh brethren, South Americans - especialy Brazilians, and white Australians and New Zealanders who have overstayed their work visa. Your lies come hand in glove with your bigotry my brother. Its a slippery slope.

legal blatantly is a muslim I say admins keep an eye on his account for the malicious lies he will spread.

There is just one thing I am 'blatant' about and that is the fact that I will never do India's dirty work for them. I will never do what the hindu sarkar wants us to do i.e forget about the atrocities it has and is continuing to inflict on us and divert our attention towards anti-Pakistani bigotry instead. It doesn't take a genious to see how the voices here trying to shut me up mostly emanate from those who are proud 'Indians'. People here are not silly my friend. They know your agenda and they know mine. Mine, is plain and clear. To free my people from the yoke of Indian slavery. To get justice for the atrocities India has committed. So...as I stated before, it'll be a sad day when you can scare a Sikh into silence by threatening to label him a muslim. So call me muslim all you want. Convince yourself its true. It will not make it any truer. I am comfortable enough with my points of reasoning not to resort to name-calling and abuse.

The thing that gets me about the programmes both on Sikh Channel and Sangat TV is that they have words 'D-Live' prominent on the screen, a tactic brought in from India. I couldn't understand this at first because I thought surely all these feeds from marches etc can't be live. It turns out the 'D' stands for delayed. So in other words it isn't live. In other words the programme isn't live....its pre-recorded, just like normal tv programming is. So why the need for a big 'D-Live' on the screen ?

Anyway, my guess is that the sikh channels are losing viewers because of Virgin's big push. Way too many of our households have switched to virgin and only then finding out too late that the sikh channels are not available through them. I suggest Sikh Channel execs make it a priority to meet with virgin and get this sorted before there's nobody left to turn the lights out.

LegalSingh i agree that some members on this forum have an unhealthy obsession with muslims bordering on the insane but your extreme on the other end of the spectrum defending them just because you had good expierences with muslims growing up i guarentee that if all your good expirences with muslims were replaced with bad ones you would be badmouthing them every chance you got you have to start looking at the bigger picture after reading throught that mughal darbar thread im having my doubts as to wheather ur even a sikh or not no sikh would ever do something as disgusting as calling a 16 year old victom of rape a ho and subtly defending the rapists and peodophiles by using the victoms horrible childhood as an excuse

See this is the danger with the power of suggestion. One man ignores the facts of what was done and what I said and falsely suggests I'm defending the criminals and the next thing you know everyone else develops the same inability to read and simply latches on to the falsehoods. This is not what I'm about....I'm about facts.

Fact # 1: I had constantly stated from the very first message how the men in question were "evil and vile".

Fact # 2: Nowhere....absolutely nowhere...has any 'rape' been mentioned. The men were not charged with any rape offence and the girl has not alleged any rape, but 99% of the comments here, including yours, are about some imaginary 'rape'. ?

Fact # 3: Their charge was paying sex with someone under the age of 18. In this country paying for sex with a prostitute over 18 is not a crime but paying for sex with a prostitute under 18 is.

Fact # 4: The girl's own words from the transcripts of the trial= first had consensual sex for money, with two people her own age, in early November.......................She then met Iacub, at a Diwali festival and made it “obvious” to him she was charging for sex..............................However, she told the police it was her own idea to sell her body................“I guess it’s my own fault because I got myself into it.”

Fact # 5: The girl's own testimony was that when she met the men for the very first time she made it clear to them that she was a prostitute and so there would be a charge for the sex she was offering.

Now. I have been the subject to alot of abuse from people here for simply stating facts. It is clear that these insults constantly thrown at me here stem from the fact that very few of you here have actually bothered to read the news story. One man says I'm a muslim and the rest follow blindly. Call me whatever you want. Its a sorry day when a Sikh is scared off from facts in the fear of being labelled a muslim.

This is needed clean up the country. Most of London is a 3 rd world sess pitt.

Horrible Somilians and too many Muslims, this would halt the Isalmfication of the uk.

theres a differance between asylum seekers and illegal immigrants, illegals have to go

Hammertime, whether or not you like Somalians is irrelevent in this conversation as most, if not all, of them are documented. When it comes to 'illegals' in London it is mostly our Sikh brethren, South Americans especially Brazilians,Christian Africans and.........white Australians and New Zealanders who have overstayed their work visa. Now, lets leave the australians and new zealanders out of the discussion because we both know the border agency never ever bother raiding those types of 'illegals'. Because you see, according to our govt (border agency) there are good illegals and there are bad illegals. Good illegals have blonde hair and white skin.

However, ignoring their obvious racism, there is up to a million undocumented illegal immigrants walking among us here in this one city of London. They are good for the economy. They work hard and they don't take away jobs meant for us. They complement the established skilled and educated labour market. Its because of them that so many of our services we require are more competitively priced. They do us far more good than bad.

This is interesting because I very recently had a wonderful discussion with a friend about something similar. We sought to understand why, in Gurbani, the crane bird is mentioned so many times. Quite literaly hundreds of times and far more than any other animal. I thought long and hard about this and understood that guru ji was so so knowledgable about things. We have so much to amass before we can even begin to appreciate. I felt it was a very subtle and clever reminder to us Sikhs about what the turk oppresor really believed in.

Satanic Verses. Since Salman Rushdies book we've all accepted it as being called satanic verses and don't think otherwise. But satanic verses is actually a fairly new word for the thing in question. It was only at the beginning of the 20th centure that those words started being used to describe it. The 'it' in question is actually correctly called the 'story of the cranes'. The 'crane' god was at the time of muhammed the most popular pagan god in mecca. It is known that muhammed's original teachings and original koran had a full chapter on the crane gods and how muhammed believed they were real gods that all muslims should worship. It was only several hundreds years after mohammed's death that the crane references were removed from the koran by the mullahs and maulvis, and ever since then those that mention them are threatened with death.

Our Gurus knew though. They knew everything.

So that is where you learnt your tricks from? Not only are you a sick rapist-lover, you're extremely and terribly bad at disguising yourself.

Uh??? :wow:

Who are you and what's wrong with you ?

The 'Christian' menace is surely a greater menace to us than the Muslim. Whilst the muslim one comes in the form of individuals with a zeal, but little resources, to convert others, the Christian one is extremely organised and far reaching. Just to give you an example, there is a course that is run in a few Canadian Universities, especially Trinity Western University, specifically teaching its students how they should go about converting Sikhs to Christianity. Universities teaching a degree in how to convert sikhs !!!! :wow: Think about that for a moment.

I've had a look at the study modules for the course and it is truly frightening. Far far more frightening than what one lone muslim man in the high street can preach.

The modules state how the student will learn how to go inside the Gurdwara, be inquisitive and friendly with the Sikhs and generally give the impression that they are genuinely interested in Sikhism. The course modules actually state how the student must learn not to give the game away too early. It teaches how it is important to first gain the trust of the Sikh community and then, after trust has been gained, slowly start making statements about Jesus etc. Truly truly frightening.

Her parents threatened to throw her out when she was likely 15, their relationship broke down. She had no support structure. How could she feel facing that?

And you think there's a Punjabi family out there that wouldn't threaten to throw out of the house a daughter that was stoned out her head all day, drunk every day and prostituting herself ?

She tried but couldn't get a job. It's hard enough for university graduates with actual qualifications, nevermind a child.

Its hard for EVERYONE to get a job. But everyone else doesn't see prostitution as a solution to their money problems.

She couldn't get any help from social services.

She didn't need social services. She wasn't being sexualy, physicaly or mentaly abused at home. Her parents were simply telling her to stop drinking, taking drugs and prostituting herself. All she needed to do was stop.

She was self-harming and suffered depression

If not those, what symptoms were you expecting to occur from serious drug and alcohol abuse ?

Prostituting herself and saving money so she could leave home was the ONLY option this girl thought she had. Do you HONESTLY think she sold herself for 20 freaking quid (almost nothing) at a time for FUN? With these disgusting sullahs? Would ANY female find the idea of even looking at these losers remotely FUN?

And I suppose stopping drinking and taking drugs wasn't an option at all then ? :stupidme:

Read the trial transcript bruvs. She herself says she'd been prostituting herself, drinking heavily and taking drugs since well before meeting what you call the '<banned word filter activated>'.

The girl was FREAKING 16. Do you have any idea how powerless someone is at that age? How was she meant to survive in this day and age?

Everybody in the entire world was 16 at some point. How many of them drink alcohol and take drugs ? Were you expecting good things to happen as a result of the drug and alcohol abuse ?

Second... How about you blame the stupid parents that threatened to throw their CHILD out on the street, let it get so bad and started this problem in the first place?

Lets assume you don't think they should have 'honour killed' her what exactly do you expect parents to do to a daughter that is abusing drugs and alcohol and prostituting herself and refusing to stop? Did you expect them to throw her a massive party to celebrate ?

AND THEN SURE... You can blame the girl for stupidly walking into this ridiculous mess. Desperate people do desperate things, do you honestly think she knew how far this would go?

Desperate for money ? What she had a majboori of bringing up small children and providing food for them did she ? She had a mortgage hanging over her head with the threat of repossession did she ? She urgently needed money for a life saving operation did she ?#

No. She needed money because responsible parents were telling her to stop taking driugs and alcohol and she didn't want to stop. If you think thats desperate you seriously need to reconsider your definition of desperate.

Christianity is no different than Islam in this regard. But Christianity has a plus point in Jesus. If one compared the life if Jesus to that of Prophet Mohammad, there is a world of difference. Jesus was a saintly man even by our standards while Prophet Mohammad would have been considered a criminal due to his activities in the area of pedophilia, looting, torture, killing of prisoners of war, raping of captive women etc etc. Christians are a misguided bunch who have given Jesus a very bad name, but Muslims like OBL, Aurangzeb have lived up to the name of their Prophet.

You do realise, don't you Johnny, that the stories you are attributing to Jesus are actually stories about Mithras ?

Basically, the Jewish sect of the Nazarenes took all of the legends behind Mithras....such as virgin birth, star in the sky, 3 wise men, crucified and then rising again 3 days later, and falsely attributed them to jesus instead.

Its a long story and I can't be bothered to explain , However, the good news, is that an ancient Mithras temple has been unearthed in London. The London Mithraeum really is something worth seeing.

Legal, recently your posts make you seem like you're just posting for no reason.

Every single one of my recent posts has been in reply to what others have directed towards me. I'm capable of retorting so I do. As it bugs you so much shoudn't you be telling your friends here to stop asking me questions ? I'd appreciate it if you would because I'm tired of having to answer all the time.

First off you're not even from Canada,

We have lived in Canada and then left Canada. My pooah lives in Canada. My thaya lives in Canada. My chacha lives in Canada. My mother in law, brother in law, sister in law and my wife's entire extended family live in Canada. We visit all the time and I live in England. Who, if not me, has qualified things to say on the matter ?

secondly you don't sound like a Sikh with your recent posts.

:wow:

Well there's a shock to the system . I'm intrigued. I'd really like to know. What do I sound like ? A Mongolian goat herder ? A Norwegian fisherman ? A Patagonian cowboy ?

Please explain to me since when has the 'sound of a sikh' been to espouse bigoted scaremongering views about muslims and islam ?

Islam is based on fear. They say If you don't convert, you'll go to hellfire, if you leave Islam you will be killed (and also go to hellfire). According to them, no matter how good a non Muslim is they will still go to hell and yet a Muslim Jihadi who kills civilian(non combatants) will go to heaven and a practicing Muslim who marries a girl who is just 9 years old will also get heaven. Yet they see flaws in other religions, what an irony.

And thats exactly my point but you were not clever enough to understand where I was leading you.

99% of those religious preachers you will encounter up and down our land each and every week are Christians.....mostly african christians. These Christians give out literature that clearly say you (as a non-christian) will be skinned alive and burned in the fires of hell for all eternity unless you discard sikhism and become a christian.

Surely 99% of your threads here should be about them then ?

See, this is the problem

suddenly the "precious vulnerable eldery" can look after themselves

maybe theyre not about to run and convert to islam, but do they need to be bothered every day when they are goin about there business? are you happy with your parents or grandparents being bothered with this <banned word filter activated> every time they go to the shops?

Hang on a minute. A few weeks ago there was a thread here, with a video, praising the efforts of the wonderful chardi kala singh who preaches in the street, stopping non-sikh passers by and explaining Sikhism to them. How come he was 'lovely' but the muslim man in the photo above is 'evil' ?

There's is a missionary faith. So is Christianity. They and dem christians have a religious duty to try and tell others about their faith. Let them get on with it. Its not harming you or I and if a Sikh is weak enough to leave the most beautiful faith in the world because of a leaflet a random geezer in the street shows him we're probably better off without him. We're a community about quality not quantity. This really really child-like phobia of all things islamic is really not becoming of a sikh.

Stop scaremongering Hammertime. And stop listing irrational scares as 'facts'. None of the things you mentioned above are 'facts'....they are just things you have convinced your mind are true. I've said it a hundred times before and I'll say it again...the rest of us UK Sikhs are sick of the irrational anti-Muslim hate that emanates from the midlands. Your problem with muslims is a local problem to you guys in Birmingham and the rest of the north. Don't try and suck us London and southern Sikhs into it. We have absolutely no problem with any msulim down here. We get on fine. The only people we have a problem with is our enemies : The Indian machine.

Speaking of the truth: how many stories do you hear about Sikh girls being raped in Canada by Muslim gangs?

Care to tell us about a case where a sikh girl has been raped in the UK by Muslim gangs ? You make it sound like you have a thousand examples at hand. Care to share just the one because I've been in existence in the Uk for 29 years now and I can't think of one single example of such a 'rape'. Or perhaps your definition of rape is slightly different to the standard dictionary definition ?

Because unlike you Sikhs in UK, we got pride and beat down anyone who dare to mess with us. It doesn't matter if you're mona, keshdhari or Amritdhari; we got each other's back and consider each other as Sikhs

Hang on a minute...are you not the country that is famous for the brutal way that Sikhs have been shooting other Sikhs ? Sikhs executing other sikhs ?

The media....the police reports....the statistics etc suggest you Canadian Sikhs kill each other at a rate which is 5000% higher than any other Sikh diaspora. So when you talk about "having each others backs" is it some kind of sick joke about having bullets in each other's backs ?

unlike UK where there's extremist going on in Sikh community which is pushing "apne" away from Sikhi.

Care to elaborate on that ?

disgraceful failure of authorities to protect this child!!!!!!

She was 16 !!!

At that age she could leave education....get a full time job....get married and have kids.

It takes a community to raise a child. We Sikhs are a community. It is a disgraceful failure of the uk midlands Sikh community to keep turning out girls like this. These kind of things keep happening alot, and they always seem to stem from the midlands and the north and I have no doubt it is the drinking / pub culture of their fathers and brothers that is the cause.

Vote UKIP, no UKIP is not the Sikh's saviour but it sends a message to the three main parties enough is enough.

If you're gonna vot UKIP why bother voting at all.

If you're determined to waste your vote why not cut out the middle man and flush your ballot paper straight down the toilet ?

Sikhs don't live in a vacuum Jeevan. We live in the real world. We love our children too you know. We want the best future for them. Things like Education, Health, Trade etc mean as much to us as the next man. We don't waste our votes on bigots like ukip.

Read the title of the thread. Clicked on it expecting to find a story of some evil young muslim men kicking and punching elderly sikh men.

Turns out to be a thread about a nice young man and a lovely old man having a chat about religion. :stupidme: