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for anyone that does not see the post is by "singhnee" and then at the end it says daas kulbir singh:P

ahaha i dun got the answers this is just wut ive been told as i grew up:) maybe anyone is allowed but i guess the seva of making degh at a samagam is alwayz given to an amritdhari by luck maybe????

cuz degh should be made by amritdharis just like someone doing bhogh of langar and degh must be amritdhari

as long as they are not making degh i think its ok

i beleive you are all....now what is the word.....ummmm oh ya.... Ga....no i can't say that in public..... :umm:

And you call my arguments stupid? A five year old girl? I doubt she'd even know what an amrithdhari means. If she wants to do kirtan, by all means go ahead, but for a while it's the parents responsibility to push her towards becoming an amrithdhari as everyone's parents have to. 86611[/snapback] OK , now i have a question u stated above that she doesn't know wut an amritdhari is right???? ok so what if a 25 year old person just gets into sikhi and they don't know wut being amritdhari is???? then its okay for them to do keertan right???? because that is what u are implying :nihungsmile: but i guess ull have some smart reply to that like o they are over a certain age limit and my foots rehitnama says that if ur over this age limit then u automatically know wut being amritdhari is :TH: :nihungsmile: o by the way does ANYONE here really know what being amritdhari really is?????

These are diffrent times. Those rules don't apply now. Back then, people were motivated just by being in the close proximity of a true sikh, and true sikhs were common in guru ji's time. Now everyone shys away from it, not keeping rehat, doing stupid stuff and trying to justify it, and listening to bhangra and bollywood, holding it more important over kirtan and stuff. How many times have you seen someone that has a khanda on and yet doesn't have the five k's? how many times do you see someone that has cut hair and still call's themselves a sikh? As a sikh, you are required to keep your hair. It's in EVERYONE's maryada. And yet, people keep on talking about, it doesn't matter who's singing it as long as their singing gurbani. How can one sing gurbani, and then go against it later on? It's contradictory, hypocritical, and setting a bad example for the youth of tommorrow. 86255[/snapback] ok, well i don't fully agree with you saying that those rules don't apply now, but thats your opinion and you are entitled to it. But there are those people who dont listen to bhangra and bollywood music/videos, but they just can't keep from cutting their hair. Are we supposed to push them away ??? no....if we let them do those sevas they are more likely to become closer to sikhi....its not like we are gonna let some drunk go and do keertan....although in the future if that drunk straightens up enough i don't see why not.. but gettin back to what i was saying.. by letting these people do keertan seva they will eventually take amrit and are more likely to take amrit than if they sit back at the back of darbar hall and have no part in the keertan. AND there is much evidence of this as most youth who were not amritdhari are now almost ALL amritdhari. It works...and i AGREE that there should be limits... but these limits should not be that monas can't do keertan if they are moving closer and closer to sikhi saroop i hope you realize where i'm coming from and take a minute to thing about all the positive things that come out of this

I think that the reason you seem to be bitter is because I asked a question about the Dodras. I just simply asked the question because you mentioned them as another group that does not do Naam Drir in your argument against Naam Drir, when on the other hand, I have heard some really whacky stuff about the Dodras from people. To tell you the truth, I have nothing against Dodras... I just asked a question and you seemed to get offended for no reason. Until two years ago, I didn't even know about any group called the Dodras. So there is no need to get offended. Take it easy.... 86161[/snapback] well actually he said that sadh sangat(dodra) does have naam drirh ... so maybe ur the one that needs reading glasses. :TH:

It is my personal opinion and to me it is a factual. And no Naam Drir does not only mean Saas Graas, it means much much more than that. And having a debate on this topic on this forum is not enough. Only actually getting it can one experience it. Talk is cheap. VJKK VJKF 85959[/snapback] ok sooo whatever you beleive as fact everyone else should also beleive as fact?? NO! if its ur opinion don't pass it off as a fact, its YOUR opinion. ALLLSOO... in one of your previous posts you said that people should take amrit again if the did not receive naam dhrir. But i ask the question are you not only supposed to take amrit again(pesh) if you have commited one of the four kurehits????? So how can u take amrit again? unless ur saying go commit a kurehit and then take amrit from akj so u can get naam dhrir just some stuff im wondering about

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no, they don't have the COMPLETE translation. specifically I was looking for VAAR 29. They dont' have the translation for that. If somoene could help?

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