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Vaheguru ji ka khalsa Vaheguru ji ki Fateh I am utterly blown away, shocked and greatly hurt by this particular thread discussing the Agan Bhet sewa that will be taking place in Toronto this June. TO DasamSarblohGranth" : Your approach to this matter is quiet unprofessional and to my understanding very disgraceful and extremely disrespectful for so many reasons. In reading the topic discussed in this thread, particularly the manner in which you have posted your view, the lack of knowledge and understanding of this sewa is quiet clear. First of all, I would like to say that if you truly have a concern with this issue and wish to take action, hiding behind a username on a discussion board is definitely not a smart move. I am sorry to say however, the manner in which you have "CHALLENGED THE SANGAT TO STAND UP", is very discouraging. As a matter of fact, if you were a true believer in what you have said, then you would not need to hide behind a computer, copy and paste information from different sites, analyze and critique it according to your own knowledge and then try to convince people that your right. Rather, you would contact sewadaars directly and go the extra step to research valid and supporting information that actually "MAKES SENSE". and just maybe by doing so you will come to understand that you have been greatly mistaken. I have read through your entire post and I was utterly shocked at the terms you have used ("pakhand","sensible people", "pathetic traits" etc") , the biased manner of your approach, the reasoning for your views and most of all YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. Please do not misguide the sangat with such falsified information that is only and ONLY BIAS. IT IS A HUMBLE REQUEST TO YOU, TO PLEASE FULLY EDUCATE YOURSELF BEFORE POSTING And maybe I should define what I mean by educating yourself. Educating yourself does not simply mean you sit on a computer, read articles, watch a video or just talk to other people about it. Educating yourself means experiencing reality by being a part of the sewa, seeing it for yourself, and finally asking questions to those that conduct it when in doubt. Then, I would consider your words as valuable and worth my time to read and "ponder" upon. You have obviously not done any of that and therefore for you to sit back behind a username and a computer and create a outrage about a topic you have absolutely no knowledge about, is what I would call "insensibility". With Guru Jee's blessings, I have been attending these sewas all over India as well as in Canada for the past 9 years. When I first heard of it, I myself had many questions but with Guru Jee's kirpa I have come to know the importance of this sewa. Take a minute to think about how many Sikhs, how many Sikh homes and how many Sikh Gurdwaras are all over the world. Now think about how many Gurdwaras and Sikh homes will have printed gutke sahib, pothis, Shri Guru Granth Sahib Jee's saroops. I would say countless. In addition, think about the mass production of Gurbani literature that contains bani, gurbani CD's, DVD's, VCD's, and rumalle sahib that have bani printed all over them. On a smaller scale just think within our homes, how many calenders and wedding cards have gurbani printed all over them, how many Guru Jee's photos are printed regularly and sold all throughout the world. These are just some articles I have listed that have Gurbani printed on them. Could you take a minute to understand that if all these articles become completely worn out and old, how will every Sikh in every home and Gurdwara be able to take care of every single type of gurbani article with complete respect. If anything, beadbi of Guru Jee's birdh (old) saroops, gutke sahib, pothis etc. will occur. As more and more gutke sahib, Guru Jee's saroops, pothi sahibs are printed, more and more are becoming worn out and old. How can you restore everything? This is why agan bhet sewa is not considered a wrongful sewa. Many are having an issue that we cannot burn our Guru and destroy him. N30SINGH' posted, " guru sahib saroop (who is alive never gets born, die or be old)" in one of their posts. Now if it is agreed upon that Guru Granth Sahib Jee is our Shabad Guru that never dies then how can doing agan bhet of birdh saroops make you think that we are destroying our Guru? Then we are only contradicting ourselves. Our Guru, Shri Guru Granth Sahib Jee has two major dimensions, the internal/spiritual and external/materialistic. Guru Sahib Jee's saroops are manifestations of the Guru. The scriptural form is paper, ink and binding but our Guru is external and immortal. Again, this agan bhet sewa is ONLY done of printed articles (which are copies of the originals). When articles are agan bhet, we only touch into the external/materialistic nature of our Guru only which we are required to simply because all forms of living and nonliving things in the world are materialistic and destructible. We can never destroy the Shabad Guru. Further,I want to make this clear that since the initiation of the printing press which began the printing of Shri Guru Granth Sahib Jee's saroops, gutke sahib, pothis, gurbani literature etc. in masses for the sangat, the sewa sambhaal(care) of all PRINTED articles that have worn out and become old became a huge concern for the panth. As a result, many groups realized that this sort of sewa should be occurring and therefore, many began to agan bhet such gurbani articles. The SGPC also understood the need for this sewa and began their own system in which great beadbi was involved. Bhai Narinder Singh had originally seen the way the SGPC had began this sewa and was greatly hurt by their approach. As a result, he initiated this sewa with the utmost respect and care that became world-wide known and today understood and accepted as the absolute proper way to do this sewa. However, in regards to your post, you have greatly been mistaken in targeting the wrong group of sewadaars which involves Bhai Narinder Singh Jee. There are other groups of individuals that are conducting this sewa however you need to understand a clear distinction between them and the sewa Bhai Narinder Singh Jee conducts. NO other group or sewadaars doing this sewa anywhere else in the world has been approved by the panth as respected and acceptable. The videos and information you have been posting with your argument are all mixed up and confused as they are involving completely different sewadaars. However, your initial argument is targeting the sewa that is going to occur this June in Toronto which is hosted by Bhai Narinder Singh Jee. Again, your statements have no foundation and no leading argument. For someone like yourself such statements may make no sense because you obviously believe that nothing should be agan bhet. Before I jump to any other detail, I am going to make something very clear to you and your supporters. No and I mean NO Handwritten saroops of Shri Guru Granth Sahib Jee, Dasam Granth, Sarbloh Granth, No Handwritten Gutke sahib or Pothis or any other historically significant findings of our panth has or is ever agan bhet under Bhai Narinder Singh Jee in any circumstances. WE HAVE PROOF OF EVERY SAROOP, GUTKE SAHIB, POTHIS ETC. THAT HAS EVER ARRIVED AT THE ISTHAANS IN INDIA WHERE THIS SEWA OCCURS SINCE THE SEWA BEGAN UNDER BHAI SAHIB JEE. WE HAVE PROOF OF EVERY HANDWRITTEN ARTICLE OF GURBANI AS WELL AS ALL OTHER HISTORICAL ITEMS THAT HAVE EVER BEEN SENT TO THE REFERENCE LIBRARY IN AMRITSAR IN THE INTENTION TO HELP REVIVE OUR SIKH HISTORY. To date, according to all our records, 300 handwritten saroops of Shri Guru Granth Sahib Jee, 90 handwritten saroops of Dasam Granth have been sent to the reference library in Amritsar. Bhai Narinder Singh Jee has documented and recorded all this information. How can you make such huge assumptions that Bhai Sahib Jee is involved in destroying historical articles of our panth. With what support do you state this? In preparation, this sewa has been done with great precision and detail with sangat doing darshan or Guru Ji's saroop 3 times and making detailed notes and then, a final decision. Also it should be cleared that many many different type of saroops arrive at the sewa asthaans all through India from Laariwaar saroops to Handwritten saroops, and there has NEVER been a system through which certain types of saroops are agan bhet and a certain type are not. It is a humble request to you to please think twice about posting anything about this topic. If parchar of such falsified information continues, THE SGPC CAN AND WILL TAKE ACTION AGAINST THOSE INDIVIDUALS. I have provided many links below which discuss this sewa in detail. If this thread was truly began to discuss that this sort of sewa should not be occurring within the panth because on personal notes, it is "WRONG", then you will also go the extra step to realize that you have not entirely discovered the truth and just maybe, you will do your research next time before posting biased opinions with no founding evidence or support. If you and your supporters are greatly concerned that our Sikh history is being destroyed then it is requested that you attend the sewa occurring in Toronto this June and speak to Bhai Narinder Singh Jee yourself in person. Vaheguru Ji ka Khalsa Vaheguru ji ki Fateh