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On 11/21/2021 at 6:24 AM, S1ngh said:

Can you ship it overseas?

Fateh ji

Yes I’m sure I can arrange that for you

Still have 1 available 

On 9/13/2021 at 4:49 AM, Khalsa96 said:

How much

Very cheapest I can do is £180. If you went to baldev Singh nihang & son direct this shastar or anything of a similar size will cost you around £300.

i know this is pricey compared to other makers in India but baldev singh shastars are heat treated (heated and hammered) to make the blade stronger and edge sharper. So is of higher quality.

To give you an idea of cost, I bought a small pesh kabz from him a few years ago for £180 (only had a 5 inch blade)

Feel free to have a look at baldev singh nihang shastar Facebook page and contact him for prices.

1 hour ago, shastarSingh said:

The 300 year old sarups mentioned in this thread don't contain the kachi baanis mentioned in ur post.

Besides the point.

In many puratan saroops ragmala comes AFTER the kachi banis I mentioned. To make this crystal clear for you .... the order of compositions in these puratan saroops is: 

mundavni - kachi bani - ragmala 

In these puratan saroops, if ragmala was gurbani surely it would come before the kachi bani (like mundavani) and not after?

ie mundavani - ragmala - kachi bani  

The only consistent finding in every single puratan saroop, is that mundavani is present before ragmala.

Kachi bani mentioned will never come before mundavani. This is because mundavani was guru arjan dev jis seal, so that Guru Granth Sahib Ji can not be corrupted ... no bani can be added or removed before mundavani due to the system of numbering devised by the perfect guru arjan dev ji. 

In some puratan saroops there is no ragmala or it’s clearly been added after mundavani at a later date in a different ink together with other kachi bani. 

I will not discuss further as it’s clear those who are in certain jathabandhis must believe in ragmala as it forms part of their identity / ego.

I merely wish to raise awareness amongst those genuinely seeking the truth to read mundavani by gyiani gurdit singh

I will not be replying further as it’s a pointless exercise. 
 

There are puraatan saroops that  include other compositions AFTER Mundaavni (but BEFORE Raagmala), such as: 

Jit Dar Lakh Mohammada, 

Siahi Di Bhidhi, 

Ratanmala, 

Hakeekatrah mukam, 

Praan Sangli, 

Rab Mukam Ki Sabk, 

Baye Atisb 

Using the same logic, why do you not believe in any of the above compositions? Or do you?

One must always seek the truth. Without love for the truth it will not be found, the ultimate truth is god. 

What is the truth? In court the truth can be proven through evidence, facts, reason and logic. 

As a human we are given the ability to use reason and logic which lead to the truth.

Sikhism is the ultimate truth. For example the logic in Islam lacks logic and reason. I once had the following discussion with a Muslim.

Me - is god fair and just?

Muslim - yes, 100%

Me - are his laws fair and just?

Muslim - yes, absolutely 

Me - please explain to me why, there is a Muslim prince sitting in Saudi Arabia with a very comfortable life, enjoying good health, wealth and wives. Yet on the same planet there are Muslim children being born into war, poverty, famine and disease? 

Muslim - silence.....I cant answer that question. However I believe Islam is the true faith and Muhammad is the true messenger pbuh.

Me - lol, you have contradicted yourself. On one side you claim god is almighty, fair and just. Yet you cannot explain what you see in front of your very eyes.

Muslim - How do you explain it?

Me - God creates the law of karma which applies to all living beings. One reaps that which he sows. In this way beings come and go in a cycle of reincarnation. Since Muslims do not believe in reincarnation you cannot reason with logic. 

Thus, through the truth of reason and logic I highlighted that Islam does not make sense, there is no logic. Muslims will still believe in Islam in ego, despite truthful reason and logic indicating otherwise.

Using the same truthful reason and logic, one can come to a conclusion about ragmala in the same manner. However there are those who will believe otherwise (in ego just like the muslims) regardless of which direction the truth points.

Those of you seeking the truth please read mundavani by gyiani gurdit singh.

Ragmala was written by a poet named Alam (Unlike the rest of gurbani which was composed by a sikh guru or a bhagat) and is part of the story called madhav nal katha.

The story is about a concubine dancing to a court priest. While she dances to music the poet alam states which raags were used (ragmala). 
These raags do not match with raags in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

All the facts and pieces of evidence prove ragmala is not gurbani.

I raise only a few of the points but there are many.

Again please read the book mundavani by gyiani gurdit singh should you wish to know the truth.

Text me on 07450671752

It’s made in Mehta chowk ... higher quality. 
Do you want delivery (£4) or will you collect from Birmingham? 

41 minutes ago, Khalsa96 said:

Is the taksali kirpan still available 

I have a 9.5 inch taksali kirpan made in mehta chowk (higher quality then the average taksali kirtan) if you’re interested ji

£200 ono

On 11/17/2020 at 10:07 AM, ChardikalaUK said:

“What I meant in my original post was if Sikhs give too much importance to Diwali/Bandi Chorr Diwas. Is it really a big important event in Sikh history? There are more significant events in my opinion.

It seems that someone just decided to tie in Bandi Chorr Diwas and Diwali together so that we Sikhs didn't feel left out when the Hindus were celebrating.

It's a bit like how the European Christians replaced their pagan winter solstice festival with Christmas. They felt guilty to celebrate their old pre-Christian festival so decided to give it a different meaning that fit their new religion but the dates do not match”. 
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yes I agree 100%
bandi chor is an excuse to celebrate divali 

we have 10 sikh gurus who took birth on this planet. Do we celebrate every  birthday with the same enthusiasm as we celebrate bandi chor? Answer is NO!

 

 

Bump

I had two of these shastar. One sold, still have one available.

Was the attacker Pakistani or gora?

Lol

Not in UK. Generally, most Keshdharee sikhs / gursikhs are family people here, they are professionals who stay away from violent confrontation. They have comfortable lives. 
I think the moneh who are involved in crime / drugs have more fighting spirit.
 

Even in Punjab, sikhs aren’t what they used to be. Look at the battle of saragarhi in recent history....21 sikhs vs 1000s of afghans. 

Sikh children often get bullied at school. I encourage all parents to send there children to jiu jitsu, boxing or thai boxing (these are most useful / practical in street fights from what I have seen) 

still available 

Open to offers

On 1/20/2020 at 9:53 PM, S1ngh said:

Same as today any writer can write about general majority of Sikhs being non-turbaned, drinking or some smoking. 100 years later we cannot simply believe that they were the actual Sikh. Just like in past there were actual Sikhs who followed guru path and some who were on and off that path with their weakness. Maharaja Ranjit is the perfect example of a Sikh who was not a Sikh in our guru eyes with his lifestyle. 

This 

100% true

2 hours ago, ipledgeblue said:

so when the amrit sanchaar or khaday dee pahul ceremony needs to have a jathebandi stamp, then what does this mean?

It means there are different rehat maryade. It’s ones own choice to choose where to take amrit according to ones own beliefs. 
Many believe it’s ok to eat meat so they choose panj which allow eating of meat etc

i think the question was a little bit silly, maybe made to provoke argument. 
 

im not saying any particular rehat maryada is right or wrong, just that it’s ones own choice to decide where to take it as long as the jathabande is part of the panth and hasn’t been excommunicated by akal takt.

1 hour ago, garch said:

Where are u based?

Might know someone interested.. they will want to see in person before committing.

Fateh ji, 

I’m in Birmingham

In many ways Christmas is like Halloween, a seasonal festival actually started by the pagans. 
Jesus was born in summer apparently.

Not justifying celebrating it, just saying it’s not really a religious festival. I’d say celebrating Diwali is just as bad. Sikhs call it bandhi chor just as an excuse to celebrate Diwali. 
Most sikhs go crazy over bandhi chor, with loads of fireworks but don’t do anything for guru nanak dev jis janam din

Bump

The sources which support your desire to use drugs and eat meat are corrupted. Throughout the years people have wanted to corrupt, twist and change sikhi for various reasons.

Some are motivated by the wish to create division in the sikh panth or to bring Sikhism under the umbrella of Hinduism. Others are motivated by the need to justify personal desires such as use of meat and drugs.

Such sources are clouded by doubt.

There is one source however which as sikhs we must not doubt....our guru...Siri Guru Granth Sahib who says - 

ਕਬੀਰ ਭਾਂਗ ਮਾਛੁਲੀ ਸੁਰਾ ਪਾਨਿ ਜੋ ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਾਨੀ ਖਾਂਹਿ ॥
Kabeer, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine.

ਤੀਰਥ ਬਰਤ ਨੇਮ ਕੀਏ ਤੇ ਸਭੈ ਰਸਾਤਲਿ ਜਾਂਹਿ ॥੨੩੩॥
- no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. ||233||

SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI - 1377 
SALOK KABEER JEE BHAGAT KABEER JI

7 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

I honestly believe that the context of shaheeds of the past taking sukha is something we can't really grasp today because we've been thoroughly brainwashed with outside culture notions of these practices. Most significantly is the concept of 'drug classification' on what would have been perceived as a naturally occuring potential medical plant by people growing up native to the plant. 

So you are already transposing outsider frameworks on the practices. (Ones introduced by the brits no doubt). What is ironic is that the west is increasingly recognising the outright failure of their ('war on drugs') approach towards the use of these substances and are slowly but surely adopting a line more akin to ancient Indic practice, where criminalising the substances never occurred, and society self-regulated their use.

Regarding the pangti from Bhagat Kabir above.  That, I believe, refers to the ritualistic use of those substances in certain Hindu pilgrimages sites/religious practices that were common. It rightly condemns these as futile for the sought after mukti.

Example of ritual fish.

 

Why don't people post the full shabad of Bhagat Kabir Ji! We should be wary of just posting pangtis because they may not reflect the complete shabad and only give us a partial understanding. The context of these pangtis is VERY IMPORTANT. It's not like certain rehatnamas with short explicit instructions, a deeper meaning is implied in Gurbani usually. 

It’s quite apparent you will deny the truth even when it’s in black and white right in front of your eyes. 

The passage quoted by kabeer is a salok, that’s its beginning, middle and end. A very simple passage of gurbani from maharaj. Whoever consumes cannabis, fish, wine  goes to hell. If you don’t accept what guruji says and are intent on twisting gurbani to suite your own beliefs, then there is no point discussing further. 

People reading this thread can make up their own mind. 

1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

Yeah, I know. And we all know what you do crave........lol

He-sausages. lmao

I don't like it. I just recognise the potential health benefits. Plus you can go to Canada and large parts of America and get it legally. 

 

 

And for the rest of you giddarhs. One of those sukha imbibing warriors of the past, who stood up, and fought against unimaginable odds, and perserverved is worth at least 10 million of you and your mothers. None of us are worthy of even the dust on their shoes. 

If you're going to sl@g off those types of Singhs, you're going to have to do ninya of shaheeds like Mehtab Singh, Sukha Singh and Baba Gurbaksh Singh. Shame on you. 

Did you not see the previous posts? This is what Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji says to everyone who uses bhang, including any of those ‘shaheeds’ you have named. No one is above guruji , no one is exempt from the hukam of guru ji. This is the hukam of guruji - 

ਕਬੀਰ ਭਾਂਗ ਮਾਛੁਲੀ ਸੁਰਾ ਪਾਨਿ ਜੋ ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਾਨੀ ਖਾਂਹਿ ॥

ਹੇ ਕਬੀਰ! ਜੇ ਲੋਕ ‘ਭਗਤਨ ਸੇਤੀ ਗੋਸਟੇ’ ਕਰ ਕੇ ਤੀਰਥ-ਜਾਤ੍ਰਾ ਵਰਤ-ਨੇਮ ਆਦਿਕ ਭੀ ਕਰਦੇ ਹਨ ਤੇ ਉਹ ਸ਼ਰਾਬੀ ਲੋਕ ਭੰਗ ਮੱਛੀ ਭੀ ਖਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ ,

 
Kabeer, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine

ਤੀਰਥ ਬਰਤ ਨੇਮ ਕੀਏ ਤੇ ਸਭੈ ਰਸਾਤਲਿ ਜਾਂਹਿ ॥੨੩੩॥

 ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦੇ ਉਹ ਤੀਰਥ ਵਰਤ ਆਦਿਕ ਵਾਲੇ ਸਾਰੇ ਕਰਮ ਬਿਲਕੁਲ ਵਿਅਰਥ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ ।੨੩੩।

 
- no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. ||233||

SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI - 1377 
SALOK KABEER JEE BHAGAT KABEER JI

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Shaheedi or martyrdom is about sacrificing ones life for the principles of gurmat, ie sacrificing your life for guruji. 

Examples include Bhai Taru Singh and Bhai Mani Singh. Such sikhs would die before breaking gurmat principles such as cutting hair, taking cannabis, drinking wine or eating flesh. 

Sacrificing gurmat principles by taking cannabis in order to achieve a goal is not shaheedi in my opinion. It’s a contradiction, how can you be fighting for religion when you are breaking its fundamental principles. 

Further more, this is what gurbani says about warriors - 

He alone is called a warrior, who is attached to the Lord's Love in this age.

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True warriors do not need to get high on drugs to drown fear and pain. True warriors are imbued and intoxicated with naam.