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  1. The sources which support your desire to use drugs and eat meat are corrupted. Throughout the years people have wanted to corrupt, twist and change sikhi for various reasons. Some are motivated by the wish to create division in the sikh panth or to bring Sikhism under the umbrella of Hinduism. Others are motivated by the need to justify personal desires such as use of meat and drugs. Such sources are clouded by doubt. There is one source however which as sikhs we must not doubt....our guru...Siri Guru Granth Sahib who says - ਕਬੀਰ ਭਾਂਗ ਮਾਛੁਲੀ ਸੁਰਾ ਪਾਨਿ ਜੋ ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਾਨੀ ਖਾਂਹਿ ॥ Kabeer, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine. ਤੀਰਥ ਬਰਤ ਨੇਮ ਕੀਏ ਤੇ ਸਭੈ ਰਸਾਤਲਿ ਜਾਂਹਿ ॥੨੩੩॥ - no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. ||233|| SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI - 1377  SALOK KABEER JEE BHAGAT KABEER JI
  2. It’s quite apparent you will deny the truth even when it’s in black and white right in front of your eyes. The passage quoted by kabeer is a salok, that’s its beginning, middle and end. A very simple passage of gurbani from maharaj. Whoever consumes cannabis, fish, wine goes to hell. If you don’t accept what guruji says and are intent on twisting gurbani to suite your own beliefs, then there is no point discussing further. People reading this thread can make up their own mind.
  3. Did you not see the previous posts? This is what Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji says to everyone who uses bhang, including any of those ‘shaheeds’ you have named. No one is above guruji , no one is exempt from the hukam of guru ji. This is the hukam of guruji - ਕਬੀਰ ਭਾਂਗ ਮਾਛੁਲੀ ਸੁਰਾ ਪਾਨਿ ਜੋ ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਾਨੀ ਖਾਂਹਿ ॥ ਹੇ ਕਬੀਰ! ਜੇ ਲੋਕ ‘ਭਗਤਨ ਸੇਤੀ ਗੋਸਟੇ’ ਕਰ ਕੇ ਤੀਰਥ-ਜਾਤ੍ਰਾ ਵਰਤ-ਨੇਮ ਆਦਿਕ ਭੀ ਕਰਦੇ ਹਨ ਤੇ ਉਹ ਸ਼ਰਾਬੀ ਲੋਕ ਭੰਗ ਮੱਛੀ ਭੀ ਖਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ ,  Kabeer, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine ਤੀਰਥ ਬਰਤ ਨੇਮ ਕੀਏ ਤੇ ਸਭੈ ਰਸਾਤਲਿ ਜਾਂਹਿ ॥੨੩੩॥ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦੇ ਉਹ ਤੀਰਥ ਵਰਤ ਆਦਿਕ ਵਾਲੇ ਸਾਰੇ ਕਰਮ ਬਿਲਕੁਲ ਵਿਅਰਥ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ ।੨੩੩।  - no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. ||233|| SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI - 1377  SALOK KABEER JEE BHAGAT KABEER JI ————————————————————— Shaheedi or martyrdom is about sacrificing ones life for the principles of gurmat, ie sacrificing your life for guruji. Examples include Bhai Taru Singh and Bhai Mani Singh. Such sikhs would die before breaking gurmat principles such as cutting hair, taking cannabis, drinking wine or eating flesh. Sacrificing gurmat principles by taking cannabis in order to achieve a goal is not shaheedi in my opinion. It’s a contradiction, how can you be fighting for religion when you are breaking its fundamental principles. Further more, this is what gurbani says about warriors - jaa kau har ra(n)g laago is jug meh so kaheeat hai sooraa || True warriors do not need to get high on drugs to drown fear and pain. True warriors are imbued and intoxicated with naam.
  4. "Kabeer bhang machuli sura paan jo jo prani khahn teerath barat nem kiye sabhai rasaatal jahe " - Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji -ANG 1377 Kabeer ,those mortals who consume marijuna,fish and wine- no matter what pilgrimages , fasts and rituals they follow , they will go to hell
  5. Last time I checked, selling swords isn’t allowed on eBay. I had 2 of these shastar, sold one via this forum. The other will sell given enough time. Anyone who knows what baldev singh nihangs prices are like will know this is a very good deal.
  6. Also, you should tell your relatives to arrange an akhand paath in the house for the bibi who is said to be stuck as a pret.
  7. If a persons mind is on their house at point of death, they will return as a ghost within that house. ant kal jo mandre simrae aisee chinta mai jai marae Pret jaun val val authere Sggsji Ang 526 bhagat trilochan Why do you think haunted houses are such a spoken about concept around the world? If a person dies in such thought, jam dhooth the messenger of death will come to collect them and take them to the court of dharam rai. There they will be judged and sentenced according to their deeds, which would include incarnation as a ghost for the above person who died thinking of their house. This may be in addition to punishment in hell for their other deeds, or even a period in heaven. The persons existence as a ghost will typically last a long time, but not necessarily for ever. Once their debt has been paid, jam dhooth will come back down and take them to wherever dharam rai has ordered. I would recommend reading unditthi duniya (unseen world) by Bhai Randhir Singh.
  8. One could argue killing an insect helps speed its journey through transmigration. Ive read sakhian, actually read mcauliffes books start to finish. Didn’t read any stories about not killing insects. Also some stories aren’t accurate. Sometimes you have to use common sense. Bacteria are living organisms yet we culture them in yoghurt and ingest them... many die in our stomach acid. Is this negative karma? What would you do if there’s a wasps nest on your house? Would you put out poison for mice?
  9. I’ve been bitten by spiders and stung by wasps without provocation. Im no jain nor a follower of mahatma gandhi. At war we kill men. We aren’t hindus. I’m vegetarian but if the need arises to kill I will kill. If you find mice in your house you going to put out cheese for it? Pests inside your own house / personal space need to be dealt with. Would you kill a mosquito? Or put up with a sore itchy bite just so the mozzy can have a meal? i had a wasps nest on my house and got the council to pump it full of pesticide. I felt no guilt whatsoever. One sting can kill you if you have a reaction. If you have kids it’s a worry. Last week I woke up with 2 spider bites weeping puss, which could have become infected. In my opinion killing such pests is fine.
  10. Spiders bite, they leave two puncture marks in a spot. Wasps definitly sting without provocation. Kill them quickly, no problem. They are pests.
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