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IshR last won the day on September 21 2019

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  1. I had two of these shastar. One sold, still have one available.
  2. Lol Not in UK. Generally, most Keshdharee sikhs / gursikhs are family people here, they are professionals who stay away from violent confrontation. They have comfortable lives. I think the moneh who are involved in crime / drugs have more fighting spirit. Even in Punjab, sikhs aren’t what they used to be. Look at the battle of saragarhi in recent history....21 sikhs vs 1000s of afghans. Sikh children often get bullied at school. I encourage all parents to send there children to jiu jitsu, boxing or thai boxing (these are most useful / practical in street fights from what I have seen)
  3. It means there are different rehat maryade. It’s ones own choice to choose where to take amrit according to ones own beliefs. Many believe it’s ok to eat meat so they choose panj which allow eating of meat etc i think the question was a little bit silly, maybe made to provoke argument. im not saying any particular rehat maryada is right or wrong, just that it’s ones own choice to decide where to take it as long as the jathabande is part of the panth and hasn’t been excommunicated by akal takt.
  4. In many ways Christmas is like Halloween, a seasonal festival actually started by the pagans. Jesus was born in summer apparently. Not justifying celebrating it, just saying it’s not really a religious festival. I’d say celebrating Diwali is just as bad. Sikhs call it bandhi chor just as an excuse to celebrate Diwali. Most sikhs go crazy over bandhi chor, with loads of fireworks but don’t do anything for guru nanak dev jis janam din
  5. The sources which support your desire to use drugs and eat meat are corrupted. Throughout the years people have wanted to corrupt, twist and change sikhi for various reasons. Some are motivated by the wish to create division in the sikh panth or to bring Sikhism under the umbrella of Hinduism. Others are motivated by the need to justify personal desires such as use of meat and drugs. Such sources are clouded by doubt. There is one source however which as sikhs we must not doubt....our guru...Siri Guru Granth Sahib who says - ਕਬੀਰ ਭਾਂਗ ਮਾਛੁਲੀ ਸੁਰਾ ਪਾਨਿ ਜੋ ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਾਨੀ ਖਾਂਹਿ ॥ Kabeer, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine. ਤੀਰਥ ਬਰਤ ਨੇਮ ਕੀਏ ਤੇ ਸਭੈ ਰਸਾਤਲਿ ਜਾਂਹਿ ॥੨੩੩॥ - no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. ||233|| SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI - 1377  SALOK KABEER JEE BHAGAT KABEER JI
  6. It’s quite apparent you will deny the truth even when it’s in black and white right in front of your eyes. The passage quoted by kabeer is a salok, that’s its beginning, middle and end. A very simple passage of gurbani from maharaj. Whoever consumes cannabis, fish, wine goes to hell. If you don’t accept what guruji says and are intent on twisting gurbani to suite your own beliefs, then there is no point discussing further. People reading this thread can make up their own mind.
  7. Did you not see the previous posts? This is what Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji says to everyone who uses bhang, including any of those ‘shaheeds’ you have named. No one is above guruji , no one is exempt from the hukam of guru ji. This is the hukam of guruji - ਕਬੀਰ ਭਾਂਗ ਮਾਛੁਲੀ ਸੁਰਾ ਪਾਨਿ ਜੋ ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਾਨੀ ਖਾਂਹਿ ॥ ਹੇ ਕਬੀਰ! ਜੇ ਲੋਕ ‘ਭਗਤਨ ਸੇਤੀ ਗੋਸਟੇ’ ਕਰ ਕੇ ਤੀਰਥ-ਜਾਤ੍ਰਾ ਵਰਤ-ਨੇਮ ਆਦਿਕ ਭੀ ਕਰਦੇ ਹਨ ਤੇ ਉਹ ਸ਼ਰਾਬੀ ਲੋਕ ਭੰਗ ਮੱਛੀ ਭੀ ਖਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ ,  Kabeer, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine ਤੀਰਥ ਬਰਤ ਨੇਮ ਕੀਏ ਤੇ ਸਭੈ ਰਸਾਤਲਿ ਜਾਂਹਿ ॥੨੩੩॥ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦੇ ਉਹ ਤੀਰਥ ਵਰਤ ਆਦਿਕ ਵਾਲੇ ਸਾਰੇ ਕਰਮ ਬਿਲਕੁਲ ਵਿਅਰਥ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ ।੨੩੩।  - no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. ||233|| SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI - 1377  SALOK KABEER JEE BHAGAT KABEER JI ————————————————————— Shaheedi or martyrdom is about sacrificing ones life for the principles of gurmat, ie sacrificing your life for guruji. Examples include Bhai Taru Singh and Bhai Mani Singh. Such sikhs would die before breaking gurmat principles such as cutting hair, taking cannabis, drinking wine or eating flesh. Sacrificing gurmat principles by taking cannabis in order to achieve a goal is not shaheedi in my opinion. It’s a contradiction, how can you be fighting for religion when you are breaking its fundamental principles. Further more, this is what gurbani says about warriors - jaa kau har ra(n)g laago is jug meh so kaheeat hai sooraa || True warriors do not need to get high on drugs to drown fear and pain. True warriors are imbued and intoxicated with naam.
  8. "Kabeer bhang machuli sura paan jo jo prani khahn teerath barat nem kiye sabhai rasaatal jahe " - Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji -ANG 1377 Kabeer ,those mortals who consume marijuna,fish and wine- no matter what pilgrimages , fasts and rituals they follow , they will go to hell
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