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It is our own ignorant people that state Sant Jarnail Singh ji should have never went to Sri Akal Takht Sahib. Specifically, it's the Buddha Dal group, which includes Gyani Sher Singh holding the same view as his group Budha Dal. Gyani's should stick to what they know.

Why is there another damdami taksal rehat maryada? Should the code of conduct not be the same for any sikh from anywhere? One rehat for all?

Can you present the documents that states SGPC Rehat Maryada received the stamp as the final Rehat Maryada for all Sikhs? The Sikhs involved in making the big decision of whether to accept the SGPC Rehat were all broken up. Many Sikhs walked out on this decision and many expressed their view that thiis can never be the final Rehat Maryada for the Sikhs. The final decision that came out of this meeting was that this matter of Rehat Maryada will be taken up again at a later date. This later date never came and today many cunning Sikhs want rest of the Khalsa Panth to believe this is the final and only Rehat Maryada for Sikhs.

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You cannot control kaam. All you have done is fight kaam for a month. Others fight kaam for years and ages, but everyone loses at the end. Your body has taken the toll by fighting with kaam as you describe in your post. Yogis, Sadhu, Devis, Devta, etc all tried to control kaam through various methods, but in the end they all got defeated by it.

I did everything to avoid lustful thoughts and things and seeing woman in wrong way ( its hard cause most of them even attract us guys with short pants etc.. but thats not the topic

Okay so you saw a woman's legs in short pants, which means you still found it attractive, but avoided the thought to the best of your ability. Do you think there is a different way to look at the same woman without even mentioning anything about her attributes or characteristics? What is the body made of? What if the skin was clear as a window and all you could see is the internal organs of a person? Gurbani tells us the body is dust. The body is made from dust and it goes back to dust. Can you see yourself finding the dust on the ground attractive?

On www.Gursevak.com, Bhagat Jaswant Singh ji has given various ways to go deeper into ourselves using Gurbani and find humility, compassion, and contentment to continue your duties of reading Gurbani, seva, and making an honest religious living. You might want to explore that site and see how it can help you. One thing i remember from there that has made a big impact in my life is when Bhagat Jaswant Singh ji ask us to remember the shaheedi of Sri Guru Arjun Dev ji when ever kaam, krodh, lobh, moh, or ankhar come in our mind intensely. Bhagat ji says in brief, now Sri Guru Arjun Dev ji is getting up to sit on the hot burning plate. Now the 5th Master is sitting on the hot burning plate. Sitting on the hot burning plate they are now starting to pour hot burning stand on the 5th masters body. Create a mental image of the 5th master sitting on the hot plate. I remember this from Bhagat ji repeating it and I feel a complete calmness come over my mind and body. I tried looking for the exact wording Bhagat ji uses, but coud not find it. Give it a try and see if it works for you.

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I am not sure if this is a genuine post or its just to make fun... but I will give a little insight...

Masturabating is a natural thing for men, but we should not over do it because sikhi warns us against kaami thoughts and actions. Its very admirable that u are trying so hard to abstain from this but how long do you think you can go on with this? Obviously god has a reason why men have this urge or desire. Reduce and control ur kaami thoughts and actions but remember a certain amount of kaam is needed in this world to reproduce. Sikhi doesn't see sex after marriage as a sin and no Guru ever commented on Masturabating....the real issue is controlling kaam...and conquering ur mind. Just dont make it priority over other things like japping naam and doing good deeds.

Bhul chuk maaf

Worst advice anyone can give on this topic. The act of pleasuring yourself involves mental images or a reality of something. If you are heterosexual than that something is a woman that your believe is appealing. Which is lust for a woman. The stick don't stand up just because it wants you to look stupid in public or for pizza. The eyes saw an attractive women (lustful thoughts) and your mind activated your stick. Next comes self gratification. There is no holiness in this action. Stop lying to yourself.

Just quickly dropping by, few things out of the way, this is based on my research-

1. Gurmat does not worship any avtars but only akaal purkh. We don't confine akaal purkh to different avtars (including prevalent six of them) as from advait gurmat

Our guru sahib were highest of all as they were poran tam avtar- poran parkash roop limited kaala, sarab kala samarath - satguru nanak dev ji.

In the first sentence you say Gurmat does not worship any avtars, but then call Guru Sahib pooran tam avtar. So you don't worship the Guru's? Let's see what Gurbani says about who Guru Sahib is.

http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=153

The above shabad tells us Guru Sahib and Vaheguru are the same.

Next Shabads speaks for Gurmat and tells us to worship Guru Sahib.

http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=152

http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=153

in this case sri krishan maharaj who was bhramgyani gurmukh as he was sixteen kala avtar with all the qualities see attachment below and gurbani .

Overall make no mistake they don't come from satan but appear from akaal purkh and disappear in akaal purkh himself according to need and time, yes they goof up but thats also according to akaal purkh hakum as there is no such thing as free will,

Kaal in sri dasam guru granth sahib is shakti of akaal purkh, so ultimately all avtars were subjected to kaal as they were in terms of body (made out of shud satogun) just like everybody else

However, this is no where to be seen as doubt to their avastha whereas it was vahiguroo all along in various different forms thats his khel". Yes previous avtars underestimated nirankar but this was akaal purkh maya khel himself (nothing is outside of hakum) and this to further his play at the end they were all merged back in nirankar...indeed they were sargun avtars of akaal purkh (small, medium, big according to need in yugas) where else they would merge to? ... we don't beleive in separate entity satan like christians do.

This Shabad in Dasam Bani clearly says the devi and devta did not realize Vaheguru.

ਜੇ ਜੇ ਭਏ ਪਹਿਲ ਅਵਤਾਰਾ ॥ ਆਪੁ ਆਪੁ ਤਿਨ ਜਾਪੁ ਉਚਾਰਾ ॥

ਪ੍ਰਭ ਦੋਖੀ ਕੋਈ ਨ ਬਿਦਾਰਾ ॥ ਧਰਮ ਕਰਨ ਕੋ ਰਾਹੁ ਨ ਡਾਰਾ ॥੪੪॥

ਜੇ ਜੇ ਗਉਸ ਅੰਬੀਆ ਭਏ ॥ ਮੈ ਮੈ ਕਰਤ ਜਗਤ ਤੇ ਗਏ ॥

ਮਹਾਪੁਰਖ ਕਾਹੂੰ ਨ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥ ਕਰਮ ਧਰਮ ਕੋ ਕਛੂ ਨ ਜਾਨਾ ॥੪੫॥

http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=20118

In the bold Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji says Devi and Devta did not realize/merge with Vaheguru. Only you call Krishna a brahmgyani and say they merged with Vaheguru. Gurbani says Brahmgyanis realize Vaheguru. And in Vaheguru's hukam Krishna did not realize Vaheguru as Dasam Bani says.

The Gurus are never subject to Kaal, they are same as Vaheguru. But the devi devta were as they did not realize Vaheguru.

I understand that the devi devtay were made the sadashiv but i still believe the gurus give respect to them because then they wouldnt say god acted through them. There is a quote that is explicitly praising krishan bhagwan and you cant be loke : "oh no forget that quote and place it under these quotes that seem to dis the devi devte" because your telling me to place a hierarchy on gurbani. You cant say one quote is more importat than the other. So if you think those quotes are in a hierarchy then your one basically saying there is a paradox in gurbani that is self contradictory. There is something that must explain the paradox of why one guru praises krishan and one seems to dis him. The only person on this site that has resolved this paradox without placing a hierarchy on gurbani lines and without saying gurbani is contradictory is neosingh. Im tired of people trying to say one ang is more valuable than anoter.

You are being selective of which shabad you want to read. I am very aware of the so called shabads that praise krishna. It is your lack of understand that you think Krishna is being praised in Gurbani. Have you read the Shabad that actually say many worms like Krishna have been created in Sri Dasam Granth? http://www.sridasam.org/dasam?Action=Page&p=54&english=t&id=65002

Taking this into consideration. Is Akal Purakh a worm? Does your understanding make sense? Additionally, in Aad Granth Krishna actions are said to be egotistical. Is Vaheguru egotistical? http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=1376

Tomorrow people of your mindset will start seeing Narsingh as you see Krishna today. But not Sikhs that listen to their Guru. Dasam Granth states very clearly Narsingh was sucked into Kaal. http://www.sridasam.org/dasam?Action=Page&p=106&english=t&id=67183

Read the above shabad from the beginning and read what was the fate of Krishna.

ਜਿਤੇ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਹ੍ਵੈ ਹੈਂ ॥ ਸਭੈ ਅੰਤਿ ਜੈ ਹੈਂ ॥੭੦॥

ਜਿਤੇ ਦੇਵ ਹੋਸੀ ॥ ਸਭੈ ਅੰਤ ਜਾਸੀ ॥

Then read the last line of the shabad. Guru ji tells those who took Vaheguru's refuge were/are only saved. Which means Krishna did not take Vaheguru's refuge.

ਜਿਤੇ ਸਰਨਿ ਜੈਹੈਂ ॥ਤਿਤਿਓ ਰਾਖ ਲੈਹੈਂ ॥੭੫॥

http://www.sridasam.org/dasam?Action=Page&p=105

If devi devta are ants then were are mere particles of dust. You must be blind to the quotes that say the devi devtay are servants of god. You and me are not even close to that. Who are you to judge them? You think because the Guru calls someone ants that you can also call them ants? They are higher powers than us according to the will of god. God made Durga: "thayheen Durga saajkay dentaan da naas karaya". God made them special, unlike me and you. We are keeray compared to devi devtay as they are keeray compared to Sadashiv/Bhagauti.

A lot of huffing and puffing, but nothing materialized. You made the claim that Gurbani has immense respect for devi and devta, but you have not presented a single pankti.

"thayheen Durga saajkay dentaan da naas karaya"

The above comes in Chandi di Vaar and is not giving immense respect to Durga. It is actually saying if you read the whole pauri that these devis and devta (including durga) received their strength from Vaheguru. After creating the playing field he got these devta and devis in a fight with demons. Indra lost against the demons. Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji is telling what actually happened and not the lies told by Vedant scriptures. Guru Sahib is setting the record straight that these devis and devta are nothing special.

Here is the link if anyone is interested

http://www.sridasam.org/dasam?Action=Page&p=298

You come from a Hindu background and will favor these devi and devta just as a Muslim will favor Muhammad. One thing is very clear in Gurbani. Whether that be Aad Granth or Dasam Granth, these devi and devta were sent by Vaheguru to spread dharm, but they got lost in their own pride and started teaching people they are to be worshipped and are the One Supreme Being. They taught the people how to worship them, but never told the people how to worship Akal Purakh. And today these devi and devta are begging at the feet of Vaheguru's Bhagats to attain liberation.

If these devis and devta actually taught according to Gurbani. Then they would be special and immense respect would be given to them as immense respect is given to Bhagat Prahlaad ji. Bhagat ji is special not these devi devta. Bhagat Dhanna Jatt ji is special, but not these devi devta. Tav Parsad Swaiyve very clearly state Vaheguru does not care about how big of an army or powers (as devi and devta had), or how many battles you have won. The immense respect comes from following the instructions of Vaheguru.

So according to your website Gandhi will be reincarnated until he becomes a Sikh of Guru Nanak and takes Amrit?

This sounds a lot like Islam and Christianity. It's not a view I'm comfortable with at all. We Sikhs make a minimal amount of the world's population, you're saying only Amritdhari Sikhs make it. So no one was liberated until Guru Nanak arrived on Earth?

Do you have a phobia against Christianity and Islam?

Is there a Guru other than Guru Nanak Dev ji which can liberate a person?

I understand that Gurbani does not pray to the avtars but has immense respect for them and explains their dharmic duties bestowed by Sadashiv Maharaj.

I would love to see this immense respect Gurbani has for Devi and Devta that Gurbani calls low as ants.

Gurdwara committees will not allow the Parkash of Sri Dasam Granth Sahib. They want to keep everything simple as possible. Then you have the poor excuse that Sri Dasam Granth Parkash only takes place at Takhts. It's on the youth to start Gurdwaras and leave these old baggages behind to their money hungry eyes in the dust.

Lol. Indian Military most probably feared the Singhs and knew they could not handle it on their own which is why they needed international assistance (including USSR's KGB) which they received. Brar's is obviously a face-saving statement.

Indian Military was not scared. They had high powered weapons and they were just waiting for political backing from a super power like UK so there is no political backlash from other countries after the attack. The Indian Military could have completely demolished all of Sri Harmandir Sahib and Sri Akal Takht in the first 5 hours if it was not for political backing that was preventing them from doing it. This was well planned and thought out attack. Draw out the attack into days so allies won't think you are the next hitler with no regard for women or children or a whole religion.

The Indian Military leaders had no regard for women and children and men. What makes you think it had any regard for the soldiers it lost in the attack? The Indian Military gained the soldiers back in no time with new recruits.

The Singhs fighting had huge hearts to face such terror and wreckless government, with no regard for human life or religious structures.

Your pindu tactics of chakking someone up and insulting another person don't work. Just out of curiosity, did you actually say blah blah blah in your head when you typed that or when you read my post? That's a question you don't need to answer. :lol2:

Langowal was panthic during Sant Ji's time, but he did end up betraying panth and took a different path that he saw as right. Also, thanks for the nindiya, I'm collecting nindiya in my nindiya bank. :strong:

Pindu's are straight in your face type of people. Sant ji was pindu, raised in the pind, made his living from farming, lived as a pindu, and stood up for the pindu. People like you are longowal; eat from sadh sangat hands and then try to rationalize killing them. Your first step is to fill your nindiya bank. You have already started to go against the Khalsa Panth. Won't be long till you are groomed into a junior longowal. How full was your master longowal's nindiya bank?

Just like your hindu brothers you insult those who saved your family from being slaved by Muslims. You stink of rot, hence no Gursikh or as you put it pindu wants to sit next to you.

[insert pictures of Sant Ji with Yogi Bachan and 3ho members] Sant Ji displayed diplomatic means and hence Yogi Bachan forever called Sant Ji a fearless Sant when he got to know him. I don't condone anything from 3HO and have spoke out against all the manmat that goes on, but you and your keyboard warrior abilities are polarizing instead of changing anything.

Also, when have I "stood up for 3ho"? The type of "Sikhi" you practice is a cult to me as well. You remind me of <Edited> muzlims who only get religious for political reasons.

This is what i read from your post blah blah blah. Come back when you actually make sense. Why don't you put up a picture of longowal and Sant ji up to say Longowal was Panthic. Honestly i cannot say how stupid you are. No wonder Sikhs are called naive. It is because of people like you flapping their gums.

If i continue this discussion I'm regret it. So im stop right here. Word of advise, take your head out of n30 you know what and pay some attention to Jonny 101 post.

For someone goes on about about others harassing other Sikhs on online forums, this post is very interesting.

Also, how you judge someone else says more about you than the person you're judging. Sant Gurbachan Singh Bhindranwale pointed out the truth that if you look for bad in others, they manifest in yourself. Further they say more about your current state of mind.

Learn what harassment means. Damn there are some **** people on this forum.

You think it is judging and I say the person will think twice before calling another Sikh a coward who is in a similar position. Read Zafarrnama, what was the Fateh that Guru Sahib spoke of in there? Before referring to a Saint understand what they were about. If Sant ji was here today you would not have stood up for cults like 3HO. You would have actual understanding and not the pseudo n30 reasoning.

Oh look, another keyboard warrior, safe to mock people behind a monitor isn't it? Regardless of your psuedo-insults,

If you can't take it then don't start it. Calling the Singh a coward was your initial mistake. And I don't hide behind monitors calling people cowards like yourself.

I have defended my dastar against thugs (more than one so I was outnumbered) without use of a weapon, let alone one that could result in manslaughter, had the thugs been armed, then it's more than appropriate to defend yourself through any means neccessary, this however was inappropriate use.

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Who cares if you defended your dastar against anyone. Go pound your chest to someone that will care. You clearly don't see when a Sikh can use his shastar to defend himself or others. Next your baseless illogical thinking will tell a bibi she can't take here Kirpan out against a man who wants to attack her because it is a one on one fight. :stupidme:

India scraps are no western scraps with just fist or bear mace or tasers. knock the person out and head for the hills. In india the person get's his head ripped open, limb cut off, spine broken, or worst of all killed. Western mob fights are cake walks compared to india mob assaults.

I know Sikhs that have had their head ripped open over just sport matches. They made nothing of it and here you are pounding your chest. LMAO

Go back to school and learn something instead of hiding your kirpan under your dress shirt. The girls you try to impress won't like you to get your suit dirty. They won't want to do no bhangra with you afterwards.

People that have been sitting on internet forums for alsmost half a decade and harassing others should also be sent to prison for harassing others. Reminds me of the dera babas. I can commit a crime but everyone should turn a blind eye to it, but others should be punished for their crimes regardless of how innocent they were.

Can you tell us how old you are first?

Inappropriate use, the others were not armed, this was cowardly.

According to sheep thinking you are correct. He initially beat the thug without a kirpan. The thug's brother and brother's employees in the process of inflicting grievous injuries knocked off the the Singhs Dastar. Obviously you hide in your house your whole life and do not understand that a gang of people can cause major injuries to a person in a few seconds. Knocking off the Singhs dastar was a clear sign the gang had no regard for the Singh's well being and to uphold the law of so called handing him over to the police.

Lastly, to take the story written at face value by TimesofIndia shows how naive you are.

Hey guys I've been wondering for a while can you guys please enlighten me ! so im just starting out doing naam simran but i have this one question as a mona can i still reap the benifits of naam simran or is it that i have to become amritdhari ? Will i get kamai or no as a mona?.... Can any1 also tell me what happens when all of sudden you feel like ur getting a high when meditating !?!

thanks in advance!

You will feel a high by meditating when your actions are getting closer to what Guru Sahib wants of you. Read Gurbani and understand what Guru Sahib wants from you. Do Naam Simran and contemplate over your actions. The idea of Sikhi is to follow Guru Sahib and not reach these "stages". These stages are called ego and following Guru Sahib is called humility and being content.

Who cares what stage a mona has reached by doing naam simran. Do what Guru Sahib ask of you. Many times it is said I do so and so and have accomplished X for myself. Take it with a big pinch of salt, regardless of them being amritdhari, mona, or keshdhari. Shrug it off and focus on the teachings of Gurbani.

I suggest you take your own advice:

You didn't quote anything in Gurbani; you took a single line out of context and it was in English as well, a poor translation at that (imo)...

I am not going to bicker with you here as Gurbani was quoted in Gurmukhi. It's on you to say how so called I quoted Gurbani out of context by your understanding. If you give another unproductive reply as above. It shows your lack of abilities at which you are trying to cover up with personal attacks on me.

so mukh jale jit kahe thakur joni .....

Burn shall the mouth that says God comes in human form

quote Gurbani in Gurmukhi before you start preaching your English misinterpretation.

Why are you taking single lines from Gurbani out of context? Post the entire Shabad and then we will have a better understanding of what is actually being said, I'm afraid you can't just take a single line out of context, twist the meaning and use it to support a position.

Oh, and Gurbani also talks about goblins, demons and other mythical creatures- please tell me you don't think they actually exist...

Then show me where I have so called twisted (taken out of context) the line. I know for a fact that I have not taken the line out of context. Also Gurbani interpretations are done by interpreting the Gurmukhi and not the english. Just a note in case you start interpreting the shabad.

How did this discussion end up in the intellectual section. We all know when Chatanga enters the discussion all we are going to hear is a 5 year old telling everyone..........I know you are, but what am I

by practical you mean 10 guys beating up 1 guy?

It was not a wrestling match weirdo. I know Dhumma and Badal like their playful wrestling matches in their kacheras and you like to watch. Ajnala doesn't act as Dhumma does. You need to come out under from Dhumma's Chola and smell the fresh air.

Dhumma has done nothing for the Panth. Instead he has sold DamDami Taksal out to the Punjab government. Literally DamDami Taksal has been sold to the Badal by Dhumma. This is not success, but called backstabbing the Khalsa Panth.