jaspreet1

You following reformist christian jevoh witness type of sikhi certainly not helping you mate.

Everyone looks like Christian jevoh witnesses to people like you who worship dead pictures.

I just looked at your profile. You are 31!!!!!! I am shocked at how immature you are and how much time you have wasted on trying to spread the teaches of the vedas as Sikhi. Maybe it is time to stop calling the devta Brahma as your Guru and accept Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji as your Guru.

With reference to the above by N30ji, have a look at the thread about ''image of the guru shabad''

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/71543-image-of-the-guru-shabad/?hl=%2Bimage+%2Bguru

Do you know in Mool Mantar Guru ji says Akal Murat. You know Akal means timeless. So tell me what is the Murat of Akaal? I am a student of Sikhi, but when you want to flaunt your ego here. I am going to use a tone that will intimidate you and make you feel very small. If you come with humility I will wash your feet with my flowing nishan Sahib.

Gurbani says the Bani is the Guru. So tell me what is the Murat of Gurbani?

If someone thinks a stone or picture can help them in any way they are gravely mistaken and will waste this life away and enter charasi lakh joon.

I will go as far as saying this moorti pooja even insults the Hindu avtars, of course it also insults Sants.

Thank you for standing up for truth and speaking it.

I'm only 14,, i wouldn't know ! :lol2:

Or is it written 41, ... i'm not too sure now, i can't even write properly, never mind read :stupidme: :stupidme:

Your 3HO kundalini yoga exercises are not working to calm you down. Squeeze your buttock muscles a little more and maybe your kriya yoga will control your breath of fire.

No need to continue with you further on this topic.

Are you a Singh or a Kaur ?

Are you in the west ? If so, how long have you been here ?

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So now, you are also the supreme Judge since you can read my mind and be sure that I'm just lying ??

A telepathic cyber mind tapper ! :omg:

I know how to read, unlike some people on this site.

:nono: So if you are NOT attacking, then why accuse me of making lies ????? :nono:

What the hell do you really know about the idol worshiping , except for couple of misleading videos ???

Have you been there to New Mexico ???

If you are latching on to that self centred Gursant and his views, then are you NOT following ''BLIiND" teachings ??? How is this any different to blind idol worship ?

What evidence do you really have unless you personally met the Yogi or you have seen the practices in New Mexico with your own eyes ??

There are plenty of other threads where we have discussed 3HO and all the stuff you mention above, so please go and have a look there.

Keep this topic on the GAP-SINGH issue only.......Thanks....... :angry2:

Amusing you tell me to keep this topic on the Gap advertisement, but tried to smear Gursant Singh name into the mud and hope everyone would not question your blant lies on him. I did not accuse you of lying, I am saying you ARE lying. Do you see the difference?

Yogi Bhajan is sitting before an idol and worshipping it in a group of people, which also include his wife, daughter, and daughters husband. The picture says it all. If pictures are not good enough evidence for you then go live on a different planet because democratic societies accept them as evidence. There are pictures of 3HO members doing worship of idols. This is general knowledge now in the Sikh community. You can try to hide it, but Gursant Singh exposed them.

I know what you are saying above. But you are going of on a tangent.

You have not answered or responded to the actual questions about using a picture as a physical reminder to help engage you internally, have you ?? :stupidme:

Please look back on the post again and try to see or comprehend what i said.

You asked about Bhagat Dhanna ji and I answered your question. You asked and I answered the question, there was no tangent. Bhagat Dhanna ji remark of yours was the base of your argument. Which I answered. Nanaksar people are worshipping pictures and are not using them as an aid to think about the good deeds of the person in the picture. Standing before these pictures they get people to ask for baby boys. Sikhi has no problem with having photos in Gurdwaras or homes, as long as these photos are not being worshipped. Photos are used to tell a story and Sikhi has no problem with it.

Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji had 52 poets with him. Do you really think he could not get an artist to draw his picture if he really wanted too? Remember 52 poets not 1 or 2 but 52. After getting it drawn he could have got every Sikh to worship the picture. Being the Supreme Being, Guru ji knew Sikhs will fall back into the traps of idol worship. I cannot confirm at the moment, but I am pretty sure at Takht Hazur Sahib and Takht Patna Sahib their is idol worship going on of Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji's photo.

Did God come down to Bhagat Dhana and say that you should NOT have ever worshiped the stone ??

If someone uses a picture or stone to 'help' them to try and connect with the lord, then can we really call that a blind ritual ?

If i write reminders on my fridge door that help me to remember times and appointments, then is the fridge door itself an important internal part of my mind ?

Can we not use physical 'Tools' to help us connect ??

If not, then what is and why use a mala ?

Why have chaur sahib ?

Are you able to read Dasam Bani? In the shabad you quote back to me Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib says you can try to feed a stone idol food, but it won't eat the food. Bhagat Dhanna ji received the stone as it was God and when he went to feed the stone, the stone did not eat the food. Bhagat Dhanna ji sat for hours waiting for the stone to eat, but as Gurbani says the stone idol cannot eat food because it is dead. Bhagat Dhanna ji's service was accepted as Gurbani says:

ਧੰਨੈ ਸੇਵਿਆ ਬਾਲ ਬੁਧਿ ॥ ang 1192

Bhagat Dhanna ji did not have the knowledge to understand how to worship the lord. He was a child when coming to understand what, where, and who God is. God saw this child like innocence and presented himself.

You can believe that stone worship leads to God, but my Guru's Bani, my Guru is the only spiritual teacher that has clarified this beautiful occurrence. Many of the so called "educated" Sikhs who believe in picture worship have very nasty things to say about my illiterate Sikh brothers and sisters. Bhagat Dhanna ji showed these "educated" Sikhs that service to the Lord is approved don't matter how much knowledge they don't have. A pure heart and devotion is needed. Only the Vedas scripture follower "Sikhs" will disagree with Dhan Guru ji and Dasam Bani.

Gurbani is eternal and universal so when Gurbani says stone idol worship is wrong it is saying to everyone, including Bhagat Dhanna ji, but as Gurbani explained above Bhagat ji did not know better and no one taught him better till Darshan was received and God became the servant of Bhagat ji.

Gurbani is telling you that stone/picture idol worship is wrong, but still you want to defy Dhan Guru ji. Your choice to do whatever you want, but Dhan Pita ji has spoken in Aad Bani and Dasam Bani.

in nanaksar they have full repesect and satkar of sri guru granth sahib ji, the photos and videos u have shown does not even look like it is in nanaksar,

I have proof that the photos are from a Nanaksar place of worship. I have asked the person who changed the title of this thread to provide me with a message so I can directly provide the proof to them. So far I have not heard anything from this person. He/she is hiding from the sangat and me, but he cannot hide from the one who created him.

No doubt Guru Granth sahib is guru of sikhs.Khalsa is made from two granths namely Guru Granth and Dasam Granth. It is Guru

panth in form of panj piaras that create khalsa

Hard to believe you are writing this post to me when there is a discussion going on about stone idol woship and members have supported the stone idol worship. Why not tell them the above?

For everyone's info. Sikhi is not run by which side has more votes. My Guru; Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji and his Khalsa may be out numbered in this issue, but my Guru said one Khalsa is equal to 125, 000 strong. Sikhi is not a numbers game, but game of love.

Marry her as both of you have already starting spending time together before and after taking Amrit. Your family may not understand your choice, but you are making the correct choice here. She may be dark skinned, but her heart has taken the shelter of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji and Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji.

Gursant is not doing anyone any favours by so called exposing. He was with 3ho for quite a while and had his own plots of money making schemes under their banner.

However, they realised what he was up to and put a stop to him going any further. Since then, he has gone on the rampage with his personal revenge and agenda to try and get one over 3ho.

I repeat, like many other members on here.............There is nothing sexual,provocative or degrading about the ad picture.

It is NOT speaking against sikhi and neither does the stand of sikhi have any problem it. It is just the few numbers that have a personal issue with it that are doing all the shouting.

These few, are the ones with their own insecurities.

Here is a Punjabi that is already making up lies about Gursant Singh. Gursant Singh did make a mistake by being with 3HO, but the important thing is he left this group that worships stone idols. Give Gursant Singh a break he does not know Punjabi and based his teachings of Sikhi on Yogi Bhajan who did stone idol worship himself. His love toward the Guru was genuine but misled by a selfish man. But he has moved away from the idol worshippers and now has started a campaign to expose them for what they were and are.

Listen to your sister ekgurjaskhalsa when she says Guru ji would not accept the behaviour in the photo. If you want a role model to bring awareness then encourage more Kaurs to not remove their facial hair and follow their sister Balpreet Kaur. Balpreet Kaur brought awareness with grace to the American community when she was given an opportunity.

I am not denying that Sikhi marg is a difficult marg. I was just giving to an example of hate crimes in America.

But you ignored all other points I made.

No body holds protests when Diljit sings "lake 28" wearing a turban. No one says a word when Nikku dances with half naked girls with a turban. Everyone dances when Daler Mehandi sings "tunak tunak" or Malkit sings, " tutak tutak" while wearing turban

What image or character are they portraying? Where are all the protesters??

Waris is the only NY model who does not smoke or drink. And this is not the FIRST time he has posed with other women.He is far better than Vikram Chatwal who is in jail for drugs possession..

What you are doing now is trying to justify one wrong with another. Was it not on the Punjabi speaking Sikhs to protest? But I have seen many Punjabi Sikhs justify these singers actions and support them. So who was going to protest against the Punjabi singers the Catholics? Jathas avoid confrontation because they don't want the spot light turned around and expose their wrong actions. So who is left the Sikhs that have been politically oppressed by both sides!

Well now you have one of these oppressed Sikhs standing up and he is facing the heat from the jathas and Punjabi Sikhs, who are slandering him every which way possible. Both sides turned him into the devil and I received the same treatment just on this site after expressing a similar concern. Approach the jathas and see what you can accomplish. They will turn you down and drag your name into the mud before you can even lift a finger to expose the truth.

I do not agree all of what Gursant Singh is doing, but he is doing a good job of exposing certain jathas and people who abuse Sikhs for their benefits. With this issue he has rustled the leaves and the tree shock. Meaning the wider non Sikh community will notice that Sikhs did not like their identity being lowered to some sexual appeal stunt. I respect his courage to stand up to millions of people and say this is wrong. Many fold after two people try to silence them.

Now regarding the photos:

I have never seen or heard about that person before. I doubt it seems like a Nanaksar sant, i highly doubt it.

The only photos we keep of are Baba Nand Singh Ji, Baba Ishar Singh Ji . And the purpose of that is, as N3O explained to show reverence.

Another thing is when Sants leave their physical body they become Pooran, at that time you can do dhyan of Sant Photo in ur meditation. Its a tool for Dhyan Sadhana.

And its a way of showing respect to Parupkari Sants, the true ones, the brahmgyanis, not the avg joes these days.

" Guru Ji says Brhamgyani stays forever, and never dies" Their physical bodies vanish, but they can come to you in many forms. I have a photo of Baba Ishar Singh Ji in front of me looking straight ahead, sitting on a tiger skin. When I look at it , I feel such a powerful presence. It feels Hes there. I cant look into his eyes and face. When I do , all my sins and wrongdoing come in front of me, and I just feel so ashamed within myself. Such is the presence, and power. And then I just look at charan/feet and ask for forgiveness. Same with saroop of Guru Nanak ji. Seekers are told to have dhyan of Guru Nanaks feeet in their surti.

I was listening to Sant Waryam Singh ji one day, even he mentioned he used to do dhyan of guru Nanak in his trikuti .

Mind loves concrete concepts, Photo is a tool for Dhyan Sadhana, and to show reverence and respect to our elders. And then rest depends on one's bhavna and shardha.

So what is the difference between you and the others that worship stones. You worship a picture that is dead and others worship a stone that is dead. Please take a look at your Guru's Bani:

ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ ਪਾਤਿਸ਼ਾਹੀ ੧੦॥

ਇਕ ਬਿਨ ਦੂਸਰ ਸੋ ਨ ਚਿਨਾਰ ॥

ਭੰਜਨ ਗੜ੍ਹਨ ਸਮਰਥ ਸਦਾ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਜਾਨਤ ਹੈ ਕਰਤਾਰ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਕਹਾ ਭਇਓ ਜੋ ਅਤਿ ਹਿਤ ਚਿਤ ਕਰ ਬਹੁਬਿਧਿ ਸਿਲਾ ਪੁਜਾਈ ॥

ਪਾਨ ਥਕੇ ਪਾਹਿਨ ਕੱਹ ਪਰਸਤ ਕਛੁ ਕਰ ਸਿੱਧ ਨ ਆਈ ॥੧॥

ਅੱਛਤ ਧੂਪ ਦੀਪ ਅਰਪਤ ਹੈ ਪਾਹਨ ਕਛੂ ਨ ਖੈ ਹੈ ॥

ਤਾ ਮੈ ਕਹਾਂ ਸਿੱਧ ਹੈ ਰੇ ਜੜ ਤੋਹਿ ਕਛੂ ਬਰ ਦੈ ਹੈ ॥੨॥

ਜੌ ਜਿਯ ਹੋਤ ਦੇਤ ਕਛੁ ਤੁਹਿ ਕਰ ਮਨ ਬਚ ਕਰਮ ਬਿਚਾਰ ॥

ਕੇਵਲ ਏਕ ਸ਼ਰਣਿ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਬਿਨ ਯੌ ਨਹਿ ਕਤਹਿ ਉਧਾਰ ॥੩॥੧॥

Rag Devgandkari By the Tenth Guru (To be sung 4 hours after sunrise)

Recognize only One Supreme Soul but none else.

The Lord has always the power to destroy and create; the Creator knows everything.(1) pause.

What if one worships a stone in various ways with great love and devotion.

Worshipping stones, the soul grew weary (the end came) but no spiritual power was gained upto now.(1)

Despite offering whole rice, incense and burning lamps etc., the stone eats nothing.

O ignorant one! what spiritual power is in it (the stone) which can bless you with.(2)

If it were alive, then it will give you something. Consider carefully this fact in thought, word and deed.

Without the shelter of One Sole God there will be no deliverance for you.(3)(1)(9)

I am not interested at all on how you see idol worship. Gurbani defines idol worship perfectly so don't need your definition.

The object (stone/picture) can not provide no knowledge:

ਪਾਨ ਥਕੇ ਪਾਹਿਨ ਕੱਹ ਪਰਸਤ ਕਛੁ ਕਰ ਸਿੱਧ ਨ ਆਈ ॥੧॥

Because it has no knowledge to give:

ਤਾ ਮੈ ਕਹਾਂ ਸਿੱਧ ਹੈ ਰੇ ਜੜ ਤੋਹਿ ਕਛੂ ਬਰ ਦੈ ਹੈ ॥੨॥

The object (stone/picture) is dead:

ਜੌ ਜਿਯ ਹੋਤ ਦੇਤ ਕਛੁ ਤੁਹਿ ਕਰ ਮਨ ਬਚ ਕਰਮ ਬਿਚਾਰ ॥

Worship is taking the above defined object and saying it is God or representation of God; therefore treating it in this manner, which can range from by putting it on a higher platform, putting garland around it, singing to it, bathing it, etc. Each religion has there own way of worship so defining worship in totality cannot be done.

@ Jaspreet1

- I am not a leader or a spokesperson for anyone. I have my own understanding of the teachings.

- Please visit Nanaksar Kaleran Jagraon in Punjab, and learn if Bhangra is being done there. If you can do so , you are free to label it as 'Nanaksar dancing'. The only true representation of Nanaksar is the Jagraon Center. I dont believe in any other Nanaksar Gurdwara.

- your intention of pasting the video link along with the title Nanaksar...I don't know what to make of that.

You may not believe other people are following the Nanaksar way, but what you believe does not go for Nanaksar. You have said you are not the leader of it so you cannot say what is and what is not Nanaksar.

I thought this thread was about a keshdhari Sikh model not worshiping stones. Everyone unanimously is against pooja if you read that thread with the exception of one or two individual(s).

Punjabis have done more manmat pre-Singh Sabha movement, we are doing relatively well right now and improving, there is a point where "spreading the truth" becomes a repetition that loses its weight. That's where missionary paranoia comes in.

What took me a long time to get is that you can't force Sikhi on any individual(s), you can only inspire someone if you become a GurSikh and like a Paras or Sandlewood Tree, you can transform others into the fragrance of Vaheguru.

Your mind has the power to make something good or bad. Looking for auguns in others, some of those auguns manifest in our own minds.

There's a right and wrong way to bring positive change, a stubborn way will only create vavivadh and polarization.

I have become a target on here because others including n3osingh did not like what I exposed of the Nanaksar group. Like I said, another even threatened me to stop exposing Nanaksar. It could not feel more welcomed at this site. Then you targeted me because I asked everyone if our Guru ji would stand next to a woman in the same manner as in the photo. Obviously you did not like the question because it made you think and realize that the photo is wrong. But instead of admitting it you targeted me.

I really appreciate the one poster who answered my question honestly and said it was wrong. It gives me a sign that there is still Sikhs left who are trying to follow the truth and not trying to disguise the wrong act.

The above post earlier is spot on.

The people that have a problem with the ad, are the ones with their own insecurities.

These insecurities are not just about sexuality,but also the way they look and the way they may dress themselves and compare themselves to others.

Who are these insecure people, you may ask ??

They are mostly one's who have bipolar tendencies such as being extremely upset one minute and then joyfully excited the next. They are also the one's that have underlying depression states and they try very hard to mask them by giving themselves a 'false' confidence. They will insist they are absolutely fine but then go and cry themselves to sleep............

................I could go on, but i think you get the picture. And you also know if i'm talking about YOU !!!!! :wow:

Is this how a Sikhs is to behave with others. Disagree with me all you want, but to go this far means you have some deep hatred for Sikhs that respect the institution of husband and wife in Sikhi and how men and women can behave with each other before marriage. Leave this kind of negativity to at the Guru's door so you can be healed by the grace of Satgur.

The Sikhs of the past would not even sit with another woman without her husband or brother or father present. So I am guessing you also believe these people had a problem with their sexual urges and could not control it. When I say Sikhs these are the soorma that we remember in our ardas everyday.

Be careful of what you say.

Are you dasam sarbloh Granth or his friend? Lol

I'm not calling you guys crazy just saying going after n30 like this isn't balanced. I disagree with him on a lot as do many people, but they never escalate into something personal.

I have been targeted by the person who goes by the screen name N30singh since I became a member, which has been only couple of days. I have been respectful to him, till the point he started the personal attacks. I honestly believe he is in his teens because of the way he discusses with others. I have no other information to go on here to say otherwise. I do not know who Sarbloh Granth username is. Never met him or spoke to him.

I think you guys are very paranoid and by looking at how long you guys have been on this site. I can say you have grown to think everyone is here to attack you.

kalki avatar is not coming yet long time away

I did not say it will happen now, but what the Bani says is already taking place. Therefore it is even more important to reveal this truth to Sikhs so they can fall at the feet of Guru ji and not follow fake leaders.

I might get so much flak from the sangat so I would not want to say.

brother why be scared to speak the truth? The answer is simple, a Sikh mother or woman would not stand in this way ever with anyone, except her husband. And only in private with her husband.

Many are saying Dasam Granth should not be parkashed, yet many stand up to protect Dasam Bani. The Sikhi Saroop comes from Dasam Bani so why let it be degraded to sexual appeal.

You making this as sexual but I am not. Even from western point of view this isn't sexual (if shot was done wearing shot skimpy clothing then i agree but this is just freindler. You already made assumptions on viewers and their interpertation of picture is not of husband and wife or two couples love each other waiting to get married.

Let me play devil's advocate did you eye her down? visualize what occured after that captured moment? The reason i am asking this obviously you spent great deal of your nitneem time over this picture - watched this picture from every angle?

Why you getting nervous? I hope you don't get that nervous when you read charitarpokyan which has many tales of men and woman screwing around (sexually, politically, emotionally) to gain power, have desires fullfiled and some of them are pretty graphic in tales itself.

You claimed in other thread that i m a kid sure i have silly kids moment from time to time with my ow n kids. But at this rate, you remind me of my fourteen year old nephew in india who gets off on dove soap commerical on tv during news break and then have nerve to get on a burn that witch attiutde after cleaning up.

Why would mata ji of khalsa stand next to another singh for protection, mata sahib devan is embodiment of aad shakti roop according to old traditional sikhi, she does not need another singh protecting her.

There is sakhi of mai bhago ji after bhramgyan start wandering around naked in almast avastha in soraj parkash granth. But you make it sound like our guru maharaj were wrathful guru's who would whipps the day lights of people without caring about ultimate intent factor of individuals/people.

Here is something for you-

ਮਿਲੀ ਮੁਕਤਿਸਰ ਭਾਗੋ ਮਾਈ । ਵਧੀ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਗੁਰ ਮਹਿਂ ਅਧਿਕਾਈ ।

ਰਹਿਬੇ ਲਗੀ ਦਿਗੰਬਰ ਸੋਈ । ਲਾਜ ਕਾਨ ਲੋਕਨ ਕੀ ਖੋਈ ।36।

Upon meeting [Guru Gobind Singh Ji] at Mukhstar, Mai Bhago's love for the Guru increased greatly, [to the extent that she] began living naked paying no attention to the publics [thoughts of] modesty and honour.

ਕਥਾ ਬੇਦ ਮਹਿਂ ਜਿਸ ਕੀ ਅਹੈ । ਨਾਮ ਗਾਰਗੀ ਨਗਨ ਸੁ ਰਹੈ ।

ਪਰਮਹੰਸਨੀ ਬਡ ਅਵਧੂਤਾ । ਤਿਮ ਭਾਗੋ ਗੁਰ ਢਿਗ ਅਵਧੂਤਾ ।37।

In the Vedas there is a story of [an asetic] named Gargee who lived naked. She was known as a Paramhansni [brahmgyani - but term also used for a section of the Sanyasi order], in this same way [Mai] Bhago was a great ascetic of the Guru.

ਗਰਵੀ ਸਾਂਗ ਹਾਥ ਮਹਿਂ ਧਰੈ । ਸਦਾ ਅਨੰਦ ਏਕ ਰਸ ਥਿਰੈ ।

ਕੇਤਿਕ ਮਾਸ ਨਗਨ ਜਬਿ ਰਹੀ । ਇਕ ਦਿਨ ਦੇਖਿ ਨਿਕਟ ਗੁਰ ਕਹੀ ।38।

While always remaining intoxicated in the flavour of the One Blissful Essence she would carry along with her a spear and a small metal pot in her hands. She remained naked for many months and one day when seeing the Guru, the Guru remarked:

'ਸੁਨਿ ਮਾਈ ਭਾਗੋ ਸਚਿਆਰੀ । ਕੁਲ ਨੈਹਰਿ ਸਸੁਰਾਰਿ ਉਬਾਰੀ ।

ਪਰਮਹੰਸ ਆਵਸਥਾ ਪਾਈ । ਤੁਝ ਕੋ ਦੋਸ਼ ਨ ਲਗੈ ਕਦਾਈ ।39।

"Listen oh truthful Mai Bhago, do not destroy your lineage and the [honour] of your In-Laws. [However] You have obtained the state of Paramhans [brahmgyani] and you will not be blamed for anything.

ਰਹਨਿ ਦਿਗੰਬਰ ਤੁਝ ਬਨਿ ਆਈ । ਇਕ ਰਸ ਬ੍ਰਿੱਤਿ ਭਈ ਲਿਵਲਾਈ ।

ਤਨ ਹੰਤਾ ਸਭਿ ਰਿਦੇ ਬਿਨਾਸ਼ੀ । ਪਾਯੋ ਪਰਮ ਰੂਪ ਅਬਿਨਾਸੀ ।40।

You [have become comfortable] remaining naked; your mind is continuously attached to the flavour [of Paramatmaa]. The ego of your body has been destroyed in your heart; you have obtained the Highest Indestructible form.

ਤਊ ਸੰਗ ਤੂੰ ਰਹਤਿ ਹਮਾਰੇ । ਪਹਿਰਿ ਕਾਛੁ ਲਘੁ ਸਿਰ ਦਸਤਾਰੇ ।

ਊਪਰ ਚੀਰ ਚਾਦਰਾ ਲੀਜੈ । ਦੇਹ ਅਛਾਦਹੁ ਸਮਾ ਬਿਤੀਜੈ । ' 41।

However even then you live with us, [for this reason], put on a Kach [underwear] and on your head tie a small Dastaar [turban]. Cover your body from now on with a shawl [Chadra]."

ਸੁਨਿ ਗੁਰ ਹੁਕਮ ਮਾਨ ਤਿਨ ਲੀਨਾ । ਬਸਤ੍ਰ ਸਰੀਰ ਅਛਾਦਨ ਕੀਨਾ ।

ਕਰ ਮਹਿਂ ਸਾਂਗ ਸਦਾ ਗਹਿ ਰਾਖੇ । ਰਹੈ ਸੰਗ ਗੁਰ ਕੇ ਅਭਿਲਾਖੇ ।42।

Listening to the command of the Guru, Mai Bhago agreed and covered her body with clothing. Holding her spear always in her hand, [Mai Bhago] forever held the desire to live alongside the Guru.

ਗੁਰਪ੍ਰਤਾਪ ਸੂਰਜ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸ਼ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ, ਐਨ ਪਹਿਲਾ, ਅਧਿਆਇ 22

Gurpratap Suraj Prakash Granth, 1st Ain, Chapter 22

If you were educated, or even took some common sense and used it you will understand that the photo is showing the man with a dastar as a sexually appealing for the woman.

Charitropakhyan warns a Sikh of the same actions that you want to call as honest and good behaviour in the photo. Guru Sahib has taken Charitropakhyan and given examples on how not to act with another woman that is not our wife.

All of Suraj Prakash Granth cannot be accepted and neither is it. The writer of Suraj Prakash Granth also said Ragmala is not the Bani of the Gurus. So if you are so inclined to quote from there as the truth. Also accept that Ragmala is not Bani of our Gurus.

The man in the picture is NOT amritdhari!If it was an amritdhari Singh with gurus bana then I would be against the picture but that picture has no amritdhari in it.At least the picture is not bringing turban wearing people down or putting them in a bad spot light.

Can Sikhs stand this way with a woman who they are not married too?

Would a Sikh woman stand in this fashion with another man? Would the Sikh woman who had their children limbs around their neck stand in this way with another man?

What do Sikhs say........my head can go, but my Sikhi teachings will never depart my mind and actions.

First off you don't know my age, so that is an OBVIOUS attempt of a very subtle insult. For someone who just wished may Satguru bless me, you have a weird way of showing it later on.

You seem paranoid and I've been through the phase you're in thinking Sikhi will be finished. No matter how much you talk about Sikhi and what manmat is going on, it doesn't help you even 0.000001%.

Bhagat Puran Singh Ji said it the best:

"Stop these mockeries and do not talk, but live. Do not be anxious to save Sikhi. Rest assured that Sikhi can take care of itself. Your only anxiety should be to save yourself."

Wish you CK "elder" bro.

I honestly love you like a little brother because you are showing these qualities. And I meant every word when I said Satgur should bless you. I am not scared or fear that Sikhi is being finished. I even said this in my last post to you. Be patient and read before you respond. I was speaking about how Sikhs are being misled and the truth is what we need to spread by reading Gurbani. I have stated that Guru ji has already prepared the plans to take Sikhi back by send Akal Purakh di fauj so I am not worried about Sikhi being destroyed. Dharm could not be finished by the Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Jews or any other religion or people. However peoples will come and go and it is our responsibility to spread the truth of Sikhi so they do not get sucked into groups that are trying to destroy them. You are a Sikh who stands by Gurbani. Gurbani says stand up for truth.

What is written in Kalki Avatar is already folding before our eyes and I am not fighting this as it is my Guru's Bani. But make others understand that you are being misled to follow the worship of stones that cannot protect you once the soul leaves the body and neither can they protect you now.

jeda shisha ganda onoo sara ganda deedaa

one who's glasses are dirty - sees everything as dirty

Menu vi sayings aunde ah

Also is that a threat? I see I've hit a nerve.

This is why you do not understand why this picture is wrong. Your thinking is just like a childs. Little brother the fire is the wrong acts that have spread throughout the Khalsa Panth by many different groups. Since your understanding is very low you do not understand how quick Sikhi is being finished by forces who pretend to be Sikhs.

The Sikhs of history will be coming back to take Sikhi back to what it is. Either you can read Dasam Bani and realize this occurrence and join the Sikhs who will be stand next to them with the Nishan Sahib flying high or you can be the opponent of these Gurmukhs.

Guru Gobind Sahib Ji came down for the welfare of the Khalsa and now Guru Gobind Sahib ji has left us Kalki Avatar among Bachittar Natak to study and realize the truth of this world. Guru ji will be sending his Akaal di Fauj to deliver the justice in the world. Sant Jarnail Singh uttered the same words. I am not scared or fear any of these forces that are trying to destroy Sikhi. I am simply here to tell the truth. I have no desire to keep going here.