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3 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

actually porn is part of the zionist agenda to undermine/subvert other moralistic faiths, family structures and societal values of non-zion countries so they can be subdued and brought under the rule of the one world regime. 

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are you serious? 

6 hours ago, Dsinghdp said:

Pakistanis speak excellent Punjabi. Our Punjabi is shifting towards Hindi.

Their Panjabi itself has shifted towards Urdu. It's happening on both sides.

6 hours ago, YOYO29 said:

Seriously ? How much language has been changed in mere 70 years ?

I'm not speaking solely in regards to language, though that would be one notable point. But also of the culture, demographics, and social climate which are influenced by a wide array of factors which then in turn influence language. 

language can change fairly enough in 70 years.

4 minutes ago, ipledgeblue said:

Actually some of the higher class people in uk are part of hunting clubs which use horses. Some of their shikkar is foxes. PErhaps UK Singhs could adapt this to something else?

If we talk about modern combat. It would require learning how to pie an area, Assembling and disassembling rifles and handguns along with their anatomy and the science of it all, Learning how to move at any needed pace and adjust your aim and focus accordingly, surveilling or clearing any given area, etc. It's a lot. Here in the US, we have former Navy Seals and Marines who run training camps for any interested adult. They teach what they know. You guys should look for  something similar in the UK.

The best way to find out about Dhumma is to talk to recent dissidents and defectors of Mehta, Sangrawan wale, or with Ajnale wale. Otherwise, it's just useless drivel.

Dhumma doesn't have character "flaws" or makes mistakes that could be forgiven due to him being human, he's a Gunda and Badmaash. He has not an ounce of human morality with him.

On 8/14/2017 at 5:19 AM, chatanga said:

 

Why would badal give Ram Singh recognition as head of the taksal if he had planted Harnam Singh as the head?

Harnam Dhumma became more favorable in his eyes as the years went on.

Porn exists because an overwhelming, near totality of humanity, particularly males, that have access to such content will use it, creating a motive to profit off of it. Humans have kaam, and a sexual drive that can be satisfied by pornography.

It's quite simple, really. 

On 9/6/2017 at 3:22 AM, ipledgeblue said:

This will be slow but should happen. Dasam bani knowledge is urgently needed for sikhs all over the world. If sikhs had chartripakhyan knowledge gyaan it could help with the kanjar dating stuff and drink pub club smoke culture mentality bringing us down. Also dasme pathsha banis promote the mind to support carrying shastar. Sarbloh Granth will take more difficulty for panth to understand, but is required.

Slowly, slowly need to bring banis back into nitnem before these changes. 

-bring more dasam banis into nitnem, and promote longer Chaupai Sahib and Tav prasad Swaiye. Add Chandi banis and shastarnaam mala. some gurdwaras I see are now doing the longer Chaupai paat. Sampooran Rehraas and also full Aarti Aarta with Guru Gobind Singh ji baniya, not the short one they do in Harimandir Sahib. THEN, things will change.

However, also remember that alot of parkash might be done by Chakarvarti Singhs or outside gurdwaras. Remember rehati Singhs might be living outside and travelling. Gurdwaras had much more sehajdhari sangat before Singh Sabha movement, so may have just had Adi Guru Granth parkash. In fact, there were gurdwaras that just had shastar prakash only, and no granth parkash. This would have reduced beadbi greatly, as Adi Granth saroop were handwritten and larivaar, and not SGPC printing press copies. The saroop would more likely be at gurdwaras with sewadaars, and not lonely, quiet gurdwaras. Now that gurdwaras are controlled by amrit dharis, why are the gurdwaras still only parkash Adi Guru Granth, this is more like sehajdhari gurdwara. If the mahants have been removed, then why are gurdwaras only concentrating on bani for wider panth and not Khalsa panth. It is making gurdwaras into sehajdhari gurdwaras, and sehajdhari mentaltiy - this would be pefectly fine for gurdwaras that are not under khalsa panth and under sehajdharis or sehajdhari mahants

 

I think it might have been this forum where I read words of Guru Gobind Singh, where the pothis are consider siblings or children of Adi Granth. Parkash of pothis can be done a bit lower or nearby.

instead of the gatka dancing done by mainstream, we should have archery and shooting ranges set up in the big gurdwaras. Look how much space there is in Singh Sabha Havelock Southall! LEarning archery and shooting is much more useful then modern gatka.

shastar vidiya (or i guess some gatka) is important, but only if we can find the correct teachers. otherwise need to complement with martial arts. But also important to have wrestling/mal yudh and kabaddi also aids in this. Remember Guru Angad setup up wrestling akharas. So why are we not doing this? And most of the kabaddi players are moneh, why are amrit dharis not picking this up? see some aspects of shastar vidiya such as mal yudh/wrestling is easily available yet we are not implementing it!

In regards to your point about shooting. A Khalsa would need to accomodate and thoroughly educate him/herself with modern warfare and weaponry, How can you UK wale do that in the UK? 

You people only have access to airsoft ammo, and I'm not sure what kind of guns, but probably not the kind that are similar to modern weaponry. Being a skilled shooter or gunman (let alone Soldier)  isn't just about accurately aiming and pulling a trigger. 

16 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

More complicated than that. It's more of a battle between Reformist branches v.s. Traditional branches.

 the Singh Sabha saw themselves as Revivalists or those reverting via Reforming. 

On 9/6/2017 at 5:06 AM, Mahakaal96 said:

Doesn't prove anything.

first padd ched saroop & Gutka Sahibs were written by shaheed Bhai Mani Singh Ji .... some in puratan sampardai believe that Bhai Mani Singh being cut bhund by bhund was the price they had to pay for cutting Gurbani up into padd ched saroop.... which was actually done by Bhai Mani Singh to assist the panth in the future by making Gurbani easier to read for the masses.

Bhai Mani Singh Ji didn't do Padd Chedd (splitting the conjoined words) of Guru Sahib Ji's sarroop, he rearranged the Banis. The Sarroop was probably still Larrivaar. 

The Panjabi language is very diverse in terms of it's dialects. 

I know of a few pinds were the locals say 'Mai Aanda' instead of 'Mai Kehna'. 

Places like Sangrur strip their words of all Bindis. 

Despite all the pressure to kill Panjabi, the Panjabi music and movie industry is probably what's keeping it alive and popular (kuch ta changa kita). 

A severely threatened dialect as of now is Khalsai Boli or Garr Gaj Bola which is losing speakers rapidly. 

11 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

agreed the himichal folks speak Potohari and can hold perfect Punjabi conversation easily - own experience in 2015.

haranvi - is just a made up language to drive home the hindi suba argument , most understand and speak punjabi. it's all spineless behaviour from Hindu panjabis who have no love for their mother land or tongue

you just need to read to understand just how widely spoken Punjabi is , it is now Canada's most spoken immigrant language , I think true in UK too.

I think it's just some kind of Pahari dialect. I hear what they call 'Potwari' or 'Bhappaya di Upboli' in Delhi, Khanna, Gurgaon, and parts of UP. 

In the case of Haryanvi, most northern and central Haryanvi speakers are arguably those who reverted to speaking Hindi from their previous Panjabi dialects,  they still have certain inflections, style, speech rhythms and accents that are very similar to Panjabi. There are  pure breed Panjabi Hindus in the middle of Jalandhar who can't/won't speak Panjabi despite living there all their lives.

12 hours ago, YOYO29 said:

here is kullu song and i can't understand a single word apart from this line "Duniya Hundi Buri,Dhoka na khaana'
and i am born Punjabi and lived my entire life in rural Punjab.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z-bEkgw4TE

By going your loose definition of Punjabi many districts in Azad Kashmir and Occupied Jammu n Kashmir can be classified as Punjabi.Una was part of Hoshiarpur district so i can't tell about it how it ended up In himachal ,may be because of its hindu majority.But that is entirely another debate i.e Hindus declaring their languages as Hindi instead of Punjabi in order to stop the division of punjab perhaps they were afraid of another bloody partition. So due to Hindu declaring their languages as Hindi some overwhelmingly punjabi speaking areas ended up in haryana.

And about other cities you have mentioned i can't verify their language status as i don't have first hand knowledge of these cities.But still the fact remains that there were districts which were not punjabi speaking but only for administrative purpose attached to Punjab after 1857 war.And it makes no sense in keeping these non punjabi areas as part of punjab.Anyways if these cities are in Haryana and HP that means they are Hindu majority.And if they were to include in Punjab it would have reduced sikh's status as majority.

Like I said, Hindi is rather new there. Your Panjab is not the same as our Panjab. There's a significant difference. 

That could be debatable, there is a siginificant Sikh population in those areas, so it would tilt the scale in our favor. Secondly, most of the Sikhs in UP, Madhya Pradesh, Bikaner, and Delhi should have been kept in those areas to balance the population out and to maintain our status.

to Address your points about the dialects, I have spent a lot of life in East Panjab, so I have acquainted myself with many of the dialects there.

As for that song, the dialect is very close to the one spoken in Chandigarh, Panchkula, and parts of Patiala. Theth Pawadhi. It even bears resemblence with rural Ludhianvi boli. And It has some Hindi and Pahari influence noticably. 

On 9/5/2017 at 9:09 AM, jkvlondon said:

please i read that apart from beadbhi of Dasam Granth the perpetrator called the granth full of filth and threw it from the window and it was not mentioned that person was a nihang but someone in the Singh Sabha movement determined to remove the Granth from its rightful place by Guru ji's side. has no one considered the position that the two Granths of Dasmesh Pita ji act as pehradars/generals of the Guru organising the fauj? 

That's interesting considering the Singh Sabha had a lot of pro-Sri Dasam Granth Sahib individuals (even Bhasaur Singh Sabha did, before it went downhill).

On 9/4/2017 at 10:25 PM, YOYO29 said:

Haryana and Himchal are not Punjabi speaking areas. Districts of Gurgaon,Rohtak and Hissar were not part of punjab.These district were added to Punjab after 1857 war of Independence. Himachal and Haryana people have  weird accent,dialect (more closer to hindi) and they can't be classified as Punjabi.And without carving out haryna and himachal from East Punjab there would have been no Sikh majority.

That's not entirely true.  The northern districts of Haryana and Western districts of Himachal spoke and still do speak some form of Panjabi. Hindi in Ambala, Panchkula, Sirsa, Fatehabad, Jind, Shimla, Una, Solan, Chamba, Western Kangra, Bilaspur, and Kurukshetra is rather new. Hindi was promoted The dialects spoken are more closer to Panjabi than to Hindi. I can go to Kullu and have no difficulty with language there as far as Panjabi is concerned. 

On 8/17/2017 at 4:51 AM, superkaur said:

 

yeah its worrying how heavily biased they are however If our pathetic weak cowardly left wing Sikhs of today are not willing to raise a fess like muslims and jews can you blame the bbc for not taking advantage by promoting islam/muslim issues and not other faiths or painting others in negative light?

Modern Sikhs of today if they werent so brainwashed to be liberal lefty and more right wing like muslims and jews then we would not see this. We would see Sikhs protesting every act of anti-sikh incident or portrayal in the media.

 

Word ?

On 4/17/2017 at 0:31 AM, dallysingh101 said:

You would have thought US and Canadian Singhs would have been at the forefront of weapons training amongst our people given the ease of access to such things in those respective countries?

Ohhh we are  

If one finds it hard to be an amritdhari. Best to be a Sehajdhari instead.

On February 11, 2015 at 9:02 AM, jkvlondon said:

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

having read an extract translation of this book , I am curious to read the whole either in Punjabi or Translation any ideas where I could get a pdf or hard copy?

Punjab digital library has a copy. 

In accordance with Bhai Daya Singh's Rehatnama, there are five colors: saya, safed, Basanti, neel, and Surmaee. So black, white, yellow, blue, and steel-blue/grey.

11 hours ago, pardesanbibbi2 said:

Karl Marx's theory is as valid today as it was in his day and age! Religion is an opiate of the poor, uneducated, oppressed and the ignorant masses!  It is a tool in the hands of the few powerful to control the powerless ignorant disadvantaged masses. This is exactly what was happening when the first Sikh Guru Nanak came to this world. The Hindu priests knew how to control ignorant masses with religious doctrines which they minipulated  and misinterpreted to serve their interests! Then the Ottoman rulers used religion to convert masses of indigenous Indians! I am not incorrect. 

Stop playing the multiple ids card when you lose your patience or your argument. Besides, education is not just a piece of paper, it signifies expansion of one's mind and thinking, which the great philosopher and thinker possessed. You cannot compete with his fine thinking and philosophy. 

On 8/9/2016 at 0:44 PM, N30S1NGH said:

Closed conditioned mind driven by ideology, concept, personality, group worship unfortunately unable to see infinite ocean wisdom of Guru maharaj as its not open and receptive towards it. It's life is just like frog being conditioned to only well. Good news is its only psychological not biological limitations and super good news is that closed conditioned mind is one step away from full embrace from Guru sahib all it had to do is drop its conditioning and go back to its innocence of open and receptivity to eternal endless possibilities. 

When you say close conditioned mind, are you referring to people who do not believe in Raagmala?