canadasingh

Buddasingh I think you choose to be blind to the facts like people who think 9 11 was done by united states govt or cia

Secondly if I could post links I would post the link from air india inquiry and what the judge said in 2012 to malik

The judge in the case and in air india inquiry shows evidence was strong hence why malik was never repaid his legal expensise by the canadian govt and the judge also pointed out the acquittal does not mean innocence

Why did talwinder parmar say air india airplanes would fall from the sky and tell sikhs to boycott air india?

Who did inderjeet reyat make the bombs for?

Sorry buddasingh I think you have bin brain washed

Question for people why did inderjeet reyat make the bombs and why were him and talwinder parmar testing one of the bombs in the forest three weeks before air india??

Or are you going to say the corrupt govt of india was able to sneak in agents like james bond style who came to canada with fake passports and drugged inderjeet reyat into making the bombs then when talwinder parmar and inderjeet reyat went for a friendly walk the govt agents set off one of the bombs inderjeet reyat made in the forest to frame them

An talwinder parmar was worried that bad weather would cause air india planes to fall from the sky

An bagri when a crowd yelled death to hindus and bagri said he would not rest till he killed 50 000 hindus that was all actors and computer graphic effects

That event never took place it was all computer effects which involved raw and bollywood

So when johal went to the airport the james bonds followed him n went to the airport n made sure their bombs got checked onto the flight, while their suit cases got loaded onto the airplane they boycotted the doomed flight n decided to go to disneyland to meet israeli spies\israeli james bonds and started planning 9 11 and framing osama bin laden cause many muslims claim the muslims couldn't do 911 it had to bin the jews

singh4peace the supreme court judge ian josephson who acquitted malik and bagri also said being acquitted does not mean malik and bagri were innocent

in Canada the legal system prefers to let a guilty man off the hook then send a innocent man to jail

judge had to follow the rules

the system isn't perfect and yes guilty men walk free

ian josephson said the evidence was strong but what destroyed the case were the witnesses

one being inderjeet reyat who ian josephson accused of lieing 27 times

as well as the star witness who malik had an affair with at the khalsa school admitted during trial she had a hard time testifying against him cause she still loved him and couldn't keep her story straight

talwinder parmar who said air india airplanes would fall from the sky

also cowardly surrendered like a sheep and was tortured and rated out his buddies yet some Sikhs want to call him a lion

malik has an affair with another women isn't that very anti sikhi I don't understand how some Sikhs consider themselves amritdhari yet support malik I think their sheep who were to scared to fight for khalistan

bagri said he wouldn't rest till 50 000 hindus were killed

and inderjeet reyat made the bombs

the judge who acquitted these guys also said they aint innocent

Canada America England have let murderers off the hook many times the most famous being oj simpson

singh4peace why did you use the book soft target to try to claim these guys were innocent when the book clearly states their guilty

plus in the trial the roles malik and bagri were accused of were

malik was the one who helped fund air india bombing by help paying for the plane tickets

and that bagri knew about the plot considering how tight he was with talwinder parmar and inderjeet reyat and that he was always with them

look at indo Canadian gang murders and how some of them have bin hard to convict cause the burden of proof required is so high

ron dosanjh and jim dosanjh were leaders of the Sikh youth federation and very pro khalistan and drug dealers

bindy johal a scum bag who got a lot of Punjabi youth hooked to drugs went on the news and threatened to kill ron dosanjh after jim dosanjh had bin murdered

he basically said he would shoot ron dosanjh between the eyes an few week laters that's what happened yet bindy johal and his crack head friends were

let off the hook

the guy basically told tv reporters he was going to murder ron dosanjh and how he would kill him

ron dosanjh got murdered the way the tv reporters had bin told he would be murdered

an still was found innocent so think about that when you think about the Canadian justice system

yes the leaders of the Sikh youth federation were drug dealers who got involved in drug war

I say inderjeet reyat should be forced to take polygraph test and asked questions about air india

if he lies then torture him till the polygraph test shows he's telling the truth

with amount of pain he caused he deserves it

I never claimed god favours rapist over shaheeds

could you point out were I said this

bobbymann75 how do I oppose Sikh freedom

I want a Punjab to be run by real Sikhs and not corrupt politicans

bobbymann75 do you believe in god

do you believe that god helps and has helped Sikhs when they are fighting for a good cause

do you think maybe god helped the shaheeds and rewarded them after but didn't give rest of the Sikhs a khalistan cause they didn't deserve it

do you think if lets say 20% of Sikhs had the hearts of shaheeds do you think that god would of given Sikhs khalistan

if 90% of Sikhs continue to allow corrupt politicans to run Punjab how would khalistan run

sikh4peace that's a good topic to talk about Sikhs killed in punjab

but this topic is about air india and you implied that bagri and malik are innocent yet say book soft target shows how indian govt did the attack

sikh4peace could you answer why soft target says talwinder parmar malik and their crew did air india bombing and were used by the indian

govt

killing of innocent life be it 1 or 100 or 1000 deserve justice

dashmesh1984

did parmar or malik or bagri or reyat play roles in air india bombing

malik was main financier for bki

parmar went around saying air india planes would fall from the sky

reyat made the bombs

bagri said he would not rest ill he killed 50 000 hindus

talwinder parmar was considered the leader of babbar khalsa international

sukhdev babbar was leader of the babbar khalsa which was in india

on topic of air india

talwinder parmar and his crew went around telling people in gurdwaras to boycott air india cause air india planes would fall from the sky

cause of this most Sikhs did boycott air india at the time

bagri said he would not rest till he killed 50 000 hindus

malik financed the group

reyat bought and made the bombs

why did talwinder parmar ask people to boycott air india and claim they would fall from the sky

why did bagri say he won't rest till he killed 50 000 hindus

why did malik finance these guys

why did reyat make bomb

some people say indian govt did the air india bombing cause book soft target

but book soft target says talwinder parmar and buddies did air india bombing but were working for the indian govt

its only funny when people say soft target and that talwinder parmar and his crew didn't do air india but it was the indian government

but the book soft target says talwinder parmar and his crew did air india bombing and made these claims in late 80's only thing the book adds is that they were working

for the indian govt

bhagat singh was labelled a freedom fighter and terrorist but he did not target innocent civilians

Osama bin laden has bin labelled a freedom fighter and a terrorist but he targeted innocent civilians so he is a terrorist

acsap how would a Sikh country prosper with no ocean and having to use Pakistan and india ocean ports to conduct trade

I don't think acsap and bobbymann75 understand what type of impact trade has on a nations economy today

when you cripple a countries ability to trade you cripple their economy

irans economy is being crippled by trade sanctions were as countries are boycotting trade with iran

Pakistan and india would make a Sikh country their economic slave

cause the Sikh country would have to agree to pakistans and india's demands when importing and exporting goods and services

and of course Pakistan and india are going to make demands to exploit the Sikh country

siikhs are hard working and prosperous though many of the young generation are extremely spoiled and don't have the work ethics their parents do

hence why if Sikhs take back the state of Punjab from corrupt politicians and elect in politicians that follow the Sikh philosophy

but for people to vote in good politicians they need to culturally change themselves

right now Punjab is being driven by materialism aka what car someone drives how big their house is and how much they spend on a wedding over following Sikh principles and helping the needy and uplifting humanity

Punjab needs a cultural revolution

bobbymann75 do you believe in god

do you believe that god is very powerful

do you ever wonder if that god didn't grant Sikhs khalistan cause they were not ready for a khalistan?

no one is hindutva india's slaves accept for those who are part of the hindutva movement

secondly hindutva movement wants to kill every single member of congress and killed mahatma Gandhi so hindutva and current party in power congress only have hate for each other

lately hindutva has bin trying to take out Rahul gandhi

I didn't say it makes it impossible for a countries economy with out an ocean but does make it hard

Kosovo is having trade problems but also don't have neighbours like a Sikh country would with Pakistan on one side and india on the other

please explain if Sikhs got their own country in 1947 how would they conducted trade with other countries

they would need to use india's and pakistans ports to conduct trade

making independent Sikh country economic slave to Pakistan and india

even today with air planes some trade could be done but then they have to negotiate with Pakistan and india in terms of using their air space to trade with other countries

not having an ocean makes it very difficult for a countries economy

best solution for Sikhs in Punjab is to have a cultural revolution focused on Sikh philosophy

that way we can start voting out corrupt politicans

and vote in politicians who follow Sikh philosophy of helping the poor and standing up to evil and corruption and trying to improve people's lives

bobbymann75 the arguments I made are not weak and do hold up

if you study 1947 and why many Sikh leaders stopped demanding a independent country and instead wanted a Sikh state you would understand its cause a Sikh country

in that region of south asia would become an economic slave to Pakistan or india

I know we can't post links on this site otherwise id just be posting links rather then talking so much

independent Sikh country means no ports cause their would be no ocean which means no trade

in order to trade an independent Sikh country would be at the mercy of Pakistan and india in order to use their ports for trade

we would need goods made in the Sikh country to be taken through Pakistan or india all the way down south to the ports in south india to load those goods onto ships and send them to other countries

at same time when it would come to trade when a Sikh country would receive goods once again it would have to negotiate with india and Pakistan in allowing them to use their ocean ports to bring in goods and services

should of said it better

not all babbar khalsa members were terrorists

their were a few bad apples in babbar khalsa

talwinder parmar and his crew and supporters

now many members of babbar khalsa were not terrorists but saint soldiers

but their were bad apples like talwinder parmar in the movement

and its bin said that talwinder parmar broke off from babbar khalsa and formed babbar khalsa international

terrorist is anyone who targets innocent people

America dropping atomic bombs on japan was act of terrorism

acsap

anyone who kills innocent people are terrorists

indian govt are terrorists

anti Sikh riots make them terrorists

also doing the air india bombing makes talwinder parmar and his crew terrorists

talwinder parmar and his crew claimed to be members of babbar khalsa

they also went around telling people to boycott air india flights cause they would fall from the sky

inderjeet reyat bought the materials for the bomb and put em together

now the book soft target claims the indian govt used talwinder parmar and his crew who called themselves babbar khalsa to do air india bombing

other theory is talwinder parmar and his crew acted on their own

which of these two theories do you believe is true??

bobbymann75 you cannot point out any facts in the documentary from the cbc air india that are lies or misleading

instead your defence is cbc is anti Sikh so the documentary is misleading and full of lies

yet you won't point out any lies or misleading facts in the documentary

watch the documentary and when you find any lies or misleading facts please point them out

before judging the documentary without watching it

regards to khalistan

problem is corruption in Punjab and in a democracy most Sikhs vote in corrupt politicians in punjab

usually around the world the greater the poverty the greater the corruption

leading causes of corruption are poverty and lack of education

I want a revolution in Punjab but if Punjab became its own country it would be in big trouble

for one it would have no trade routes

theirs no ocean by the Punjab and a khalistan would be surrounded by india and pakistan

india and Pakistan would have the upper hand when it came to negotiating trade policies

if khalistan wanted to export goods to lets say brazil then they would have to go through Pakistan and india to use their ports

and of course india and Pakistan would negotiate policies that would cripple khalistans economy

in 1947 this was actually what led many Sikh leaders to reconsider having their own country

so Sikhs demanded a state with greater amount of influence but Sikhs didn't get that

instead they got a state that was majority hindu in a democracy

reason for that was Punjab was hard to break up even more cause of water issues

so in the 60's after Sikhs fought bravely against Pakistan they got a state with majority Sikh population and the majority hindu parts of Punjab were broken off to himachal Pradesh and haryana

also Sikh political leaders in the corrupt akali party negotiated with the corrupt congress govt to allow Haryana to continue having access to Punjab's water cause other wise majority of the hindu farmers on Haryana side would never allowed Punjab to break up

akalis being politicians and corrupt politicians used water as a way to attack their political rivals in congress and make Sikhs vote for akalis

akalis pretended to fight for Sikhs instead they were corrupt politicians who wanted to get democratically elected for their own selfish need

even though akalis negotiated to give up a lot of the water rights in exchange for a Sikh majority state they used water to gain support

before Punjab was split into Punjab Haryana the congress party dominated hence another reason akalis used sikhi to get a state with majority Sikhs so they

could get into power

it was Sikh elected political leaders who negotiated with delhi to accept money and assistance in setting up the green revolution in Punjab cause Punjab had the best soil and india was a nation starving and full of famines

in exchange for assistance the Sikh elected politicians agreed to terms of allowing india to set the prices for the crops so they would be able to feed rest of india which was so poor that millions were starving

and they had to set the prices low so the poor could eat

but corrupt Sikh politicians who negotiated these terms out in exchange for assistance iin helping create the green revolution turned around and accused india of

stealing wealth from the Punjab by setting the prices

but it was those same corrupt politicans who agreed to those terms but reason they turned around and accused india of stealing Punjab's wealth was to help gain Sikh votes in up coming elections against the congress party

this is the stuff bhindranwale and his followers pointed out about the akali and is why bhindranwale was hardcore against the akalis

cause of trade problems in a khalistan is what kept bhindranwale from demanding a separate Sikh country when he started his campaign

but india govt controlled the media and saw bhindranwale starting a revolution and waking people up to stand up against these corrupt politicans and get people who follow Sikh principles into power

so the indian govt used the media to try to discredit bhindranwale an attack him and his followers

having talked to family members of one of the saint soldiers who stood by bhindranwale before and during operation blue star they said reason their son and bhindranwale and rest of the soldiers armed the harmandar sahib and went into the harmandar sahib was cause it was the only place they could wake up thousands of Sikhs to the corruption around them

cause bhindranwale couldn't use the media to do this so harmandar sahib was the best way to trigger a sikhi revolotion

and knowing that politicans in Punjab were scared that soon their corrupt butts might be thrown out bhindranwale and his followers knew they had to be armed to the teeth cause the indian govt would try anything to try to shutup bhindranwale

now most allied countries have their armies and special forces train each other

considering the indian govt and british govt were friends at the time it shouldn't be a surprise that british and indian military personal trained along side each other and that the indian govt asked for advice

as for british govt being anti Sikh I think that's pushing it to far

read the book a soldier recalls by s k sinha who confirms what the family members said about why the saint soldiers had gone in

its a great book to read to see a larger part of operation bluestar

also in the book it talks about Indira Gandhi govt wanting to teach a lesson and wanting to hit bhindranwale movement hard hoping operation bluestar would end the revolution

what sk sinha wanted to do was allow the media to operate in Punjab and surround the harmandar sahib with soldiers but rather then using violence he wanted to use a non violent way of having bhindranwale and his saint soldiers leave the harmandar sahib which was have the media their to witness the entire event ask for civilians to leave the harmandar sahib and let everyone know that they were cutting off any inflow of food and water electricity into the harmandar sahib

in june in india summer were its hot cutting off water is a big deal and cutting off electricity is a big deal cause all the food would go bad within a couple of days and cutting off food would be a big deal trying to starve people out

Indira Gandhi govt disagreed to this approach and wanted full scale war on bhindranwale and his saint soldiers hoping to send fear into people not to stand up to the corrupt politicans

these tactics were later used in operation black thunder when some of the Sikh militants went into the harmandar sahib hoping the indian govt would attack it again like operation bluestar hoping it would trigger a revolution the second time and all Sikhs stood up and demanded khalistan

k what was so biased about the documentary

could you point out any lies told in the documentary or misleading facts?

if you are going to claim the documentary is biased you could point out lies and misleading facts provided

as well the theory of jasbir rode being behind the air india bombing comes from a Punjab police who was involved in torturing talwinder parmar

his claim was talwinder parmar did do the air india bombing but rode was the guy in charge of the whole operation

dashmesh 1984 according to Canadian intelligence talwinder parmar probably surrendered in order to be captured

I personally believe he did do air india bombing has a sheeps heart hence why he surrendered rather then fight like a lion and go out guns blazing

usually when someone is captured its cause they have chosen to surrender

bobbymann75 what lies have I spread

is mistaking babbar khalsa international for babbar khalsa a lie?

what is so biased about the youtube video I posted??

or do you believe its biased cause you believe the theory soft target offers which claims talwinder parmar and malik were working as double agents for india an did

the air india bombing??

their are only two theories that have bin offered out their that have bin strongly debated

one is talwinder parmar and his group did the bombing

second is talwinder parmar was a double agent and indian gov used him to do air india bombing

elusive fighter

having boxed when I was growing up and attending a mma gym to stay in shape I would have to say that article you posted attacking mma in real life scenerios is misleading

their are some martial arts schools that are a waste of money and time

their are some martial arts school that do teach and people do learn some self defence techniques

many people I know who train in mma have turned their backs to traditional martial arts claim that many traditional martial arts looks good cause of choreography

but take away the choreography and give unpredictable situations and most people see that most these techniques in traditional martial arts don't work in real life

most traditional martial arts look great in Hollywood movies when you have Jackie chan taking on an army but that's Hollywood

when it comes to real life those same techniques tend to not work when someone is up against someone who knows how to street fight

when it comes to boxing and mma most gyms that I have seen have students who go their to learn self defence and use the sport as a way to improve their skill sets

that's what competition does it helps people become better

same time ppl learn how to kick in the groin or punch someone in the throat or strike their spine

for example the head movement techniques you learn in boxing are very effective in street fights

if you youtube how to win a street fight with head movement you'll see how effective it is

training in boxing and learning head movement and striking for 2 to 5 years of hard work shows how effective these techniques are in street fights

youtube fightsmarttrav to see how mma is used in street fights and what is tought in mma gyms when it comes to self defence

also their is www.howtofightnow.com

also youtube nick drosses

youtube three atackers vs couple nick

you get to see how all these claims made by traditional martial arts instructors about mma just being a sport not used in street fights is all lies

as well united states military has brought in mma fully and have soldiers training in mma and encourage soldiers to train in mma and have mma events to help soldiers build hand to hand combat skills

mma is the number one skill set used by the us military when it comes to preparing their soldiers for hand to hand combat

even navy seals green berets use mostly combat ji jitsu and mma techniques for training in hand to hand combat

martial arts evolve and thanks to mma we seen more evolution in martial arts in last 20 years then we did in the previous 1000 years cause competition creates innovation

modern martial arts used in mma take techniques from different traditional martial arts that work and improve those techniques while leaving out techniques that don't work

many will say comparing traditional martial arts to modern martial arts is like comparing a car from the 1970's to cars made today

as time goes on innovation takes place when competition is involved

reason TV's and computers and cell phones keep getting better is cause free market competition

reason mma now is so popular and so many are signing up for mma is same reason cause competition creates innovation and a better product

won't let post youtube link

but youtube cbc air india bombing

and listen to the 4 min mark to 7 min mark

babbar khalsa across Canada was telling Sikhs to stay off of air india airplanes cause they would fall from the sky

its a really good documantry and most ppl involved in air india have passed away

talwinder parmar had surrendered to the indian govt and was tortured by Punjab police till he gave up all the information he knew about babbar khalsa

and then had bin murdered according to Canada intelligence

their are some Sikhs who consider these guys heroes and think air india was a good thing

but 99% of them are sheeps and at heart who just follow what they think is cool

a true soldier with a lions heart would consider these guys cowards for murdering innocent people flying on an airplane while the terrorists sat at the safety of their homes in canada

the real lions and soldiers went to india to fight and would not cowardly attack innocent helpless people

a true soldier with a lions heart believes in taking the fight to the enemy and would not get innocent victims involved

for people who consider air india a good thing

if your loved one was on that flight would you still feel the same way and be happy that only one person has bin charged and convicted with the crime

if you support air india bombing yet wouldn't support it if your loved on was on it then doesn't that make you a sheep just following the crowd rather then having your

own convictions

the first comment about not reading soft target book was intended for singh4peace

sing4peace had you read soft target you would of known the book accuses talwinder parmar of bombing air india but also accuses talwinder parmar of being a double agent