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Any Sikh who does charity and voluntary work for fellow Sikhs in need has to be admired and may waheguru bless them and their families.

However any Sikh who openly volunteers for communities that openly want to end our very existence or see that we are oppressed as 2nd class citizens due to their backward religious doctrines then those Sikhs clearly are low IQ or ignorant of guru ka langar and "sarbat da bhalla" concept and lack foresight in what they are doing. Clearly buying bibles and qurans for  impoverished  communities around the world is against Sikhi full stop. Sikhs should be propagating Sikhi to these people so that we have new adherents to the faith from diverse backgrounds.

We need to ask why are 1.8 billion muslims only doing charities to help their own yet our low IQ langarjeet dhimmified people want to help that community yet cant not see the suffering of afghan sikhs, pakistani sikhs, kashmiri sikhs, indian sikhs.

A Sikh charity should be just that.... a charity for Sikhs. If a charity is using Sikh names and Sikh iconography yet concentrating majority of their work in helping non-Sikhs at the expense of sikhs in dire need then it has betrayed not only Sikhs but the faith aswell. Therefore Sikhs themselves should boycott such fake and scamming organisations and donate to or create truly Sikh propagation charities only.

Reminds me of the american yogi bhajan 3HO scammers who used Sikh name and icongraphy, dressed up as Sikhs yet openly stated in US court papers they were not Sikhs.

Question I would ask is why are majority of blacks so quite and not vocal when Sikhs and asians in general are harmed and victimsed by violent black racists in their communities based in the west. Where are the black Sikh converts and why are they not coming to defense of their fellow brothers and sisters in faith?

To be honest we as a community can learn alot from majority of muslims. They have zero tolerance to any left wing groups or individuals trying to dilute their right wing or sometimes far right national socialism islamic doctrine narratives.

I was watching some social media tiktok live streams recently and saw muslim guys openly telling white girls and non-muslim girls in general to cover up before talking to them and some of these girls actually did it. They encourage non-muslim girls to try fasting with them for ramadan even our low IQ punjabi Sikh and hindu girls fall for that trap too. They are normalising islamification and subversion of non-muslim societies and cultures using soft power. Every other day you will hear some muslim calling their mate "an akhi" which is brother. They will say astagfirullah subhallah inshallah to make it the norm for their peers to use. This is slow process islamification of society.

Sikhs in turn should also use this technique start calling unrighteous actions adharmic and manmukhs. Start raising the youth to make Sikhi fashionable and not some low numbers obscure dying punjabi cult that people should not convert to like some low IQ lazy liberal lefty drunk wasteman "Sikhs" seem to think it should be. Sikhs need to up their game become the truley global faith that it rightly should be. "Sanu key" janta learnt the hard way that inaction will only lead to their daughters and sisters got groomed and converted to islam since 1980s.

Hindutva and islamic groups are both bad as each other the problem is they will and have dragged Indian Sikhs and others into their conflicts.

What I found disturbing about the video is that the same household items the Indian muslim guy spokesman has talked about was used in the 1984 anti-sikh genocide in delhi. And we know a significant portion of indian congress terrorist party mobs were Indian muslims as shown in FIR's at the time. And salman khurshad indian musllim congress party member wrote in his book Indian muslims took satisfaction for the mass murder of innocent Sikh civilians as revenge for 1947 riots.

We also know in the recent 2019 delhi riots after president trump visited. The RSS hindtva mobs fought with delhi muslim mobs targeted houses, property and businesses of each other but muslim mobs also targetted property of Delhi Indian Sikhs also who had no conflict with either group. In fact it was ironic that it was only the lefty Indian Sikhs who supported the indian muslims in shaheen bagh movement. But it just proved the cucked lefty simpy langari langarjeet dhimmified Sikhs who had given them langar and support were to be to be rewarded with violent attacks.

They have a sick evil far right mentality, I've seen it on all on twitter and instagram. No point arguing with them they are too far brainwashed to reason with. They hate Islam and muslims the most which can be justified because of hindu and indian history and Sikhs the 2nd most for helping oppressed muslims in trouble in india. They also hate christian missionaries which is understandable as they are parasites which prey on the vulnerable and poor hindu/sikh communities.

Sad thing is aspects of hinduism are beautiful and there's alot of wisdom in their scriptures alot to be learned but instead of concentrating on promoting hinduism and trying to build bridges with other dharmic communities they are destroying everything in the name of hindu nationalism. It's a bit like our own crazy hardcore ultra Sikh nationalists where they concentrate more on counter-attacking hinduism and are involved deeply in Punjab or gurdwara political issues rather than promoting Sikhi to non-Sikhs and helping them convert so that there are more Sikhs in the world.

The hindu nationalists/extremists keep falling into the trap of creating own goals. When they spend more time attacking Islam, muslims and Sikhs rather than promoting the virtues of Hinduism. I seen a few videos of ex-hindu nationalists who later became Sikh or muslim because they found no spirituality or love in what they was involved in. What i learnt over the years is that hate and anger is powerful in short term impact but long term love and empathy has a more powerful effect in changing minds of the opposition.

Sikhs can learn alot of lessons from these issues. Every time an enemy attacks Sikhi, use that attack not to counter attack with the same hate and filth but counter it with promoting Sikhi to that community. Make propaganda even promoting ex-muslims to Sikhi, ex-christians to sikhi, ex-hindu to sikhi. Turn the negative into a positive.

Why has this thread been diverting to a hair issue (keshdhari/amritdhari/mona)? so weird

Anyways getting back to the topic ....something about deep sidhu and others around him just doesn't sit right with me not saying he is an indian govt agent just yet but I remember reading somewhere on the net about when Indira gandhi sanctioned R&AW to help finance, arm and train up tamil tigers to wage war against sri lanka at the same time it is alleged an offshoot group within the R&AW also helped form BKI and other "sikh militant" groups to play both sides of the field. And if you see how many arms they had there was no way they could have had those modern weapons without the help of insiders within the Indian army and establishment.

And its said that deep sidhu famous relative is a BK militant who was allegedly killed by the indian state in 1984 before op blue star. We know from history that a few credible sources in books and interviews over the years it is said that sant bhindranwale and his DDT followers had a minor gun battle with the BK group where Sant was eventually forced to shift from nanak niwas and into sri akal takht sahib. We know from 2014 released govt papers that operation sundown was proposed around the same time but was allegedly canceled by indira gandhi, the operation prior to operation blue star where they had allegedly had trained armed commando agents that had already infiltrated in nanak niwas ready to kidnapp/murder Sant bindranwale. But what wasn't released was information on who were these pro-government commando's? it seems to collaborate with the incident of the "inhouse" firefight between BK and DDT.

And if Akal Takht (the parliament and voice of the Sikh nation) was the main target of India's terrorist operation then BK militant group or those associated with it have either been knowing or unknowing been patsy puppets of the Indian establishment.

That is information is something all Sikhs worldwide should keep in mind and watch out for these suspicious elements (govt agents) trying to stir up useless violence in order to disrupt peaceful protests playing into the hands of the devious Indian establishment.

So embarrassing and own goal for the terrorist indian establishment trying to silence it's critics inside india and aboard.

After violating several human rights UN recognized legislation's. They go after greta thunberg and other celebs thinking they have judicial reach outside india using their corrupt dictatorial authoritarian powers.

The reason why most indian celebs dont come out in open support for the farmer protests or other protests is because of godi media and extremism from indian establishment RSS troll/hacking cyber warfare unit who wage a relentless social media hate campaign against anyone who doesnt follow their agenda and narrative. The fear and real world consequence for anyone brave enough to oppose the  indian dictatorship is terrorized through not just psychological means but also physical.

The problem the indian communities face is that legislation is being passed by anti-democratic and corrupt means meaning their is no auditing of powers that the state is aquiring. Which has real world impact on protests and those who voice opposition of the governments plans. So for example when an indian civili rights woman on twitter highlighted the injustices against farmers the delhi police issued her with a notice of investigation using  corrupt wide scope anti-human rights legislation they recently acquired by corrupt politicians who passed it in indian parliament without real debate and examination by judicial committee's.

They also passed anti-constitutional anti-human rights internet blocking legislation that has wide ranging reach meaning people from non-india countries social media posts/accounts and websites get suspended or terminated/shut down at the behest of corrupt RSS indian terrorist authoritarians.

There is no auditing going on on whats being pass and its wide ranging negative anti-democratic anti-fairness consequences hence why Modi thought he could just roll in the 3 anti-farmer laws without any opposition and debate and those who do raise their voices will be terrorised by tools of the state using legislation they passed in exactly the same way.

Rihanna the international music star has done more in 1 tweet with a few words highlighting and raising awareness of indian farmer issue than all of major news broadcasters in the west and bollywood stars who been silent on the issue or against the farmers.

https://twitter.com/rihanna/status/1356625889602199552

23 hours ago, garch said:

+the Khalsa is a standing army, if a structured leadership was there 100's of thousands would mobilise under it.

A highly skilled core of 500 would be able to mobilise the khalsa most effectively.

10 minutes ago, garch said:

It is sanctioned and expected by our guru sahiban, our history is quite clear on this. If we dont believe this it is a shame on us. When u say unsactioned whose blessing are u expecting/seeking?

The authority bestowed on the Akal Takht isn't for debate, it isn't being utilised..  

We are under attack already, how much weaker do we want to get before regrouping?

A counter proposal would be nice?

 

Guru sahabian sanctioned alot of things that Sikhs are not implementing these days, carrying weapons is also mandatory to fight tyranny and oppressors but in today's world anyone who does is easily labeled a terrorist even if he fighting the overwhelming overt terrorism of the powerful state. Also there is a reason Akal takht hasn't created a force already.

You got to remember the last time this was tried was in 1980s and the akal takht was attacked and destroyed the indian regime blamed it for darbar sahib having "anti-nationals" so called "khalistani's" sheltering there. The chess pieces were put in place so that akal takht would be attacked no matter who was there, they just needed their useful pawns in place.

1840s was the last time the Khalsa were an effective fighting force and the british invaders attacked the akal takht to silence and subdue Sikh political and military force for once and for all.

Sri Akal takht sahib the sovereign sikh parliament and political voice of the Sikhs, was the real target in 1984 this is why thatchers and indira's governments colluded that time. It was not to get sant bhindranwale or other armed defenders of darbar sahib, exactly because of this reason it was attacked with tanks and destroyed rather than block it off and just have regular police bring a seige to end issue peacefully. The operation blue star attack was to send a message to the Sikh community worldwide that RSS hindu extremists within Indian establishment controls everything within its borders including Sikh religious and political institutions. Anyone daring to setup outside its authority or question hindu castist supreme authority would get dealt with by genocide and indian state terrorism. Therefore creating such a force even for defence and protection would in all probability invite an indian state terrorist attack from new delhi along with huge propaganda campaign against Sikhs in india is being naive at best.

The hindus have their religious protection forces such as RSS along with offshoot groups like kranti sena, ram sena, shiv sena, bajrang dal, bheem sena, etc. Who can easily have access to modern arms via the indian army and police. Also they have their members embed in these institutions so they have all the advantage against minorities.

Creating such a Sikh defence force will need to be thought through very carefully and get political backing from the western governments and within punjab. This will require intelligent lobbying by high IQ well respected Sikh leaders basing it on facts of how indian state terrorism has effected Sikhs since 1947 and currently they are not being protected by institutions of the state in a so called democracy.

1 hour ago, Singh1989 said:

Farmlands are very, very expensive to buy. It's cause of the acres of land which comes with it. Harvesting, opening up a farm, herding animals, popping up fairs/ mini market, hiring nights on the zameens for campers and caravans (or trailers) - will be its sources of income. 

Now, I don't see Bill popping on his farm clothes for the harvesting season anytime soon! So why do rich folks go for farmlands? All I can see is for the reputation and prestige. Only income they will be gaining from it is by renting it out... Atleast they haven't destroyed farms to build factories and supermarkets as of yet. 

True but your getting the main point I'm making. Which is buying up huge farm land (ie control of food supply in coming near future and the rise of genetically modified foods). Control the food and financial money supply you basically control the people. If that control is within the hands of a very few rich corrupt criminal class of people then its basically enslavement of humanity on a global scale.

1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

Don't be an anti-Semetic conspiracy theorist. Trust your leaders and politicians. They want the best for us.

why would it be a anti-semetic?

And trust your leaders they want the best for us? If only that was true, chance would be a fine thing! 

I personally think Deep Sidhu and other populatist personalities may not be an agent of the indian establishment but is a useful guy thats been manipulated and groomed by those advising him to do certain things that have negatively impacted the situations he was involved in. The whole laal killa thing is suspicious no one has yet provided answers who decided to go there and what were they trying to achieve? We know there's nothing to be achieved going there politically so what and who lead the whole thing? Deep sidhu says he got there much later into the protest at the red fort. Futhermore putting Sikh flags on laal killa is not a bad thing. We like seeing it and its the right of the Sikhs to have their flags on red fort aswell as hindus as they are part of the indian nation that liberated it from colonial british rule.

There are many accelerationalists on all kinda of political extreme's and groups that want to push things towards violence while siting back comfortably and watching the drama. These people are the real puppet masters and real agents of manipulation that want to divert the farmer kisaan protests into something else so that legitimate demands that all or most people can support are pushed into something that only certain groups support.

Could there be a possible link to why bill gates, ambani and other rich billionaires are trying to buy vast farm land? Bill gates has been successful in aquiring vast amounts of farm land in america just recently. Ambani plans to doe the same in india hence the huge protests and push back by small farmers.

The UN agenda 21 and 2030 claims for a sustainable future things will need to be done differently. Is this all part of the agenda? That the UN other bodies are involved in trying to oppress the common man across the word