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2 hours ago, Big_Tera said:

So out of a total of 392 million Hindus, 92 million converted to Islam?

But that still cannot be the correct figure. What was the demographic in the 18th Century or even going back 16th Century in India when the arabic invaders first started to invade and forcibly convert. Im sure the number of Hindus who converted would have been far less then 92 million.

The reason there are so many muslims both in present india and pakistan today is not all due to the past conversions.  Its due to extremely high birth rates of muslims. For instance Pakistans average birthrate was recorded at an incredible 7 children per household. It is well known that the poorer and more uneducated you are, the more kids you are likely to  have. 

erm, im talkin about pre-partition. There was 92m muslims, hence y i wrote 1940s/partition.

go to 2:50. it gives u rough estimate of the populations.

There was 300m hindus in sub-continent, 92m muslims and 6m sikhs during 1940s/partition.

Committees can fork out £1000s on unnecessarily tarmacing an already tarmaced gurdwara car park, yet cant buy these properties up n make em into sum sort of sikh related shops, h@rami saleh.

21 hours ago, Sukhvirk76 said:

Are you talking about proselytising and evangelism? These were characteristics of semitic religions ie. islam that guru Nanak Dev Ji rejected outright. . The belief and approach that a person unquestionably accepted and propagated a moral code that was mechanical without substance and manipulated as a tool for exploitation. . Guru sahib said it was our actions as individuals that mattered most... Before everything else. . 

We don't save souls the truth does. .bani expresses the truth. . It is knowledge .. knowledge is gian, is Gurprasad.. 

I'm confused are you suggesting sikhi should become evangelical. ?

tell me a time when sikhs didnt go out and preach their dharam? Guru amardas ji appointed over 50 women parcharaks to spread sikh dharam. Guru hargobind sahib ji appointed sikhs to go to kabul....for wat exactly? To spread sikhi to the muslims there. When guru gobind singh was born, their ol' man, guru tegh bahadur, didnt even see guru ji for 7 of yrs of their life, bcoz they were doin parchar in bengal/orrisa/bihari areas. In recent times, singh sabha lahore, with giani ditt singh, converted mass amounts of hindus/muslims to sikhi, to the point where in the 1920s-partition time sikhi was the fastest growing dharam in greater panjab (birth rates/conversions). Not to mention sant bhindrawale, who converted sways of lapsed sikhs, hindus/muslims and hardcore atheists/communists....

Stop this brainwashed rubbish.

4 hours ago, genie said:

I noticed alot of haters which include punjabi Christians. black Christians, south asian muslims and off course punjabi hindu's really hate it when blacks or whites convert to sikhi. Alot of these scumbags always leave negative comments on these kinda videos out of pure jealously and hatred for non-punjabis/non-indians embracing Sikhi.

But for us in Sikhi its great to see different people from different races and walks of lifes hearing the Guru's message and giving their life to sikhi and reconnecting their soul to Waheguru.

 

 

Yup, alot of haters out there, esp panjabi hindus, communists etc. We even have 1 on this thread, masquerading under fake sikh ID's. Ive always sed it, never ever trust any sharma/verma/masih.

This image, tho not suprising, says it all, besharam lohk!

3 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

No it's from:

The Real Ranjit Singh by Fakir Syed Waheeduddin.

The author is a descendent of Fakir Azzizuddin.  

Cheers! Im so thick, i just realised u wrote the source on the initial post.

2 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

There is a problem with what you are saying: even Banda Singh apparently had major problems with internal cohesion leading to the Tat Khalsa and Bandai Khalsa schism. So there were even Singhs back then who thought he was deviating from what he should have been. 

Also, there are people who believe that Ranjit Singh did embody the Guru's wisdom in his attitude towards others. Read this from a descendent of Fakir Azzizudin (From The Real Ranjit Singh by Fakir Syed Waheeduddin). 

I think Ranjit Singh was religious, in a way that many of us would struggle to understand in today's post Singh Sabha lehar period. Sure, maybe a lot of it was what we'd call superstition today, but he did have a spiritual life. Like many great leaders he was complex and contradictory, but given the umpteen (very serious) pulls and twists of his environment, should that really be any surprise to us today? 

 

 

Great post!

Wat book is this from btw?

Is it the same 'Victor Jacquemont - Experiences in Maharaja Ranjit Singh's empire' book from your other thread?

19 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

We shouldn't really give a toss about what Hindus are doing as much as what our lot are up to. 

People always jock ride when anything successful happens. 

The point is that as Sikhs we shouldn't even be giving other people opportunities to throw dirt at us, by keeping things tight (as is reasonably possible - no society will ever be perfect but our lot back home seem to scrape the bottom of the barrel too often). 

Yea fully agreed.

wat i find funny is, wen sikhs ask for independance or sikhs get credit for the gud things of panjab, u get hindus n pappu sikhs sayin, "oh hindus r 35% of panjab, theyre just as much a part of panjab as sikhs r". Yet wen it comes to negativity of panjab, sikhs ALWAYS get the blame. As if, hindus r not takin drugs in big number, or aborting kurrian, drinkin sharab, doing dodgy visa/dowry marriages like above.

1 hour ago, Jacfsing2 said:

What I mentioned was if anyone could inspire from the current Taksal. Sant Baba Thakur Singh Khalsa was not a mega power in Prachar; however, he's a Mahapurukh, and he's been almost universally accepted as the head of the Taksal, (except by some people who still thought Sant Jarnail Singh Bhinderwale was still alive).

Banda Singh Bahadur didn't bring enough people to justice, these Libtards are completely ungrateful. Banda Singh Bahadur is in Sach Khand by now, and these fools still be arguing over what he did was right. If he did one thing wrong, it's that when he was a Hindu Rajput boy he shot a deer that was pregnant, but otherwise he was a great leader, and everything he did for post-Sikhi was good.

Not saying that Banda Singh Bahadur was perfect, but what mistakes? Bringing justice to Gangu and the executioner of Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur, is not a mistake nor will it ever be!

I duno if ur intentionally being silly here, but we all know wat mistakes he made, n it definitely isnt him takin badla on behalf of guru gobind singh/panth. U have a habit of puttin words in ppls mouths, i never uttered the stuff u wrote above, so plz try not to make assumptions.

He made mistakes such as arguing with other khalsa's at the time n disobeying orders n goin his own way etc. I believe he tried to change the slogan of wjkk wjkf, to sumink else. Im not totally clued up precisely on this particular bits, but its been discussed numerous times on here. Perhaps sum1 on here with deeper knowledge can bring light to it. 

15 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Thing is once the dust has settled you don't hear their own - even the apparently apologetic, liberals amongst them - turning around and spitting in the face of those who took some pretty dank and tough action in hectic times to advance a cause. Our lot are, to name one example, ready to excommunicate someone like Baba Banda Singh, lol, because he doesn't meet our apparently enlightened standards of sitting on our behinds and pontificating about horrors we can scarecely imagine.

U kno that whole banda singh bahadur bashing ppl do is pathetic to the core. Yes he made mistakes, but his glorious shaheedi and wafadari/commitment to the sikh panth by refusing islam and havin his babies heart in his mouth and being mercilessly tortured, more than made up for his mistakes. 

4 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Look how they do it though. As well as attacking the occupiers of their lands themselves, they don't business to blow up their own people who are queuing up to join the occupier's police-force or military (they don't distinguish between the foreign occupiers and their collaborators). 

Compare that to our lot over the last few hundred years (especially those from the pends), who joined the occupier's army in massive hordes, fighting umpteen (sometimes brutal) wars abroad for them, rather than fight the numerically weaker occupier at home. 

What does that tell you?

Tbf tho dally, there were plenty of pashtuns in the british army fightin in the world wars, but i do agree with wat ur sayin tho. Our lot (panjabi muslim/sikh/hindu) have far too much gadhari-ness in them.

52 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

The Taksal is controlled by Dhuma, Anjnala, and Ram Singh, now tell Daas which of these 3 will be Legendary Pracharks? When the British started coming over, 2 main groups started Sikh prachar

1. Damdami Taksal Jathedar: Sundar Singh Bhinderwale spread Sikhi. How gave Amrit to 10k at one time during the Anti-Sikh Christian Missionsry period

2. Now-Apostate groups. (These include Namdhari, pre-split Nirankaris, pre-Nankana Sahib Massacre Udassis, etc.)

Taksal has usually been the main spreader of Sikhi, what hope do you see from the 3 Jathedars mentioned? (Unless you see it from the 2nd route which is much worse than even not spreading Sikhi in the first place).

read my post again!

i clearly stated " Sadly thats the only thing missing right now, a 1 in a hundred year inspirational leader".

Any1 seen this video? Incredible! Very stirring words n video!

1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

In that respect, one has to wonder how a group like the Afghans have managed to repel occupying forces throughout their history, be it the Soviets and later the Americans and Europeans, considering they're hardly training in barracks on a daily basis.

 

Huge myth! Afghanistan has been invaded n conquered on numerous occasions (khalsa, alexander, nadir shah, genghis, timur etc), but i know wat u mean, in more recent times, afghans have been incredibly resolute.

You guys say that ppl of panjab wont be able to tackle the govt and rise up coz theyre busy with nashe/no training etc. How is this current situation any different to panjab 1979-84 and 85-onwards? Sikhs then were under nashe and lackin in sikhi, communists everwhere, nAKALI dal/congress still fightin it out to see who can kill more sikhs. Hence y, sant jarnail singh completely changed the script and flipped everyfink on its head, with their inspiration pind-to-pind parchar, which turned druggies/communists/atheists/alcohilics into gursikhs.

Sadly thats the only thing missing right now, a 1 in a hundred year inspirational leader. Of course another big difference is tho, the level of drug use is insane right now, but rajoana more than proved they were a great individual to rally up sikhs worldwide....that too frm prison.

Lol, even in them days, just as last week, gadhaar maan released a song bowt panjab turning bad/in manners/drugs etc.

Is this a pathan type paghs, which i believe was the "in-thing" during sikh raj? Id imagine hari singh nalwa got influenced from the locals and made it in fashion. Or am i wrong?

7 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

he didn't get anything from gorey he died in poverty in Paris 

indeed

16 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

We're making films on Ghadars now? If 200 years from now we start making movies on Badal; this will prove our gulami mentality.

Who's a gadhar?

On 18/02/2017 at 6:59 AM, MisterrSingh said:

There's many books on Amazon. Just search for them. Easy peasy. 

I vaguely recall a book was released a few years ago on Sikh art in the times of Maharaja Ranjit Singh. Might be worth a look.

That would be this book, i bought it way back in late 90s frm the V&A museum, great great book!