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  1. No more posts please, End of debate, thanks guys.

    Bro don't let anybody get you down! U thought out your idea with an honest heart!

    Don't let negativity shut down your thoughts! U are trying to think about the welfare of the Panth!

    I may or may not agree with you but I support your thoughts towards making Sikhi more accessible to youth!

    Gyms + apps are needed in more and more Gurdwara's and for more and more youth phones!

    Stay in Chardee Kallah!

  2. Jaa toon, veehr karda.

    Funny how Pakindi Babar couldn't rebut Mirch's point that relaying facts does NOT equate to an insult.

    Is "2+2=4" a fact or an insult according to Pakindi Babar?

    If a man openly supported + carried out terrorism in his life, then why wouldn't peeps expose that thru free speech?

    If a man had 11 wives at one stage + dozens of slavegirl concubines in his harem then why can't that be exposed?

    If you have any rebuttal to ex-Muslim Dr Ali Sina go right ahead and enlighten us:

    Ali Sina's Challenge www.faithfreedom.org

    I receive many emails from angry Muslims, who sometimes beg me, and sometimes order me to remove this site. I consider both, pleading and bullying, signs of psychopathology. Argumentum ad baculum and argumentum ad misericordiam are both logical fallacies.

    If you do not like this site and want me to remove it, instead of acting as a bully or as a victim, disprove my charges against Muhammad logically. Not only will I remove the site, I will publicly announce that Islam is a true religion. I will also pay

    $50,000 U.S. dollars

    to anyone who can disprove any of the dozen of the accusations that I have made against Muhammad. I accuse Muhammad of being:

    a narcissist

    a misogynist

    a rapist

    a pedophile

    a lecher

    a torturer

    a mass murderer

    a cult leader

    an assassin

    a terrorist

    a looter

    I have debated with many Muslims. Their defense of Islam can be summarized in two categories:

    • Denial of the authenticity of Islamic sources that report the stories of crimes of Muhammad (example: debate with Edip Yukssel, a leader of the Submitters)
    • Moral relativism and situational ethics, e.g., “In those days, pedophilia, assassination, rape, raid, pillage, massacre and lying, were common practices, so Muhammad is innocent because he did what everyone else was doing.” Muslims even go as far as to question the legitimacy of the Golden Rule to claim I do not have any basis to condemn Muhammad. In other words, who can say what is good and what is evil? That is up to the messenger of God to decide. (Example: debate with Yamin Zakaria)

    These are the main two arguments that Muslims present in defense of Islam. Any rational person can see they are logical fallacies.

    These charges are irrefutable. You simply can't disprove them because they are reported in Islamic sources and as such they are as good as confession. You can't acquit a criminal after he has confessed, unless you plead insanity, which is my point.

    Muslims often ask: "Who will judge whether or not an attempt to disprove your accusations against Muhammad and Islam, was successful?" The readers will be the jury. It is not difficult to see which side is right once both arguments are presented without one side fearing the other. I will publish the debates in this site. My opponents are also encouraged to publish them in any Islamic site. Please note that I will not accept face to face debates. The debates must be in writing.

    Edit 2007/07/29

    The above challenge was issued in 2001 and it hasn't been met yet. See the debates I had with Muslims. Also see the pathetic attempt of some Muslims trying to refute me here , here, here and here. Is that all the Muslim world can offer? Where are the scholars of Islam? Why such an important task is left to a bunch of amateurs who actually do more damage to Islam? Isn't it time that the real scholars come forth and refute my charges?

    The truth is that several of the people that debated me were real scholars, such as the eminent Pakistani scholar Mr. Javed Ahmed Ghamidi and his disciple Dr. Khalid Zaheer. This debate is a must read and is available for download. Dr. Zaheer is a learned man, a moderate Muslim and a good human being. I have utmost respect for him.

    As of this date (2007), I will no longer debate with people who want to debate anonymously. I only debate with reputable scholars. I made this decision because often, Muslims moved by their faith and zealotry, but with little knowledge of Islam, challenge me to debate. They rehash the same tried and refuted arguments that bore everyone and disappear. Then, other Muslims, either accuse me of fabricating those debates or pooh-pooh my opponents for not being scholars.

    As of this day, I am also doubling the reward. If you are not a reputable scholar, you can still win the prize. All you have to do is persuade a scholar to debate with me. If he (she) disproves my charges or can prove that Muhammad was a prophet of God, both you and he (she) will be rewarded $50,000 dollars each. This is to encourage you to write to your admired scholar and convince them that Islam is in danger and that it is their duty to defend it. Once you write to invite someone, please CC a copy to us for announcing the invitation. Our email is faithfreedom2 (at) gmail.com

    Yes, Islam is in grave danger. Never, since its inception, Islam has faced a threat as serious as this. Today, millions of ex-Muslims are questioning the claimed truth of Islam, can make their criticisms heard worldwide, and unlike before, not fear for their lives. As long as these questions are not answered, this trend is only bound to continue, until the trickle becomes a torrent and the fall of Islam becomes obvious. In the past, the critics of Islam briefly shined like lamps in darkness, only to be put out by winds of persecution.

    What is happening today can be likened to the break of the dawn. Darkness has no chance in front of this much light. Muslims are waking up and leaving Islam like never before. A spiritual and intellectual revolution is underway. This is the century of enlightenment of the benighted Muslims. The giant is finally awakening. The days of Islam are numbered. This demon of hate and ignorance will be slain by the hands of its own primary victims. The unity of mankind and the world peace are around the corner.

    Please advertise this challenge. Every Muslim must see it. This is like throwing water on their fire. Nothing will dampen their zeal more than the realization that among a billion Muslims there is not a single scholar who can prove the wild claims of Muhammad, nor acquit him of these grave charges. This unmet challenge has a sobering effect on them. They can make any excuse, such as, I am not worth their response, that there have been greater men than me who opposed Islam, or that I have been refuted already, but they will not be able to fool themselves. The more this challenge is circulated, the more Muslims will be forced to remain silent and doubt Islam. Do not undermine the psychological effect of this impossible challenge.

    Sincerely

    Ali Sina

  3. It has never been the case that a whole population of a particular ideology has to be involved in violence for that ideology to be considered dangerous and violent. Islam is akin to both Nazism and Communism and has even been likened to the Mafia. It is well nigh physically impossible for 1.2 billion Muslims to suddenly arm themselves and start attacking non-Muslims around them and thus prove that Islam is the evil religion that it. For one there are no enough weapons in the world to arm every Muslim. For another not everyone single Muslim has a hard heart which one requires to follow Islam to its logical conclusion and attack non-Muslims. Millions of Muslims pay lip service to their faith and pick and choose which part they want to follow. For these Muslims they accept the very few positives aspects of Islam and ignore the negative aspects of Islam. However, they know enough to not criticise those Muslims who follow Islam in all its aspects such as Al Qaeda and ISIS. Not all the Nazis were murderers, only a small percentage were responsible for the atrocities in the concentration camps but the rest were supportive of these atrocities. Not all communists physically took part in the atrocities of Stalin against his people or Mao's cultural revolution. Yet in both countries millions were killed in the name of communism. No one ever claims that because not all Nazis took part in the crimes of Hitler, it means that Nazism has been hijacked by extremists and Nazism is an ideology of peace!

    What I find surprising is that my fellow Sikhs who appear to have swallowed the ultra PC line that Islam is a religion of peace and that it has been hijacked by extremists. Don't we see the pictures of the martyrs of the 18th century in our Gurdwaras and how horribly they were killed and all of which is completely in line with the teachings of Islam. Seeking to live a life of self respect in a Muslim state is seen as an act of defiance against Islam and as such is dealt with by violence. Aurangzeb, Mir Mannu and Abdali were not extremists who had hijacked Islam, they were the Al Qaeda and ISIS of their day. Behind them were millions of Punjabi Muslims who while they did not actively join with these tyrants, yet they still sympathised with their actions. The fact that ordinary Muslims also suffered due to the invasions of Abdali does not prove that Abdali who not acting in accord with Islam. Islam like any other totalitarian ideology in the end is more destructive to those who follow it than to those who do not. Look at the violence in every Muslim country, Muslims are killing Muslims at a much higher rate than they are killing non-Muslims but that does not mean that Islam is not a threat to non-Muslims.

    Here is something interesting. The Khalsa goes against every rule that Islam has imposed on non-Muslims within an Islamic state. The Khalsa refused to pay Jizya to the Mughal state and later to Abdali. This act is always seen as a gross defiance of Islamic authority and something which is seen as unacceptable. The Jizya is paid as confirmation of subjugation of non-Muslims and when it is paid there is usually a symbolic act such as a slap given to the non-Muslim so that he feels himself subdued. Therefore if we accept that Islam is a legitimate religion then we also have to accept that non-Muslim deserve to pay Jizya and also be made to feel that they are subjugated. Non-Muslims are not allowed to build any NEW places of worship but they can renovate any old places of worship. This would have meant that Sikhs would not have been allowed to build any new Gurdwaras in Punjab. Thus why the Khalsa would always been in conflict with the Islamic state. Non-Muslims are also not allowed to place any religious symbols outside their homes or places of worship. Now consider what the Nishan Sahib is! Non-Muslims should not congregate on the streets and should go to their places of worship quietly. Nagar Kirtan anyone? Muslims are forbidden to address non-Muslims with any title which may convey honour on the non-Muslims. What is the title that we Sikhs go by? Sardarji! Majority of Muslims in India address Sikhs as Sardarji and when referring to a group of Sikhs will not say Sikhs but Sardars. Non-Muslims also should not be trained in any types of warfare or carry arms on their person. We have Gatka and Kirpan.

    In an Islamic state Sikhism cannot be practised the way that it has been since the days of the Gurus, Therefore we of all the non-Muslims should be the ones who are against the setting up an Islamic state in any part of the world.

    .

    True!

    And stating facts about a religion or stating facts about Nazism or certain cults and brutal ideolgies that support terrorism + rape does not mean that we are hating on ordinary Muslims or normal Germans or innocent cult followers

  4. Fact is not insult. I knew you were going to pull this line, thats why I even provided you with references.

    But bro this Pakandi Baba might claim that you saying "2 plus 2 = 4" is an insult next!

    Calling Prophet Muhammad a slaveowner because he sold innocent black African children into slavery for personal profit is not an insult against Muhammad, given that slavery is openly supported in the Holy Quran which openly supports the rape of female slaves.

    If Muslims like Pakhandi Baba are so insulted why doesn't he refute the following facts mentioned by David Wood?

    Fact #1: Muhammad supported his fledgling religion by robbing people. The early Muslims could have maintained Islam through hard work, frugal spending, and the donations of admirers. Yet Muhammad chose robbery as his chief source of income, and greed soon became one of the primary factors in people’s rapid conversion to Islam. Indeed, Muhammad deliberately used the spoils of war to lure people to Islam. When he was criticized for the way he distributed his newfound wealth, he replied, "Are you disturbed in mind because of the good things of this life by which I win over a people that they may become Muslims while I entrust you to your Islam?"[8] Given the prospect of untold riches, it’s no wonder so many people committed themselves to Islam. Muhammad guaranteed that Allah "will admit the Struggler in His cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty."[9] This message must have sounded extraordinary to the poor of Arabia. If they died in the cause of Allah, they would go to Paradise and be rich. If they survived, they would plunder their enemies and be rich. Either way, their situation would be much better upon embracing Islam.

    (For more on Muhammad’s use of riches to win converts, see "Don’t Lose Your Head!")

    Fact #2: Muhammad was often ruthless towards his adversaries. Punishments for taking a stand against Muhammad included torture and death. Both men and women were brutally killed for criticizing Muhammad.[10] Hundreds of Jewish men were beheaded for standing against him, while their wives and children were sold into slavery.[11] Some early Muslims who apostatized were killed after Muhammad gave the command to kill all who turn away from Islam.[12] Modern Muslims often claim that Muhammad only killed when he was attacked by his enemies, but history shows that he murdered numerous people whose only crime was writing poems against him.[13] Given the facts, it’s difficult to understand how Muslim writers such as Mawdudi could have the audacity to claim that Muhammad "never took revenge on anyone for his personal grievances."

    (For more on Muhammad’s brutality, see "Murdered by Muhammad.")

    Fact #3: Muhammad had far more wives than even his own revelations allowed. The Qur’an allows Muslims to have up to four wives: "And if you fear that you will not deal fairly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if you fear that you cannot deal justly (with so many), then one only, or (the captives) that your right hands possess" (4:3). We know that Muhammad had at least thirteen wives during his life, and that he had at least nine wives at one time. Of course, he did receive a Qur’anic revelation telling him that he alone could exceed the four-wife limit: "O Prophet! We have made lawful unto you your wives whom you have paid their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses of those whom Allah has given as spoils of war, . . . a privilege for you only, not for the (rest of) believers" (33:50). Nevertheless, since Muhammad was the one receiving revelations that allowed him to transgress rules that applied to everyone else, many people have concluded that he was inventing revelations to justify his hypocritical behavior.

    (For more on Muhammad’s wives, see "Why Did Mohammed Get So Many Wives?")

    Fact #4: Muhammad sexually consummated a marriage to a nine-year-old girl. Muhammad’s courtship of Aisha began when she was only six.[14] Muhammad had a dream about her, which led him to believe that God wanted him to marry the young girl.[15] Fortunately, Muhammad didn’t have sex with her until she reached menses at the age of nine. (Most girls do not have their first period by this age, but Aisha had been suffering from some form of intense sickness, which probably induced menses early.) Muhammad apparently took Aisha’s first menstruation as a sign that she was an adult ready for sexual relations, and Aisha quickly became his favorite wife. Among her earliest duties as Muhammad’s wife was the task of washing semen stains off his clothes: "Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) narrated: I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet (the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them."[16]

    (For more on Muhammad’s relationship with Aisha, see "Was Muhammad a Pedophile?")

    Fact #5: Muhammad had a contemptible opinion of women. Muslim apologists often argue that Muhammad raised the status of women, and they are entirely correct in saying this. However, the status to which he raised them is almost as shameful as their status in pre-Islamic Arabia. According to Muhammad, women’s minds are so deficient that the testimony of a woman is worth only half that of a man.[17] Given this lack of intellectual ability, women have to be kept under control by other means. Thus the Qur’an sanctions the beating of women: "As for those [women] from whom you fear disloyalty, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and beat them (lightly, without visible injury). Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them" (4:34). Notice the parenthetical remarks that the beating should be a light one. These words do not occur in the Arabic; apparently, even Muslim translators have a problem with this verse and do what they can to water it down. Notice also that the beating is done to bring the wives into submission. Muhammad repeatedly warned women about disrespecting their husbands: "The Prophet (the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) said: ‘I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers were women who were thankless.’"[18] Hell, then, is composed primarily of ungrateful women (perhaps their husbands hadn’t beaten them enough). However, even Heaven is a bleak prospect for women, for, according to Muhammad, women will spend eternity standing in the corners of Paradise, waiting for the men to come and have sex with them.[19]

    (For more on Muhammad’s opinion of women, see "Banish Them to Their Beds and Scourge Them!")

    Fact #6: Muhammad is unique among prophets in that he is the only one to receive a revelation, proclaim it as part of God’s message to man, and later take it back, claiming that it was actually from Satan. According to the earliest extant biography of Muhammad, he eventually became so sad about his countrymen’s rejection of his prophethood that he began longing for some verses that would bring them to Islam. He soon received what he was looking for—a revelation saying that the intercession of three other gods was acceptable. Muhammad presented the revelation to the people, and his countrymen were overjoyed to hear that they could continue praying to al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat. A mass-conversion to Islam followed, but in time Muhammad received another revelation, which told him that the former verses had been given to him by Satan. God told him not to be too disturbed over the matter, for, according to the new revelation, all prophets occasionally receive ideas from Satan:

    The apostle was bitterly grieved and was greatly in fear of God. So God sent down (a revelation), for He was merciful to him, comforting him and making light of the affair and telling him that every prophet and apostle before him desired as he desired and wanted what he wanted and Satan interjected something into his desires as he had on his tongue. So God annulled what Satan had suggested and God established His verses, i.e. you are just like the prophets and apostles. Then God sent down: "We have not sent a prophet or apostle before you but when he longed Satan cast suggestions in his longing. But God will annul what Satan has suggested. Then God will establish his verses, God being knowing and wise."
    [20]

    (For more on this, see "The Bewitched Prophet.")

    These are just some of the facts that Muslims have been keeping secret, but they are enough to make any reasonable person doubt the validity of Islam. Muhammad was guilty of countless murders and of torturing his victims. He robbed caravans and participated in the slave-trade. His persecution of the Jews bordered on genocide. His polygamy went beyond that which even his own revelations permitted (though he did receive a revelation saying that this was okay for him). One of his wives was a nine-year-old girl, whose earliest duties in Muhammad’s house included the constant task of washing the semen stains off his clothes. At times he believed he was demon-possessed or under the effect of magic. He was known to be suicidal. He admittedly received a message from Satan and delivered it to the people as if it were from God. He declared that women have half the intellectual ability that men have, that it is okay for men to beat their wives, that most of the inhabitants of hell are women, and that, even if a woman somehow makes it to heaven, her eternity will consist of standing in a corner, waiting for men to sexually enjoy her.[21]

    These details about Muhammad raise a very important question: What does a prophet have to do before Muslims will be willing to question whether he is truly the greatest moral example in history? Normally, when we say that someone is a moral person, we mean that he doesn’t commit acts such as robbery and murder. Yet Muhammad did all these things and much more. It appears, then, that Muslims are using the term "moral" in a very unique way. In this uniquely Muslim sense of the term, the word "moral" is defined as "whatever Muhammad does." Thus, if Muhammad were to chop off the heads of hundreds of people (which he did), this act would still be defined as a moral act, since Muhammad did it, and anything Muhammad does is, by definition, moral.

    But this raises another important question. If God’s greatest prophet is free to take part in murder, robbery, genocide, and slave-trading, can we really point a finger at people like Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein and say that they are evil? They killed many innocents, but so did Muhammad. Saddam tortured countless people, but so did Muhammad. In fact, one could make a case that Osama bin Laden is morally superior to Muhammad, for, while bin Laden killed thousands of people, he didn’t sell their wives and children into slavery, or have sex with a little girl, or marry more than a dozen women.

    The truth about Muhammad has been one of the world’s best-kept secrets. For centuries, it has been virtually impossible to raise objections about the character of Muhammad in Muslim countries, for anyone who raised such objections would (following the example set by Muhammad himself) immediately be killed. Outside the Muslim world, there has been little interest in Islam, and those who have been interested have typically relied on modern Muslim reports about Muhammad, such as the above passage from Mawdudi. But things have changed. Now many people are interested in Islam, and Muslims aren’t able to silence everyone. Moreover, with the advent of the Internet, it is now impossible to keep Muhammad’s life a secret. The facts about the founder of Islam are spreading very rapidly, and Muslims are frantically scurrying to defend their faith. But the information superhighway is paving over the ignorance that has for centuries been the stronghold of Islamic dogma. In the end, Islam will fall, for the entire structure is built upon the belief that Muhammad was the greatest moral example in history, and this belief is demonstrably false.

  5. But since Prophet Muhammad had sex with a 9year old girl (Aisha) when he was 54, had eleven wives and many dozens of slavegirls that their own Hadiths confirm he had sex should there really be any murders?

    Even ex-Muslims who have ditched Islam are exposing Prophet Muhammad:

    Sina's Challenge www.faithfreedom.org

    I receive many emails from angry Muslims, who sometimes beg me, and sometimes order me to remove this site. I consider both, pleading and bullying, signs of psychopathology. Argumentum ad baculum and argumentum ad misericordiam are both logical fallacies.

    If you do not like this site and want me to remove it, instead of acting as a bully or as a victim, disprove my charges against Muhammad logically. Not only will I remove the site, I will publicly announce that Islam is a true religion. I will also pay

    $50,000 U.S. dollars

    to anyone who can disprove any of the dozen of the accusations that I have made against Muhammad. I accuse Muhammad of being:

    a narcissist

    a misogynist

    a rapist

    a pedophile

    a lecher

    a torturer

    a mass murderer

    a cult leader

    an assassin

    a terrorist

    a mad man

    a looter

    I have debated with many Muslims. Their defense of Islam can be summarized in two categories:

    • Denial of the authenticity of Islamic sources that report the stories of crimes of Muhammad (example: debate with Edip Yukssel, a leader of the Submitters)
    • Moral relativism and situational ethics, e.g., “In those days, pedophilia, assassination, rape, raid, pillage, massacre and lying, were common practices, so Muhammad is innocent because he did what everyone else was doing.” Muslims even go as far as to question the legitimacy of the Golden Rule to claim I do not have any basis to condemn Muhammad. In other words, who can say what is good and what is evil? That is up to the messenger of God to decide. (Example: debate with Yamin Zakaria)

    These are the main two arguments that Muslims present in defense of Islam. Any rational person can see they are logical fallacies.

    These charges are irrefutable. You simply can't disprove them because they are reported in Islamic sources and as such they are as good as confession.

    You can't acquit a criminal after he has confessed, unless you plead insanity, which is my point.

    Muslims often ask: "Who will judge whether or not an attempt to disprove your accusations against Muhammad and Islam, was successful?" The readers will be the jury. It is not difficult to see which side is right once both arguments are presented without one side fearing the other. I will publish the debates in this site. My opponents are also encouraged to publish them in any Islamic site. Please note that I will not accept face to face debates. The debates must be in writing.

    Edit 2007/07/29

    The above challenge was issued in 2001 and it hasn't been met yet. See the debates I had with Muslims. Also see the pathetic attempt of some Muslims trying to refute me here , here, here and here. Is that all the Muslim world can offer? Where are the scholars of Islam? Why such an important task is left to a bunch of amateurs who actually do more damage to Islam? Isn't it time that the real scholars come forth and refute my charges?

    The truth is that several of the people that debated me were real scholars, such as the eminent Pakistani scholar Mr. Javed Ahmed Ghamidi and his disciple Dr. Khalid Zaheer. This debate is a must read and is available for download. Dr. Zaheer is a learned man, a moderate Muslim and a good human being. I have utmost respect for him.

    As of this date (2007), I will no longer debate with people who want to debate anonymously. I only debate with reputable scholars. I made this decision because often, Muslims moved by their faith and zealotry, but with little knowledge of Islam, challenge me to debate. They rehash the same tried and refuted arguments that bore everyone and disappear. Then, other Muslims, either accuse me of fabricating those debates or pooh-pooh my opponents for not being scholars.

    As of this day, I am also doubling the reward. If you are not a reputable scholar, you can still win the prize. All you have to do is persuade a scholar to debate with me. If he (she) disproves my charges or can prove that Muhammad was a prophet of God, both you and he (she) will be rewarded $50,000 dollars each. This is to encourage you to write to your admired scholar and convince them that Islam is in danger and that it is their duty to defend it. Once you write to invite someone, please CC a copy to us for announcing the invitation. Our email is faithfreedom2 (at) gmail.com

    Yes, Islam is in grave danger. Never, since its inception, Islam has faced a threat as serious as this. Today, millions of ex-Muslims are questioning the claimed truth of Islam, can make their criticisms heard worldwide, and unlike before, not fear for their lives. As long as these questions are not answered, this trend is only bound to continue, until the trickle becomes a torrent and the fall of Islam becomes obvious. In the past, the critics of Islam briefly shined like lamps in darkness, only to be put out by winds of persecution. What is happening today can be likened to the break of the dawn. Darkness has no chance in front of this much light. Muslims are waking up and leaving Islam like never before. A spiritual and intellectual revolution is underway. This is the century of enlightenment of the benighted Muslims. The giant is finally awakening. The days of Islam are numbered. This demon of hate and ignorance will be slain by the hands of its own primary victims. The unity of mankind and the world peace are around the corner.

    Please advertise this challenge. Every Muslim must see it. This is like throwing water on their fire. Nothing will dampen their zeal more than the realization that among a billion Muslims there is not a single scholar who can prove the wild claims of Muhammad, nor acquit him of these grave charges. This unmet challenge has a sobering effect on them. They can make any excuse, such as, I am not worth their response, that there have been greater men than me who opposed Islam, or that I have been refuted already, but they will not be able to fool themselves. The more this challenge is circulated, the more Muslims will be forced to remain silent and doubt Islam. Do not undermine the psychological effect of this impossible challenge.

    Sincerely

    Ali Sina

  6. Only the insane extremists preach and practice this.

    If a person follows what Islam and Prophet Muhammad and the Holy Quran teach, what gives you the right to call that believer insane?

    TheReligionofPeace.com

    Guide to Understanding Islam

    What does the

    Religion of Peace

    Teach About...

    Slavery and Sex Slavery

    Question:

    Does Islam condone slavery?

    Does Islamic teaching allow Muslim men to keep women as sex slaves?

    Summary Answer:

    Islam neither ignores nor condemns slavery.

    In fact, a large part of the Sharia is dedicated to the practice.

    Muslims are encouraged to live in the way of Muhammad, who was a slave owner and trader.

    He captured slaves in battle. He had sex with his slaves. And he instructed his men to do the same. The Qur'an actually devotes more verses to making sure that Muslim men know they can keep women as sex slaves (4) than it does to telling them to pray five times a day (0).

    The Qur'an:

    Qur'an (33:50) - "O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee"

    This is one of several personal-sounding verses "from Allah" narrated by Muhammad - in this case allowing himself a virtually unlimited supply of sex partners. Other Muslims are restrained to four wives, but, following the example of their prophet, may also have sex with any number of slaves, as the following verse make clear:

    Qur'an (23:5-6) - "..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the slaves) whom their right hands possess..." This verse permits the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves. See also Qur'an (70:29-30). The Quran is a small book, so if Allah used valuable space to repeat the same point four times, then sex slavery must be very important to him.

    Qur'an (4:24) - "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (slaves) whom your right hands possess." Even sex with married slaves is permissible.

    Qur'an (8:69) - "But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good" A reference to war booty, of which slaves were a part. The Muslim slave master may enjoy his "catch" because (according to verse 71) "Allah gave you mastery over them."

    Qur'an (24:32) - "And marry those among you who are single and those who are fit among your male slaves and your female slaves..." Breeding slaves based on fitness.

    Qur'an (2:178) - "O ye who believe! Retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the murdered; the freeman for the freeman, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female." The message of this verse, which prescribes the rules of retaliation for murder, is that all humans are not created equal. The human value of a slave is less than that of a free person (and a woman's worth is also distinguished from that of a man's).

    Qur'an (16:75) - "Allah sets forth the Parable (of two men: one) a slave under the dominion of another; He has no power of any sort; and (the other) a man on whom We have bestowed goodly favours from Ourselves, and he spends thereof (freely), privately and publicly: are the two equal? (By no means;) praise be to Allah."

    Yet another confirmation that the slave is is not equal to the master. In this case it is plain that the slave owes his status to Allah's will. (According to 16:71, the owner should be careful about insulting Allah by bestowing Allah's gifts on slaves - those whom the god of Islam has not favored).

    From the Hadith:

    Bukhari (80:753) - "The Prophet said, 'The freed slave belongs to the people who have freed him.'"

    Bukhari (52:255) - The slave who accepts Islam and continues serving his Muslim master will receive a double reward in heaven.

    Bukhari (41.598) - Slaves are property. They cannot be freed if an owner has outstanding debt, but can be used to pay off the debt.

    Bukhari (62:137) - An account of women taken as slaves in battle by Muhammad's men after their husbands and fathers were killed. The woman were raped with Muhammad's approval.

    Bukhari (34:432) - Another account of females taken captive and raped with Muhammad's approval. In this case it is evident that the Muslims intend on selling the women after raping them because they are concerned about devaluing their price by impregnating them. Muhammad is asked about coitus interruptus.

    Bukhari (47.765) - A woman is rebuked by Muhammad for freeing a slave girl. The prophet tells her that she would have gotten a greater heavenly reward by giving her to a relative (as a slave).

    Bukhari (34:351) - Muhammad sells a slave for money. He was thus a slave trader.

    Bukhari (72:734) - Some contemporary Muslims in the West, where slavery is believed to be a horrible crime, are reluctant to believe that Muhammad owned slaves. This is just one of many places in the Hadith where a reference is made to a human being owned by Muhammad. In this case, the slave is of African descent.

    Muslim 3901 - Muhammad trades away two black slaves for one Muslim slave.

    Muslim 4112 - A man freed six slaves on the event of his death, but Muhammad reversed the emancipation and kept four in slavery to himself. He cast lots to determine which two to free.

    Bukhari (47:743) - Muhammad's own pulpit - from which he preached Islam - was built with slave labor on his command.

    Bukhari (59:637) - "The Prophet sent Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus (of the booty) and I hated Ali, and Ali had taken a bath (after a sexual act with a slave-girl from the Khumus). I said to Khalid, 'Don't you see this (i.e. Ali)?' When we reached the Prophet I mentioned that to him. He said, 'O Buraida! Do you hate Ali?' I said, 'Yes.' He said, 'Do you hate him, for he deserves more than that from the Khumlus.'" Muhammad approved of his men having sex with slaves, as this episode involving his son-in-law, Ali, clearly proves. This hadith refutes the modern apologists who pretend that slaves were really "wives," since Muhammad had forbidden Ali from marrying another woman as long as Fatima (his favorite daughter) was living.

    Abu Dawud (2150) - "The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Qur'an 4:24) 'And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.'" This is the background for verse 4:24 of the Qur'an. Not only does Allah grant permission for women to be captured and raped, but allows it to even be done in front of their husbands. (See also Muslim 3432 & Ibn Kathir/Abdul Rahman Part 5 Page 14)

    Abu Dawud 1814 - "...[Abu Bakr] He then began to beat [his slave] him while the Apostle of Allah (pbuh) was smiling and saying: Look at this man who is in the sacred state (putting on ihram), what is he doing?" The future first caliph of Islam is beating his slave for losing a camel while Muhammad looks on in apparent amusement.

    Ibn Ishaq (734) - A slave girl is given a "violent beating" by Ali in the presence of Muhammad, who does nothing about it.

    Abu Dawud 38:4458 - Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib: “A slave-girl belonging to the house of the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) committed fornication. He (the Prophet) said: Rush up, Ali, and inflict the prescribed punishment on her. I then hurried up, and saw that blood was flowing from her, and did not stop. So I came to him and he said: Have you finished inflicting (punishment on her)? I said: I went to her while her blood was flowing. He said: Leave her alone till her bleeding stops; then inflict the prescribed punishment on her. And inflict the prescribed punishment on those whom your right hands possess (i.e. slaves)”. A slave girl is ordered by Muhammad to be beaten until she bleeds, and then beaten again after the bleeding stops. He indicates that this is prescribed treatment for slaves ("those whom your right hand possesses").

    Ibn Ishaq (693) - "Then the apostle sent Sa-d b. Zayd al-Ansari, brother of Abdu'l-Ashal with some of the captive women of Banu Qurayza to Najd and he sold them for horses and weapons." Muhammad trades away women captured from the Banu Qurayza tribe to non-Muslim slave traders for property. (Their men had been executed after surrendering peacefully without a fight).

    Umdat al-Salik (Reliance of the Traveller) (o9.13) - According to Sharia, when a child or woman is taken captive by Muslims, they become slaves by the mere fact of their capture. A captured woman's previous marriage is immediately annulled.

    Additional Notes:

    Slavery is deeply embedded in Islamic law and tradition. Although a slave-owner is cautioned against treating slaves harshly, basic human rights are not obliged. The very fact that only non-Muslims may be taken as slaves is evidence of Islam's supremacist doctrine.

    Of the five references to freeing a slave in the Qur'an, three are prescribed as punitive measures against the slaveholder for unrelated sin, and limits the emancipation to just a single slave.

    Another (24:33) appears to allow a slave to buy their own freedom if they are "good." This is in keeping with the traditional Islamic practice of wealth-building through the taking and ransoming of hostages, which began under Muhammad.

    A tiny verse in one of the earliest chapters, 90:13, does say that freeing a slave is good, however, this was "revealed" at a time when the Muslim community was miniscule and several of their new and potential recruits were either actual slaves or newly freed slaves. Many of these same people, and Muhammad himself, later went on to become owners and traders of slaves, both male and female, as they acquired the power to do so (there is not record of Muhammad owning slaves prior to starting Islam). The language of the Qur'an changed to accommodate slavery, which is why this early verse has had negligible impact on slavery in the Islamic world.

    Contrary to popular belief, converting to Islam does not automatically earn a slave his freedom, although doing so is said to increase a slave master's heavenly reward (Muslim slaves are implied in Qur'an (4:92)). As far as the Islamic courts are concerned, a master may treat his slaves however he chooses without fear of punishment.

    Abolition had to be forcibly imposed on the Islamic world against the rule of Sharia Law.

    Given that there have never been abolitionary movement within the Islamic world, it is astonishing to see contemporary Muslims write their religion into the history of abolition. The lie - that the eradication of slavery had something to do with Islam - has been repeated so often that those who parrot are blissfully ignorant of its lack of factual foundation.

    There was no William Wilberforce or Bartoleme de las Casas in Islam. As mentioned, Muhammad, the most revered figure in the religion, practiced and approved of slavery. Even his own pulpit was built with slave labor. Caliphs since have had harems of hundreds, sometimes thousands of young girls and women brought from Christian, Hindu and African lands to serve Islam's religious equivalent of the pope in the most demeaning fashion.

    One of Muhammad's closest companions was Umar, who became the 2nd caliph only two years after Muhammad died. It is fair to say that he would have known Islam better than any contemporary apologist - those who say that slaves can only be captured in war and wars can only be waged in self-defense.

    Under Umar's authority, Arab armies in Egypt invaded Black Africa to the south and attempted to conquer the Christian Makurians who were living there peacefully. Although the Muslims were held off, the Makurians had to sign a treaty to prevent recurring invasions. The terms of the Baqt included an annual payment of 360 "high quality" African slaves. The treaty stood for 700 years with no mention of the slightest opposition from generations of Muslim clerics and scholars.

    Umar himself was stabbed to death by a slave whose liberty he refused to grant. In this case, the slave was captured during the campaign against a Persia, one of many offensive wars waged by the Muslims against people who were not attacking them.

    Modern day apologists, in defending slavery under Islam, generally ignore the basic fact that reducing people to property is dehumanizing. Instead, they distract from this by comparing the theoretical treatment of slaves under Sharia with the worst examples of abuse from the era of European slavery.

    The first problem with this is that the actual practice of Muslim slavery was often remarkably at odds with the relatively humane treatment prescribed by Sharia. For example, according to the Ghanaian scholar John Azumah, nearly three times as many captured Africans died in harsh circumstances related to their transport to Muslim lands than were ever even enslaved by Europeans.

    A more insurmountable problem for the Muslim apologist who insists that slavery is "different" under Islam is presented by the many examples of Muhammad and his companions selling captured slaves to non-Muslim traders for material goods. The welfare of the slave was obviously of no consequence.

    Another myth about Islamic slavery is that it was not race-based. In fact it was. Muhammad's father-in-law, Umar, in his role as caliph, declared that Arabs could not be taken as slaves and even had all Arab slaves freed on his deathbed. This helped propel the vast Islamic campaign to capture slaves in Africa, Europe and Asia for importing into the Middle East.

    The greatest slave rebellion in human history took place in Basra, Iraq beginning in 869. A half-million African slaves staged a courageous uprising against their Arab-Islamic masters that lasted fifteen years before being brutally suppressed. (See Zanj Rebellion)

    Literally millions of Christians were captured into slavery during the many centuries of Jihad. So pervasive were the incursions by the Turks into Eastern Europe, that the English word for slave is based on Slav. Muslim slave raiders even operated as far north as England. In 1631, a French cleric in Algiers observed the sale of nearly 300 men, women and children, taken from a peaceful English fishing village:

    "It was a pitiful sight to see them exposed in the market…Women were separated from their husbands and the children from their fathers…on one side a husband was sold; on the other his wife; and her daughter was torn from her arms without the hope that they’d ever see each other again." (from the book, White Gold, which also details the story of English slave, Thomas Pellow, who was beaten, starved and tortured into embracing Islam).

    The Indian and Persian people suffered mightily as well - as did Africans. At least 17 million slaves (mostly black women and children) were brought out of Africa by Islamic traders - far more than the 11 million that were taken by the Europeans. However, these were only the survivors. As many as 85 million other Africans were thought to have died en route.

    Most telling, perhaps, is that slavery is still practiced in the Sudan, Niger, Mauritania and a few other corners of the Muslim world - and you won't see any of those Muslim apologists (who shamelessly repeat the lie that Islam abolished slavery) doing or saying anything about it!

    In fact, a fatwa was recently issued from a mainstream Islamic source reminding Muslim males of their divine right to rape female slaves and "discipline" resisters in "whatever manner he thinks is appropriate". Not one peep of protest from Islamic apologists was recorded. In 2013, the same site prominently proclaimed that "there is no dispute (among the scholars) that it is permissible to take concubines and to have intercourse with one's slave woman, because Allah says so."

    In 2011, what passes for a women's rights activist in Kuwait suggested that Russian women be taken captive in battle and turned into sex slaves in order to keep Muslim husbands from committing adultery. (Other calls for turning non-Muslim women into sex slaves can be found here).

    After the Islamic State kidnapped and pressed into slavery thousands of Yazidi women and children in 2014, the caliphate issued an FAQ of sorts on slavery which included rules on sexually molesting children: It is permissible to have sexual intercourse with the female slave who hasn’t reached puberty if she is fit for intercourse; however, if she is not fit for intercourse, then it is enough to enjoy her without intercourse. The best that "mainstream" apologists could muster in response was a letter appealing to "the reality of contemporary times", meaning that Islam has no fixed moral position on the rape of woman and children.

    Since Muhammad was a slave owner and slavery is permitted by the Qur'an, the Muslim world has never apologized for this dehumanizing practice. Even Muslims in the West will often try to justify slavery under Islam, since it is a part of the Qur'an.

    See also: The Myths of Islam: Slavery

    and Islamic Slavery and Denial

    and Answering-Islam: Slavery

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    Video of Islamic State members at one of the caliphate's sex slave markets in November, 2014. A price list was released setting the rate Yazidi and Christian girls between ages 10 and 20 at $130. Women between the ages of 20 and 30 were being sold for $86; a 30 to 40 year was being sold for $75 and 40 to 50 year old women were listed for sale at a price of $43.

    The price list began with these words: "In the name of Allah, most gracious and merciful and the Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). We have received news that the demand in kuffar women and cattle markets has sharply decreased and that will affecte Islamic State revenues as well as the funding of the Muslims in the battlefield. We have made some changes. Below are the prices of Yazidi and Christian women."

  7. Its not the pests which are the problem. The problem is the root ideology giving birth to them.

    TheReligionofPeace.com

    Guide to Understanding Islam

    What does the

    Religion of Peace

    Teach About...

    The Sex Life of the Prophet

    Question:

    Was Islam's "perfect man" sexually restrained?

    Summary Answer:

    The Quran (which was narrated by Muhammad) refers to Muhammad's life as "as beautiful pattern of conduct for anyone whose hope is in Allah" (33:21) and "an exalted standard of character" (68:4). Yet, thanks to Allah's extraordinary interest in his personal sex life (as immortalized in the Quran) the prophet of Islam had sex with just about anyone he pleased.

    Although the Qur'an didn't appear to have enough space for topics like universal love and brotherhood (which Muslims sometimes insist are there, but aren't), the list of sexual partners that Muhammad was entitled to is detailed more than once, sometimes in categories and sometimes in reference to specific persons (ie. Zaynab and Mary).

    Muhammad was married to thirteen women, including eleven at one time. He relegated them to sex on either consecutive days or (according to some accounts) all in one night. He had sex with a 9-year-old girl and married his adopted son's wife (after arranging a quick divorce). On top of that, Muhammad had a multitude of slave girls and concubines with whom he had sex - sometimes on the very days in which they had watched their husbands and fathers die at the hands of his army.

    So, by any realistic measure, the creator of the world's most sexually restrictive religion was also one of the most sexually indulgent characters in history.

    The Qur'an:

    Allah managed to hand down quite a few "revelations" that sanctioned Muhammad's personal pursuit of sex to the doubters around him. Interestingly they have become part of the the eternal, infallible word of the Qur'an, to be memorized by generations of Muslims for whom they have no possible relevance.

    Qur'an (33:37) - "But when Zaid had accomplished his want of her, We gave her to you as a wife, so that there should be no difficulty for the believers in respect of the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished their want of them; and Allah's command shall be performed."

    No doubt millions of young Muslims, trying to outdo one another at memorizing the Qur'an, have wondered about what this verse means and why it is there. In fact, this is a "revelation" of convenience that Allah just happened to hand down at a time when Muhammad lusted after his daughter-in-law, Zaynab, - a state of affairs that disturbed local customs. The verse "commands" Muhammad to marry the woman (following her husband's gracious divorce). As for why this should be part of the eternal word of God...?

    Qur'an (33:50) - "O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those slaves whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her-- specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those slaves whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; " This is another special command that Muhammad handed down to himself that allows virtually unlimited sex, divinely sanctioned by Allah. One assumes that this "revelation" was meant to assuage some sort of disgruntlement in the community over Muhammad's hedonism.

    Qur'an (33:51) - "You may put off whom you please of them, and you may take to you whom you please, and whom you desire of those whom you had separated provisionally; no blame attaches to you; this is most proper, so that their eyes may be cool and they may not grieve, and that they should be pleased" This is in reference to a situation in which Muhammad's wives were grumbling about his preference for sleeping with a slave girl (Mary the Copt) instead of them. Accordingly, Muhammad may sleep with whichever wife (or slave) he wishes without having to hear the others complain... as revealed in Allah's literal and perfect words to more than a billion Muslims.

    Qur'an (66:1-5) - "O Prophet! Why do you ban (for yourself) that which Allah has made lawful to you, seeking to please your wives?... Allah has already ordained for you, the dissolution of your oaths " Another remarkably personal passage of sexual convenience in a book billed as Allah's perfect and eternal message to mankind. Muhammad was caught sleeping with a slave woman on the night that he was supposed to be with one of his wives. Initially promising to be faithful, "Allah" tells his prophet to break that promise and enjoy sex with his slaves. If his wives objected then "it may be if he divorced you (all) that his Lord will give him instead of you, wives better than you."

    Qur'an (4:24) - "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those slaves whom your right hands possess." Allah even permitted Muhammad and his men to have sex with married slaves, such as those captured in battle.

    From the Hadith:

    Muslim (8:3309) - Muhammad aged 54 sexually consummated his marriage to Aisha when she was only nine years old. (See also Bukhari 58:234 and many other places). No where in the reliable Hadith or Sira is there any other age given.

    Bukhari (62:18) - Aisha's father, Abu Bakr, wasn't on board at first, but Muhammad explained how the rules of their religion made it possible. This is similar to the way that present-day cult leaders manipulate their followers into similar concessions.

    Muslim (8:3311) - The girl took her dolls with her to Muhammad's house (something to play with when the "prophet" was not having sex with her).

    Bukhari (6:298) - Muhammad would take a bath with the little girl and fondle her.

    Muslim (8:3460) - "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you could sport with her and she sport with you, or you could amuse with her and she could amuse with you?" Muhammad posed this question to one of his followers who had married an "older woman" instead of opting to fondle a child.

    Bukhari (4:232) - Muhammad's wives would wash semen stains out of his clothes, which were still wet from the spot-cleaning even when he went to the mosque for prayers. Between copulation and prayer, it's a wonder he found the time to slay pagans.

    Bukhari (6:300) - Muhammad's wives had to be available for the prophet's fondling even when they were having their menstrual period.

    Bukhari (93:639) - The Prophet of Islam would recite the 'Holy Qur'an' with his head in Aisha's lap, when she was menstruating.

    Bukhari (62:6) - "The Prophet used to go round (have sexual relations with) all his wives in one night, and he had nine wives." Muhammad also said that it was impossible to treat all wives equally - and it isn't hard to guess why.

    Bukhari (5:268) - "The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they became eleven in number." I asked Anas, 'Had the Prophet the strength for it?' Anas replied, 'We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty men.' "

    Bukhari (60:311) - "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires." These words were spoken by Aisha within the context of her husband having been given 'Allah's permission' to fulfill his sexual desires with a large number of women in whatever order he chooses. (It has been suggested that Aisha may have been speaking somewhat wryly).

    Muslim (8:3424) - One of several narrations in which a leering Muhammad orders a clearly startled woman to suckle a grown man with her breast so that he will become "unlawful" to her - meaning that they can live under the same roof together.

    Tabari IX:137 - "Allah granted Rayhana of the Qurayza to Muhammad as booty." Muhammad considered the women that he captured and enslaved to be God's gift to him.

    Tabari VIII:117 - "Dihyah had asked the Messenger for Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself... the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims." He sometimes pulled rank to reserve the most beautiful captured women for himself.

    Tabari IX:139 - "You are a self-respecting girl, but the prophet is a womanizer." Words spoken by the disappointed parents of a girl who had 'offered' herself to Muhammad (he accepted).

    Additional Notes:

    Muhammad's sexual antics are an embarrassment to those Muslims who are aware of them. This is particularly so for their prophet's consummation of his marriage to Aisha when she was only nine years of age. The thought of a 54-year-old man sleeping and bathing with a young girl is intensely unpleasant and it reflects the disgusting character of a sexual glutton rather than a holy man. Critics assert that Prophet Muhammad was clearly a pedophile.

    Some Muslims respond by denying the hadith itself, which is a mistake. The accounts of Muhammad sleeping with a 9-year-old are no less reliable than those on which the five pillars of Islam are based. They have been an accepted part of tradition and did not become controversial until social mores began to change with the modern age.

    The charge of pedophilia may or may not be true, depending on how it is defined. Technically, Muhammad did have a sexual relationship with a child, but Aisha was also the youngest of his twelve wives. Zaynab was in her 30's when she attracted the unquenchable lust of the prophet. We don't know the age of Muhammad's sex slaves. They may or may not have been as young as Aisha, but there is no point in speculating.

    Prior to the medical advances of the last century, marriage occurred at a much younger age across all societies. When life expectancy was in the mid 20's (or lower), it made no sense to wait until 19 to start having children; otherwise, one ran the risk of not being around to raise them. In short, childhood as we know it was abbreviated by the reality of the times.

    Another strong piece of evidence against Muhammad being a pedophile is that, according to the same Hadith, he waited from the time Aisha was six (when the marriage ceremony took place) until she turned nine to consummate the relationship. Although the text doesn't say why, in all probability it was because he was waiting for her to begin menstrual cycles - thus entering into "womanhood." It is unlikely that a pedophile would be concerned about this.

    On the other hand, Muhammad passed down revelations from Allah that clearly condoned sleeping with underage girls, even by the standard of puberty. Qur'an (65:4) relates rules for divorce, one of them being that a waiting period of three months is established to determine that the woman is not pregnant. But the same rule applies to "those too who have not had their courses," meaning girls who have not begun to menstruate. (In our opinion, this would have been a great time for Allah to have said something else instead like, "a real man is one who marries an actual, grown woman"... but that's just us).

    Thanks to Muhammad's extremely poor judgment (at best) and explicit approval of pedophilia, sex with children became deeply ingrained in the Islamic tradition. For many centuries, Muslim armies would purge Christian and Hindu peasant villages of their menfolk and send the women and children to harems and the thriving child sex slave markets deep in the Islamic world.

    When it comes to child marriage, contemporary clerics warn fellow Muslims against succumbing to the disapproval of the Christian West: "It behooves those who call for setting a minimum age for marriage to fear Allah and not contradict his Sharia, or try to legislate things Allah did not permit. For laws are Allah’s province; and legislation is his excusive right, to be shared by none other. And among these are the rules governing marriage.”

    The Ayatollah Khomeini, who married a 12-year-old girl, even gave his consent to using infants for sexual pleasure (although warning against full penetration until the baby is a few years older). In April, 2010, a 13-year-old Yemeni girl died from injuries suffered to her womb during "intercourse".

    Some clerics show relative mercy on underage girls by advocating a process known as "thighing" (also known as child molestation in the West). According to a recent fatwa (number 23672), an imam answers this question: "My parents married me to a young girl who hasn't yet reached puberty. How can I enjoy her sexually?" by telling the 'man' that he may "hug her, kiss her, and ejaculate between her legs."

    A prominent member of Saudi Arabia's highest religious council said in 2012 that girls can be married "even if they are in the cradle," then went on to explain that intercourse may occur whenever "they are capable of being placed beneath and bearing the weight of the man."

    Muhammad's penchant for girls so much younger than him was such that at least two of his father-in-laws (Abu Bakr and Omar, the first two Caliphs) were actually younger than him as well. This disappointing pattern is very much at odds with the sort of sexual discipline that one might expect of a true "prophet of God."

    Muhammad's pursuit of Zaynab, the wife of his adopted son is almost as tough for Muslims to explain. This is because it not only raises a similar question of moral character, but also casts suspicion on whether his so-called prophecies were really divine revelation or dictates of personal convenience. According to one biographer, even Aisha appears to be somewhat doubtful of Muhammad's claim that Allah commanded him to marry Zaynab, wryly remarking, "Truly Allah seems to be very quick in fulfilling your prayers."

    So controversial was Muhammad's desire to marry his adopted son's wife that he had to justify it with a stern pronouncement from Allah on the very institution of adoption, which has had tragic consequences to this day. Verses 33:4-5 are widely interpreted to imply that Islam is against adoption, meaning that an untold number of children in the Islamic world have been needlessly orphaned - all because Muhammad's lustful desires for a married woman went beyond even what the other six wives that he possessed at the time and a multitude of slaves could satisfy.

    Some Muslims deny that Muhammad was married to more than four women at a time, merely on the basis that the Qur'an only gives permission for marrying four. Unfortunately, Muslims historians disagree. Only one of Muhammad's last eleven wives died before him (Zaynab bint Khuzayma). The rest outlived him by many years.

    Muhammad forbade his ten widows from remarrying, even making sure that this "divine" order was forever preserved in the eternal word of Allah - Qur'an (33:53). To add insult to injury, they were all summarily disinherited from Muhammad's estate by his successor (courtesy of another divine order "given" to Abu Bakr from Allah).

    In summary, Islam's holiest texts portray Muhammad not as a perfect man, but as a sexual hedonist. Not only did he become fat from indulging in food, but his pursuit of sex was no less gluttonous. On top of it all, he used personal "revelations" from Allah to justify his debauchery to the gullible masses which, to this day, continue to be venerated and memorized as if they are the holiest of utterances.

    Further Reading: Proof Muhammad was a Pedophile

  8. MalangBadshah, on 25 Dec 2014 - 11:41, said:snapback.png

    Lastly, didn't Guru Nanak respect Muhammad ji ?

    I don't remember Guru Granth Sahib warning Sikhs about Muhammad and his pedophilia

    Guru Sahib condemned slavery and pedophilia in the strongest terms. It was the reason that Bhai Mardana Ji left Islam to become the first Sikh in history and why the Muslims tried to kill Guru Sahib and Bhai Mardana in an area that is now in modern day Pakistan.

    Kaam (lust) is condemned by Guru Sahib and Prophet Muhammad's lust at the age of 54 for having sex with a poor little 9 year old girl (his wife Aisha that he had married three years earlier when she was only 6 years old) cannot be defended by any sane rational human being.

    Do you admit that any so-called religion based on the words of a man who at the age of 54 had sex with a 9year old is bogus?

    Do you accept that slaveowners deserve nothing but death? As Guru Sahib clearly taught us to kill such evil masands (crooks).

    http://www.thereligi...015-slavery.htm

    Jacfsing2, on 25 Dec 2014 - 21:48, said:snapback.png

    There are Muslim forums online, since you love their religion so much you should join them, also to Arab Muslims the Pakistanis are considered trash. Just saying the truth.

    Bro, he is active on various Muslim forums. He was known as Auzer and Pakistani_Punjabi and PP02 on this forum before when he was banned preivously for abusing Sikh girls as ugly sluts and praising the great Muslim Emperor Aurangzeb's for Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji's shaheedi. He's a theology grad student from Cali and his ancestors were Hindu farmers from the Arain-Kamboh-Saini caste. Real name Azhar Muhammad Arain.

    This is one of his posts on a Muslim forum.

    What about Christian onslaught against Islam? What should be Islam's answer? AUZER (MalangBadShah) said: What about the severe onslaught against Islam from Christianity? Almost ALL the anti-Islamic websites on the internet are Christian apologetics websites. Christians are converting Muslims to Christianity all over the Muslim world. Why there's no 'fight-back' from Islamic societies? Christian apologist spend hours in "debunking Islam" on satellite televisions all over the West and now in the Muslim world too. Why Muslims are so far behind in Islamic apologetics and exposing Christianity and its true intentions? I have remained a member of two of the largest Christian forums on the internet and Wa'Allah (By Allah) there was soooooo much propaganda and slandering against Islam and Prophet Muhammad (SAW) that it was depressing.Everyday , there would be a thread about "debunking-Islam" and "women oppression" in Islam or about exposing the truth about Prophet Muhammad (SAW) ...Many Christians in these websites are really good human beings but when they see the so called "reality" of Islam in such forums , they become against Islam and start working to stop the spread of Islam . This trend can be very dangerous for the spread of Islam ,God forbid.

    http://www.faithfreedom.org/

    I think that Muslims with good apologetical knowledge and strong iman should also spend some time in these Christian forums and clear misconceptions regarding Islam. Also in real life , Muslims with good knowledge should clear misconceptions regarding Islam humbly.

    http://www.answering...tent/index.html

    NOTE : People who do not have appropriate command of Islamic apologetics should not engage in 'debates' because then they will lose the debate and hence hurt their imaan too...

    So what must we Muslims do to handle this situation?

    Because he knows he can't defend Islam he pretends to be a Sikh in his new troll disguise.

    MalangBadshah, on 26 Dec 2014 - 03:00, said:snapback.png

    1. What in my OP tells you that I love Muslim religion so much?

    2. Muslim Punjabis are 76 million to 80 million while Sikh Punjabis are barely 20 million. The TFR of Punjabi Muslims is ~ three kids per woman while that of Sikh Punjabis is pathetic--1.89---which means our population will contract in coming decades and will get older...whereas Muslim Punjabis will expand even further and will be much younger.

    3. Muslim Punjabis have a state of their own, a massive nuclearized military machine of their own, their own police, and control over federal government as well. This greatly enhances their chances of survival and thriving in future...because a state-system is necessary for long-term survival of a peoples and their future. We have already seen what happens when you don't have a state-system to protect/support you. The fertility rates of Punjabi Sikhs are down, there is a massive drug problem, Bihari immigrants/Hindus are over-running Punjab, Punjab (indian) was already divided into three parts!, and federal state power (over which we don't have any control) killed our peoples in thousands and burned our holiest places.

    4. Can you imagine any thing like that happening with Muslim Punjabis? Not a chance! Muslim Punjabi generals of Pakistan will burn down Delhi before Hindus even think of attacking major mosques in Pakistan.

    5. Muslim Punjab has much less drug problem, they are well-grounded in their Islamic faith, and Muslim punjabis are expanding while we are contracting.

    6. All of this shows us that the future of Punjabi peoples globally resides with Muslim Punjabis!!

    7. These are just facts...

    1. Everyone knows who you are (Auzer, the Pakistani Punjabi, PP02) and everyone knows you are Muslim.

    2. We do not focus obsessively on achieving world domination through numbers and higher fertility rates. When Guru Nanak Dev Ji first preached the message of Ik Onkar (one God) and Truth ie condemnation of evil actions such as terrorism, pedophilia and slavery less than 0.01% of Punjabi's were Sikh. Even at the start of the 19th century at the begininning Maharaja Ranjit Singh establishing indigenous (Sikh) rule in Punjab, Sikhs only numbered 5% of all Punjabi's. When Muslims launched ethnic cleansing against Sikhs in 1947 to achieve Pakistan even then Sikhs only numbered 13% of all Punjabi's. We should be steadfast to believing truth regardless of how many adherents the political ideology of an Arab slaveowner and pedophile from 1400 years ago commands as a result of Mughal rule converting your Hindu Arain farmer ancestors via the sword to Islam just like the Yazidi's and the innocent girls Boko Haram enslaved. Your numbers are built on a house of cards. Let there be equal exposure of children globally to the teachings of Sikhi and Islam (without fear of apostates from Islam being killed as Prophet Muhammad ordered them to be) and you will see billions leave Islam for Sikhi just like Bhai Mardana Ji our most beloved first Sikh did.

    3. The truth of Sikhi can never be stopped or killed. The Islamic Empire of the Mughals failed to stop Sikhi despite repeated genocides. And whilst I understand your motivation as a Pakistani for wanting Khalistan, the best thing you can do to encourage it is by encouraging Pakistan to be broken into linguistic successor states. Pakistan is the glue that holds India together. The minute Pakistan disintegrates as a single nation state then India has a greater chance of following suit.

    4. The Muslim Punjabi generals who control the Pakistan Army and who despise Sikhs always talk big but always lose. They said they would take Delhi in 1965 and 1971 yet both times the Sikhs (far fewer in number than your master race the Muslim Punjabi's stopped the Pakistan Army in both wars).

    5. Rates of drug addiction in east Punjab are nothing to be proud of and we Sikhs must fight to address that. But guess what, there is a far bigger drug addiction problem in West Punjab and Pakistan is the source and financial beneficiary of all heroine in East Punjab. You think you are expanding through sheer numbers but the truth of Prophet Muhammad's life, as a slaveowner and pedophile, as it becomes more widely known amongst honest Muslims will eventually result in more and more good people born into Muslim families leaving Islam. Our Tenth Master was born in Bihar by the way and its true we have not educated enough Bihari's about this truth and nor have we educated enough Punjabi Muslims about our most beloved first Sikh - Bhai Mardana Ji - whose parents were Muslims just like yours. If Bhai Mardana Ji was brave enough to leave Islam and reject the evil slavery, terrorism and pedophilia that the Quran supports, so you should try to be brave enough to leave Islam too, rather than pimping tirelessly to gain converts by stealth.

    6. Muslim Punjabi's who are desperate to speak Urdu and proudly bear their Arabic slave names are hardly any future, as Arabic cultural slaves can hardly be torch bearers for the ancestry they feel ashamed of.

    7. Your so-called facts are mostly propaganda. If you are serious about wanting to help Sikhs, how about you commit to openly and verifiably making a $1,000 donation to:

    http://barusahib.org/donate/

    Out of respect for you showing your goodwill to Sikhs, I will verifiably match you. But as a Muslim you will not donate any $1,000 to kaffirs, will you? Heck, you are too scared to even admit you are Muslim as you know that theologically you cannot defend Islam.

  9. Lastly, didn't Guru Nanak respect Muhammad ji ?

    I don't remember Guru Granth Sahib warning Sikhs about Muhammad and his pedophilia

    Guru Sahib condemned slavery and pedophilia in the strongest terms. It was the reason that Bhai Mardana Ji left Islam to become the first Sikh in history and why the Muslims tried to kill Guru Sahib and Bhai Mardana in an area that is now in modern day Pakistan.

    Kaam (lust) is condemned by Guru Sahib and Prophet Muhammad's lust at the age of 54 for having sex with a poor little 9 year old girl (his wife Aisha that he had married three years earlier when she was only 6 years old) cannot be defended by any sane rational human being.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTeAB4l0KCM

    Do you admit that any so-called religion based on the words of a man who at the age of 54 had sex with a 9year old is bogus?

    Do you accept that slaveowners deserve nothing but death? As Guru Sahib clearly taught us to kill such evil masands (crooks).

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/015-slavery.htm

    There are Muslim forums online, since you love their religion so much you should join them, also to Arab Muslims the Pakistanis are considered trash. Just saying the truth.

    Bro, he is active on various Muslim forums. He was known as Auzer and Pakistani_Punjabi and PP02 on this forum before when he was banned preivously for abusing Sikh girls as ugly sluts and praising the great Muslim Emperor Aurangzeb's for Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji's shaheedi. He's a theology grad student from Cali and his ancestors were Hindu farmers from the Arain-Kamboh-Saini caste. Real name Azhar Muhammad Arain.

    This is one of his posts on a Muslim forum.

    What about Christian onslaught against Islam? What should be Islam's answer? AUZER (MalangBadShah) said: What about the severe onslaught against Islam from Christianity? Almost ALL the anti-Islamic websites on the internet are Christian apologetics websites. Christians are converting Muslims to Christianity all over the Muslim world. Why there's no 'fight-back' from Islamic societies? Christian apologist spend hours in "debunking Islam" on satellite televisions all over the West and now in the Muslim world too. Why Muslims are so far behind in Islamic apologetics and exposing Christianity and its true intentions? I have remained a member of two of the largest Christian forums on the internet and Wa'Allah (By Allah) there was soooooo much propaganda and slandering against Islam and Prophet Muhammad (SAW) that it was depressing.Everyday , there would be a thread about "debunking-Islam" and "women oppression" in Islam or about exposing the truth about Prophet Muhammad (SAW) ...Many Christians in these websites are really good human beings but when they see the so called "reality" of Islam in such forums , they become against Islam and start working to stop the spread of Islam . This trend can be very dangerous for the spread of Islam ,God forbid.

    http://www.faithfreedom.org/

    I think that Muslims with good apologetical knowledge and strong iman should also spend some time in these Christian forums and clear misconceptions regarding Islam. Also in real life , Muslims with good knowledge should clear misconceptions regarding Islam humbly.

    http://www.answering-islam.org/Muhammad/Inconsistent/index.html

    NOTE : People who do not have appropriate command of Islamic apologetics should not engage in 'debates' because then they will lose the debate and hence hurt their imaan too...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c79AXU8bOSQ

    So what must we Muslims do to handle this situation?

    Because he knows he can't defend Islam he pretends to be a Sikh in his new troll disguise.

    1. What in my OP tells you that I love Muslim religion so much?

    2. Muslim Punjabis are 76 million to 80 million while Sikh Punjabis are barely 20 million. The TFR of Punjabi Muslims is ~ three kids per woman while that of Sikh Punjabis is pathetic--1.89---which means our population will contract in coming decades and will get older...whereas Muslim Punjabis will expand even further and will be much younger.

    3. Muslim Punjabis have a state of their own, a massive nuclearized military machine of their own, their own police, and control over federal government as well. This greatly enhances their chances of survival and thriving in future...because a state-system is necessary for long-term survival of a peoples and their future. We have already seen what happens when you don't have a state-system to protect/support you. The fertility rates of Punjabi Sikhs are down, there is a massive drug problem, Bihari immigrants/Hindus are over-running Punjab, Punjab (indian) was already divided into three parts!, and federal state power (over which we don't have any control) killed our peoples in thousands and burned our holiest places.

    4. Can you imagine any thing like that happening with Muslim Punjabis? Not a chance! Muslim Punjabi generals of Pakistan will burn down Delhi before Hindus even think of attacking major mosques in Pakistan.

    5. Muslim Punjab has much less drug problem, they are well-grounded in their Islamic faith, and Muslim punjabis are expanding while we are contracting.

    6. All of this shows us that the future of Punjabi peoples globally resides with Muslim Punjabis!!

    7. These are just facts...

    1. Everyone knows who you are (Auzer, the Pakistani Punjabi, PP02) and everyone knows you are Muslim.

    2. We do not focus obsessively on achieving world domination through numbers and higher fertility rates. When Guru Nanak Dev Ji first preached the message of Ik Onkar (one God) and Truth ie condemnation of evil actions such as terrorism, pedophilia and slavery less than 0.01% of Punjabi's were Sikh. Even at the start of the 19th century at the begininning Maharaja Ranjit Singh establishing indigenous (Sikh) rule in Punjab, Sikhs only numbered 5% of all Punjabi's. When Muslims launched ethnic cleansing against Sikhs in 1947 to achieve Pakistan even then Sikhs only numbered 13% of all Punjabi's. We should be steadfast to believing truth regardless of how many adherents the political ideology of an Arab slaveowner and pedophile from 1400 years ago commands as a result of Mughal rule converting your Hindu Arain farmer ancestors via the sword to Islam just like the Yazidi's and the innocent girls Boko Haram enslaved. Your numbers are built on a house of cards. Let there be equal exposure of children globally to the teachings of Sikhi and Islam (without fear of apostates from Islam being killed as Prophet Muhammad ordered them to be) and you will see billions leave Islam for Sikhi just like Bhai Mardana Ji our most beloved first Sikh did.

    3. The truth of Sikhi can never be stopped or killed. The Islamic Empire of the Mughals failed to stop Sikhi despite repeated genocides. And whilst I understand your motivation as a Pakistani for wanting Khalistan, the best thing you can do to encourage it is by encouraging Pakistan to be broken into linguistic successor states. Pakistan is the glue that holds India together. The minute Pakistan disintegrates as a single nation state then India has a greater chance of following suit.

    4. The Muslim Punjabi generals who control the Pakistan Army and who despise Sikhs always talk big but always lose. They said they would take Delhi in 1965 and 1971 yet both times the Sikhs (far fewer in number than your master race the Muslim Punjabi's stopped the Pakistan Army in both wars).

    5. Rates of drug addiction in east Punjab are nothing to be proud of and we Sikhs must fight to address that. But guess what, there is a far bigger drug addiction problem in West Punjab and Pakistan is the source and financial beneficiary of all heroine in East Punjab. You think you are expanding through sheer numbers but the truth of Prophet Muhammad's life, as a slaveowner and pedophile, as it becomes more widely known amongst honest Muslims will eventually result in more and more good people born into Muslim families leaving Islam. Our Tenth Master was born in Bihar by the way and its true we have not educated enough Bihari's about this truth and nor have we educated enough Punjabi Muslims about our most beloved first Sikh - Bhai Mardana Ji - whose parents were Muslims just like yours. If Bhai Mardana Ji was brave enough to leave Islam and reject the evil slavery, terrorism and pedophilia that the Quran supports, so you should try to be brave enough to leave Islam too, rather than pimping tirelessly to gain converts by stealth.

    6. Muslim Punjabi's who are desperate to speak Urdu and proudly bear their Arabic slave names are hardly any future, as Arabic cultural slaves can hardly be torch bearers for the ancestry they feel ashamed of.

    7. Your so-called facts are mostly propaganda. If you are serious about wanting to help Sikhs, how about you commit to openly and verifiably making a $1,000 donation to:

    http://barusahib.org/donate/

    Out of respect for you showing your goodwill to Sikhs, I will verifiably match you. But as a Muslim you will not donate any $1,000 to kaffirs, will you? Heck, you are too scared to even admit you are Muslim as you know that theologically you cannot defend Islam.

  10. ^^^^ who are u kidding Mr Muhammad Badshah Ji?

    Why would people ditch the peaceful teachings of Lord Buddha to follow the teaching of Prophet Muhammad who Muslims openly accept was a pedophile and slaveowner. Prophet Muhammad when he was 51 married Aisha when she was just 6 and three years later when Prophet Muhammad was 54 years old he had penetrative sex with pre-pubescent little girl child Aisha on her 9th birthday.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTeAB4l0KCM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWZWOF4Znvc

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNIpCLir3W4

    http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/slavery.htm

    Please explain to me why 100% of Punjabi Muslims revere Prophet Muhammad as the best role model for humanity in contrast to Guru Nanak Dev Ji or Guru Gobind Singh Ji?

    Instead of trumpeting Punjabi Muslims as the master race should you not explore ways of how to free Punjabi Muslims from Arabic cultural slavery and free them from the terrorism inspired by a pedophile and slaveowner from 1400 years ago?

    Sikhs believe in one God. Punjabi Muslims believe in one God. Surely all Punjabi Muslims can become Sikh if they are educated about the evil truth regarding Prophet Muhammad's life and the contrast with Sikh Guru's who dedicated their whole lives towards compassion, freedom, justice, gender equality, anti-slavery ideals.

  11. it refers to any person who supports pedophilia and slavery.

    For example, many muSULLmaans support pedophilia by default just because Prophet Muhammad was 54 when he first had sex with 9 year old Aisha. Obviously many kaffir peoples (the opposite of sullay-maans) believe pedophilia to be wrong hence the term's origins.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrRlsMRomtI

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b304zMmULM

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