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I think the reason why there is a "perceived inferiority complex" is because at this current moment in time, the Brits and the west do better in general than the east.

They govern better, they have a rule of law, they tend to have better cohesion. They may have robbed and looted but they used that loot to improve their condition, living standards, quality of life.

We can blame the Brits all we want, but that is not going to get you anywhere.

We have cultural flaws that had enabled the conquest. We should address those issues.

An example I can provide of how the blacks have great resentment over the white man over slavery. Many African Americans have gone to west Africa to see where their ancestors were and what did they discover? That Africans were involved in the slave trade, they were betrayed by their own.

Whites never looted anything from colonies. This is a lie. There was nothing to loot as the east was largely agrarian societies. If anything they brought industry to the east.

The fundamental difference between all humans are cultural outlook. Whites have greater cohesion then most other races. They have better relationship among each other. They are far more honest and truthful. They have a more balanced outlook towards life. That is why they are able to achieve a lot.

Compare this to Indians. If you want to understand the Indian mind set, just watch Z TV dramas. Over inflated ego, back stabbing, fighting, lying, cheating, stealing, crazy delusional one minded view of the world, unable to rationalize....etc, etc. And that is why India will always be India, a king sized <banned word filter activated> hole. I can't believe people actually switch on the tv to watch that crap.

Some Asians admire this trait of whites, like the Japanese, Chinese and Koreans, so they mimick them as best as they can and achieve a lot. That explains how places like Hong Kong and Japan are economic powerhouses. Indians, Africans, Mid Easterners... and a good number of Punjabis suffer from envy and delusional mindset. Somehow in their cuckoo mumbo jumbo world, Whites made them poor. They never look at their own flaws. Not now, not tomorrow, not ever. And they will always remain stupid.

Just look at Africa and S. America. They are sitting on so much wealth yet they are so poor.

You can put as many links as you like, people will still vote for him.

Don't waste your time with her. You can't fix a broken record.

If Trump hired illegal immigrants, he would have been roasted by the MSM. He subcontracts and he can't control how his subcontractors hire people. As for his supposed failures, corporate bankruptcy are filed by most businesses in the US. Out of the 100's of corporations that he owns, 4 filed for chapter 11. That is not bad and a pretty good track record.

To put a comparison, Warren Buffet, the libs version of Trump, would have lost everything if he didn't receive government bailout. At least Trump never took any tax payers money, unlike Warrent Buffet, Citi, BOA, GM....etc, etc.

look at what Guru ji said if you don't have enough of an idea of a person's value ...you want to praise people who use black and mexican people for their labour but then tell them to get out of sight for lowering the prestige of a place ...then that shows me a whole lot of how your brain works . I respect people who choose to work instead of sit on benefits even if they are prepared to work multiple jobs to take care of their responsibility . Trump did not earn from the ground up he had a tiny loan from his folks: one million dollars. chep digs don't change the truth about Trump's scummy behaviour to others of different colours

you should be sneering at Einstein he was only a lowly post office clerk...or even Guru Nanak Dev ji he only did modikhanna work as a clerk and then Farming

Once again, nobody put a gun to your head. Nobody is forcing you to work for anyone. If you can't understand this, get someone to translate to Punjabi and explain it to you.

Stop quoting our Gurus Maharaj Ji as it is arrogant to believe that they will side with you. You are not a Sant or Baba and you have no authority to be quoting our Gurus.

Have you ever considered seeking psychiatric help? Seriously, you sound like someone who is mentally unstable. LOL!

31,000 attend rally at Costa Mesa, CA. I wonder how many people Clinton or Sanders attract in their rallies.

why does the person's workplace matter ...they are doing kirt di kamai and should be respected for it . Unlike those who made their money from exploiting others.

If you're working in some blue collar job, are you in the position to call anybody else stupid when you achieved very little of yourself? That is the point here.

Nobody 'exploited' you. Nobody put a gun to your head and forced you to work for them. Stop smoking weed. It clouds ones judgement of reality.

Isn't it ironic, stupid losers working at Tesco's, Walmart, McD's, calling George W, Trump.... stupid? These are people who have never ran a single thing in their entire dumb lives and they think they're smarter then everybody else.

There appears to be a direct correlation between arrogance and stupidity.

Update: Kasich drops out to. So yeah, it's going to be Trump.

Thanatos, do you believe everything the media tells you?

Ted Cruz has dropped out. Looks like Trump will more then likely win the GOP nomination. This guy (Trump) has defied every single prediction against him. You have to give credit where it's due. If he runs against Clinton, he's going to most likely win. She does not stand a chance against him.

History in the making here.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ted-cruz-desperately-seeks-stop-donald-trump-indiana-071408622--election.html

If you do not know about DG then why are you claiming that it draws parallel between Hinduism and sikhism and because of DG Hindus can claim sikhism as a sect

of Hinduism.

You do not make any sense. For your information if there is any granth that condemns Brahminism in entirety it is Sri Dasam Granth sahib.Please sit back and read from Dasam Granth

ਆਦਿ ਅਜੋਨਿ ਕਹਾਇ ਕਹੋ ਕਿਮ ਦੇਵਕਿ ਕੇ ਜਠਰੰਤਰ ਆਯੋ ॥ ਤਾਤ ਨ ਮਾਤ ਕਹੈ ਜਿਹ ਕੋ ਤਿਹ ਕਯੋਂ ਬਸੁਦੇਵਹਿ ਬਾਪੁ ਕਹਾਯੋ ॥੧੪॥

आदि अजोनि कहाइ कहो किम देवकि के जठरंतर आयो ॥ तात न मात कहै जिह को तिह कयों बसुदेवहि बापु कहायो ॥१४॥

He is said to be unborn and beginningless, then how did he come into the womb of Devaki ? He , who is considered without any father or mother, then why did he cause Vasudev to be called his father?14.

Sri Dasam Granth sahib

ਜੌ ਕਹੌ ਰਾਮ ਅਜੋਨਿ ਅਜੈ ਅਤਿ ਕਾਹੇ ਕੌ ਕੌਸ਼ਲ ਕੁੱਖ ਜਯੋ ਜੂ ॥ ਕਾਲ ਹੂੰ ਕਾਲ ਕਹੈ ਜਿਹਿ ਕੌ ਕਿਹਿ ਕਾਰਣ ਕਾਲ ਤੇ ਦੀਨ ਭਯੋ ਜੂ ॥

जौ कहौ राम अजोनि अजै अति काहे कौ कौशल कु्ख जयो जू ॥ काल हूं काल कहै जिहि कौ किहि कारण काल ते दीन भयो जू ॥

If we consider Ram, the Lord as Unborn, then how did he take brith from the womb of Kaushalya ? He, who is said to be the KAL (destroyer) of KAL (death), then why did none become subjugated himself before KAL?

Guru Gobind singh ji in Sri Dasam Granth sahib

The DG Ji is far more then what you have quoted.

In this very forum, we have one poster who justifies Hindu practices by quoting the DG Ji. I sometimes wonder if that poster is a Hindu or a Sikh.

I am surprised that you are not aware of tejja bhasaur.please read here

http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Babu_Teja_Singh

Can you clarify yourself what you write in second para if I was a Hinsu ------------.

Why a repressive govt of Indira Gandhi and her son would like to attack Dasam granth sahib ? Answer is simple as after 1984 they wanted to divide and weaken Sikhs

I'm sorry, I really don't know much about DG Ji other then there is a lot of controversy on it.

Why would the Indian government attack the DG Ji when it is the best source for drawing parallels between Sikhism and Hinduism? That does not make logical sense. By drawing parallels the Hindus can finally lay claim that Sikhism is a sect of Hinduism.

As it is Sikhism is not recognized by the GOI as a separate and distinct religion. Using DG Ji to claim Sikhism is Hinduism, the GOI can pry open the seats of power that controls Sikhism. First would be legislation created to open the election of Jathedars to Hindus as well. That will be the beginning of the end.

The best way to kill your enemy is from within and not outward attacks. Outwards attacks only bolsters your enemy to further unite against you.

Ram rai sect was not part of Sikhism as they were excommunicated lot.

Seeds of shunning dasam Granth are in Singh Sabha movement. In 1897 a sodhak committee was formed to evaluate it.though that resulted in standardization of Sri Dasam Granth sahib with unanimous approval of it being bani of Dasam pita yet question arises why they formed the committee.

Then came teja Singh bhasaur who questioned ardas pauri. He also took out bhat and Bhagat bani out of Sri Guru Granth Sahib. He was promoted by British and his was Hindu phobia.

After bhasauria Dasam granth sahib beadbi occurred at Akal takhat and gurdwara ramsar sahib.because of that SGPc lifted its parkash at akal takhat sahib and gurudwara Ramsar sahib in 1943. Some elements shortened chaupai sahib. Slowly Sri Dasam granth sahib went out of Sikh memory.

Present assault most vicious one was launched by most probably at instance of GOI after 1991 wherein atheist elements missionaries were roped in along some disgruntled scholars like gurtej ,kala afghana, gur darshan Dillon etc.

Can you please provide a source to verify the fact that Teja Singh Bhasaur took out bhat and Bhagat bani out from SGGS Ji Maharaj?

If I was a Hindu that was hell bent on destroying Sikhims I would love Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji as I can draw parallels between Hinduism and Sikhism, and finally lay claim that Sikhism is a sect of Hinduism. Why would the GOI want to assault Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji? It does not logically make sense.

Are you REALLY that simple????

The way the repressed Victorian attitudes took hold was simple, they 'educated' an elite infecting them with this - then this elite went on to do parchaar to the masses indirectly via pamphlets and other written material.

In CP's case, it wasn't that parchaar was actively done against it - they just appeared to have kept quite about the contents to the masses. The maintained a silence about it and anything else they considered 'strange' due to their 'education' in Christian schools.

I think you acutely suffer from the opposite of what you accuse me of. You have such a deeply ingrained inferiority complex towards goray that you can't imagine them doing anything wrong, devious, or primarily for their own agenda and interests as opposed to ours.

Maybe you should try understanding a bit more. My point is that Sikhi, via Gurbani, HEAVILY utilises contemporary Indic metaphors and mythology in making points (yes, even when rejecting what people call 'Hinduism' these days). I think some people took this too far, and became negatively inclined towards Dasam Granth because it so heavily utilises this Indic framework (amongst other things). Some simple minds see this and mistake the contents for being 'Hindu' in some way as a consequence.

Evidence suggests that our Gurus had no problem with using existing Indic (which some people call Hindu) myths and stories to elucidate certain concepts - Chandi ki vaar is a blatant and well known example of this.

Maybe you should sod off to a protestant church near you btw?

Who were these 'elites' that were educated in with repressed Victorian attitudes? Please provide details.

I think the hate actually has its antecedents from the colonial period.

That's when you start getting the movement to distance SIkhs from anything remotely considered Hindu (which I think it would be more accurate to call Indic).

Prior to this, there was no problems with DG in the panth. Then after colonisation we get a different attitude towards the granth - 'it contains Hinduism', 'They are full of "erotic" tales', 'they deify Hindu devtays' etc. etc.

I think a part of the negative attitude towards Charitrio Pakyaan stems from the prudish, repressed Victorian attitudes towards sexual matters that seeped into our community whilst being colonised by these said people. By the time they had finished 'educating' us with their values, some of us began to feel that such tales could never come from dasmesh pita.

Sikhism is a complete rejection of Hinduism. There is no arguments here. Otherwise there is no need to create a new religion, just a sect within Hinduism. Those of you arguing otherwise, I suggest your go to the source then and partake in Hinduism at a Mandir near you.

I fail to see how colonialism affected the mindset of the average Sikh back then as most could not understand, read or even write English. Even today, I very much doubt the average Sikh in Punjab knows what is 'Victorian' or 'repressed Victorian attitudes'. I think your anti white outlook is clouding your judgement.

Yea there r also clueless "sikhs", who celebrate independance/republic day, and dream of bathing in the cow tatti infested river of the ganges.

LOL!

Isn't it amazing? Someone who believes taking laps in filthy ganga will erase their sins believe they are the smart ones. The same clown who worships animals think they're smarter then everybody else. I swear, there is a direct correlation between stupidity and arrogance.

Starstriker.

Heard of Crimea?

Heard of East Timor?

I never gave anyone advice about going to Ganga ji :) There is no point for the retarded to go at tiriths anyways, they will come out just as fish stay ignorant even if they are exposed to the truth since they have not been blessed. Besides, I don't agree with some things that I have said in the past anymore, since I am learning more everyday (as you are too!), since I am a Sikh aka learner. I'm sure that you have evolved as a person as well since before joining this forum, or even doing khoj of dharma.

O yes you did my dear Hindu. Let's not indulge in lies now shall we? If you Hindus are so 'blessed' how come you got your butts kicked by Muslims? You will get no blessings by praying to rivers, stone, trees, animal...etc, etc...my foolish friend.

I am not delusional I am not counting on others to look after my affairs ..after all they never protected me from violence before so why believe they will in the future , it would be nice if they did but being prepared is our duty anyhow, how many times in our itihaas have allies abandoned the SIkh side and sided with the enemy? Plenty in fact Guru Gobind SIngh ji warned us not to trust people too readily especially if they swear to help or spare us on their most solemn oaths .

If White people hated you so much, you wouldn't have been allowed into the UK in the first place, my sad delusional friend. If I'm not mistaken, it was a British doctor (Cole?) that tended to Guru Gobind Singh Ji' Maharaj's wound. Our Guru's never taught us to indulge in hate and adopting an 'us vs them' mentality either. Your hate and constant indulgence in 'us vs them' has rendered a huge blind spot on you. That is why you're unable to differentiate a friend from foe and fathom forming alliances.

Could it be that it was never racism but perhaps, you are just NOT a very likable person? Judging purely on your posts in this forum, you come off as an extremely opinionated, angry and hateful person. I'm not saying that you are but your posts make it appear that way. You're not exactly someone whom I would recommend for a position that entails PR. LOL!

surrender ? you are having a laugh ... I am losing my excuses , getting ready by strengthening my sikhi through bani, trying to memorise as much bani as I can, losing weight and getting fit and starting martial arts training , I am preparing to look after my family. This is history repeating itself , it is a law of nature: if you ignore the lessons each cycle becomes larger and more destructive because we do not take on the points that needed to change .

What white people came to our defence so far in our history anywhere on this planet ? I was born in London but I am not a fool I am still a foreigner to those who consider themselves British Whites. I have been the Meat in the racist sandwich being attacked by both white and blacks growing up so I don't think that only one race can be racist: all can ...The establishment serve THEIR needs and wants, not the peoples' they are quite prepared to reduce everyone's legal rights to line their own pockets it is just how the cookie crumbles; in the West it is the whites who are mainly in that group of power wielders, and in India the Hindus and their cronies .

oh hello again , so just changing your name doesn't stop your nonsense ....

So you one person like She Ra in the comic books are going to take on the Muslims? LOL!

No, white people are not going to come to your defense as they do not owe you anything. However would it not be prudent join forces with Non Muslims like the Whites? Oh I forgot, they're going to throw us all into ovens. LOL!

You are seriously very delusional.

Come on man. PLENTY of monay are clueless as hell too, and jump wholeheartedly onto the whole liberal, western mindset. And I'm saying that as a mona myself.

I've mixed with both sides and I can tell you based on my experiences, the orthodox Sikhs, especially those from India are very insular and have an extremely myopic view of the world. Mone's generally have a broader view. Yes, sometimes too broad until crossing the border into liberal cuckoo land. But majority of them have a more balanced view of the world.

no being realistic about what is in the near future means you start thinking about strengthening your weaknesses and think about how you will handle that challenge ...a lot people I know are just sleepwalking thinking that somehow the UK govt, european country they live in 's Govt or US/Canadian govt will somehow protect and save them ... I prefer to follow to follow Guru ji's advice and tend to matters myself .

That military you are talking about is most likely going to be used against the citizens to remove dissenters and wrong coloured peoples I can see the law makers gearing up that way. There many secret meetings and agreements being made between the western countries to hand public freedoms and rights to the corporations and their owners ...TTIP TTP and the like .

How will you tend to matters yourself? Are you going to be an army of one fighting the Muslims? Or garner the low number of Sikhs to fight Muslims? Or are you going to wear a hijab and then tell us all that it's no different from a dupatta? I already see it coming. LOL! The irony is that in other threads you fight tooth and nail those who want to secure their borders. But here you are already surrendering to the barbarians.

You still think white people are out to get you. If they hated you so much, you would never been allowed to set foot in the UK in the first place. How can one who calls themselves a Sikh be so delusional and lost? Probably the side effects of weed.

You are living proof that anyone who takes a bath in Ganga ji or elsewhere can still come out as delusional since they have no prembhakti. & you are surprised that this is coming from me? That does not matter since we are talking about this, and not about my personality.

Like seriously, are you okay? What kind of a person who is a so called follower of my Dasmesh Pita ji would try to SABOTAGE the image of his beloved GURMUKH santans? You are clearly a nastik, just trying to spread trouble here if you really believe in what you just wrote.

Go away Hindu. Your silly stupid childish games won't work. Most Sikhs today are born outside India thus having little to no influence from Hinduism. They laugh at fools like you.

Go take a couple of laps in the Ganga. Maybe even scuba dive. Not sure if there are chorals to see. More then like floating carcass and a whole load of <banned word filter activated>. LOL! Go drink a gallon of cow urine. Keep your long, unwashed and matted and don't bathe for 10 years. LOL!

The irony of it all is that you're probably a low caste Hindu diligently doing the bidding of your high caste masters.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Way to generalize. What use is a so called mona who does not even listen To Sri Guru Sahib ji's hukam, yet calls themselves a real shishya/student aka a SIKH?

This coming from someone who believes taking laps in the Ganga can remove your sins. You are either a cunning Hindu playing games at a Sikh forum or someone who is truly lost.

It seems that the Jatts social dominance is a big problem for others. Perhaps Sikhs of Jatt background show more chardi-kala ness and others cannot stand it.

I think that all Jatts of Sikhi should leave enmass and should let the Khatris,Ramgharias, Sainis,Kambohs, Lobanas, Batras, Mazhabi fight amongst themselves.

Then it would be interesting if the caste issue is a Jatt problem or a wider problem.

I would suspect the latter.

I actually believe that is actually the case here. IMHO Jatts do show more 'chardi-kala ness'. They are the most generous and honest ones. They have unity the others don't have. They're able to come together when the need arises. What we are witnessing here is envy and people vying for power. This is what is driving them nuts.

Jatts are also the most anti Hindu among all Sikhs. If a Sikh starts talking about similarities between Hinduism and Sikhism, 99.9% it's a non Jatt. If not for the Jatts, there would be a good chance we would end up being be another Hindu sect. Jatts truly embraced our Gurus teachings wholeheartedly.

The sikh nation is the khalsa and they are under Guru ji's loving hand of protection ...it's the lukewarm and the misled 'sehajdhari' who are in danger because they have no clue of their people's history . My own view is if every female and male learned sikh itihaas in full no one would ever stray and get picked up by the missionaries or dawah folks- they would long to be worthy of becoming khalsa...information is power.

Our ancestors went through mughal rule ...soon we will have to choose between sikhi and living under an atheist/aggressive secular agenda or maybe later on muslim politics ...

Actually it's the Orthodox Sikhs (pugg/dardhi/amrit or no amrit) that are the most ignorant and in danger of being used as a tool. The mone's are the smartest and the most successful. If not for the mone's, more then like 3 quarters of today's Gurdwaras would not exist.

The orthodox Sikhs only mix among their own kind unlike mone's so they have an extremely insular and myopic view of the world. It comes as no surprise that they are given the monicker 'Low IQ Pendu' and how fitting it is. OTOH mone's have a broader view of the world.

Looks like you have already readied yourself to live under Muslim rule. How sad. This coming from a cowardly Sikh living in a Western nation that has one of the best militaries in the world. If you can't tell the difference between living among atheists and Muslims, you are truly lost and hopeless. I think you know which group you belong with.

You just proved my point.

Interesting discussion going on in the youtube video below between two far right wing Christian white nationalists.

We as a nation are in a worse situation than white's in europe because our people are liberal and feminised to be walked all over and are not allowed to talk about it without getting jumped on by feminists and feminised men. At least the whites are free to able to discuss this and not be ashamed of it because they have foresight and can see the storm coming ahead with radical islam and its big demographic populations.

I don't believe it's feminism. It's liberalism. In a vacum of values, we embrace anything that comes along. These people have abandoned their religion in the name of progress but they have only regressed. And they are so lost.

WJKK WJKF

I did read your post accurately, but for the benefit of doubt il read it once again for you as you suggested.

I'd suggest you read what gurbani has to say about nimrata and how sikhs should address one another. Mithi jabaan will get you along way brother.

I also think you should read my previous post one more time and maybe consider stop calling yourself a sikh and start calling your self just a jatt and a worshiper of your caste and clan leader. Be an embassodor in what you believe in, not in something half heartedly because to be a sikh, you first have to give your head. I don't think you fit the bill because you can't even give your ancestry up.

Jatt claim Dhan Dhan Shaheed Baba Deep Singh ji as a jatt and not Khalsa. When will we hear the jatt claiming Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindrawale ji as a jatt and not Khalsa?

You are not a Sant/Baba so give your huge ego a rest. You have no authority to decide who is a Sikh and who isn't. Instead of talking to me about Gurbani you should check your own ego and arrogance as it is in the gutter.

As for Jatts claiming a historical figure as a Jatt and not Khalsa, that is not my concern. There is no way you can police everybody's behavior. It is simply not possible. I have met Sikhs who say Jatts are stupid in my face. That's life. If you have a problem with Jatt behavior, go open your own Gurdwara or visit one that is more to your liking. It is not possible to force everyone to display good behavior. And by attacking them openly, you are only inflaming the situation and making it worse.

Jatts themselves are not a uniform group. There was a time Malwais and Majhe Jatts could not get along, so they opened their own Gurdwaras. Even today, not everybody is 100% agreement in how a Gurdwara is run. If in countries like Australia and NZ, the Asian Sikhs would have their own Gurdwara and the those from India would their own. The Asians don't like to sit on the floor for langar so they have their own Gurdwaras.

There is always going to be divisions among people.