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beloved sister were the growers of grains all amritdhari too  ? How about the porters, the hired cooks in most guruhars .....  where do we draw the line ?

Understand that these overly strict maryadas were created by mere mortals  who were no more free from their egos than you and I are. 

Other than making us feel Holier than thou what purpose does this venomous talk serve ? 

Wealthy people who never care to help the needy are like a big tree which has a lot of fame but in reality no shade and inedible fruits.

ਸਿੰਮਲ ਰà©à¨à© ਸਰਾà¨à¨°à¨¾ à¨à¨¤à¨¿ ਦà©à¨°à¨ à¨à¨¤à¨¿ ਮà©à¨à© ॥ सिमल रà¥à¤à¥ सराà¤à¤°à¤¾ à¤à¤¤à¤¿ दà¥à¤°à¤ à¤à¤¤à¤¿ मà¥à¤à¥ ॥ Simmal rukẠsarÄâ«irÄ aṯ á¸Ä«ragẠaṯ mucáº. The simmal tree is straight as an arrow; it is very tall, and very thick.
à¨à¨ à¨à¨¿ à¨à¨µà¨¹à¨¿ à¨à¨¸ à¨à¨°à¨¿ à¨à¨¾à¨¹à¨¿ ਨਿਰਾਸ੠à¨à¨¿à¨¤à© ॥ à¤à¤ à¤à¤¿ à¤à¤µà¤¹à¤¿ à¤à¤¸ à¤à¤°à¤¿ à¤à¤¾à¤¹à¤¿ निरासॠà¤à¤¿à¤¤à¥ ॥ Oâ«e jÄ Ävahi Äs kar jÄhi nirÄse kiṯ. But those birds which visit it hopefully, depart disappointed.
ਫਲ ਫਿà¨à© ਫà©à¨² ਬà¨à¨¬à¨à© à¨à©°à¨®à¨¿ ਨ à¨à¨µà¨¹à¨¿ ਪਤ ॥ फल फिà¤à¥ फà¥à¤² बà¤à¤¬à¤à¥ à¤à¤®à¤¿ न à¤à¤µà¤¹à¤¿ पत ॥ Fal fike ful bakbake kamm na Ävahi paṯ. Its fruits are tasteless, its flowers are nauseating, and its leaves are useless.
ਮਿਠਤ੠ਨà©à¨µà© ਨਾਨà¨à¨¾ à¨à©à¨£ à¨à©°à¨à¨¿à¨à¨à¨ ਤਤ੠॥ मिठतॠनà¥à¤µà¥ नानà¤à¤¾ à¤à¥à¤£ à¤à¤à¤à¤¿à¤à¤à¤ ततॠ॥ Miṯáºaṯ nÄ«vÄ« nÄnkÄ guá¹ cáºangâ«Äâ«Ä«â«Ä ṯaṯ. Sweetness and humility, O Nanak, are the essence of virtue and goodness.

7 hours ago, jassa said:

Chatanga I think you recognize me well. In past I have ripped/abused all the Dasam Granth Sahib haters and missionaries all my past posts are here. As one of the posters mentioned I am here since 2006 all my past posts would be in favour of what you of GPS or Akalifauj is writing today. They are just like my mirror image. I would have abused more gave negative feedback if someone has exactly posted what I have posted in 2006 - 07.

I was 20 years old just had santheya of Prachin panth parkash suraj parkash nanak parkash etc. For me only Budhadal was greatest rest all were RSS agents.

But today I am 31 years old and in last 5 years I stopped posting here. I was learning Guru Granth Sahibs bani and today I just cant follow this bhed chall of abusing. Today I see Sikh kaum far greater then budhadal or nihang singhs.

90% of individuals have no knowledge about Dasam Granth but the chose either to love it or hate it just based on their circle and certain articles and they are fighting over it.

To be short today my take on Dhunda has great knowledge of Guru Granth Sahib we have to agree with it. He speaks about social evils derawad. In one of the video he talks about show me any gurudwara dera sant baba which does ardas for baby girl. It hit me in my brain.

So he has certain qualities and he is questioning certain things. Why should we not acknowledge good qualities of every individual we have in panth. Will not it bring together the panth which is above all. 

Now in the above video posted he questioned Hemkunth Sahib with a quote from Guru Granth Sahib that which has a word to word meaning ke Paharan te sidh beth ke apna janam gawa rahe hai te guru Gobind Singh kiddan pahar te beth ke bhagti kar sakde hai. What would be its better reply to answer him based on Guru Granth sahib bani or shut him up and abuse him ?

Guru Nanak Sahibs full bani is based on geyan charcha. Mecca gaye sidha koll gaye every where there were question answers. But today people get offend when asked anything which questions there imagination. Missionaries are RSS agents if you question this you will become RSS agent as well for many here.

 

This is one of the most profound post I have read on this forum , kudos to veer Jassa for taking the high road of none else but Guru Granth Sahib itself. 

Everyone , das di hath hor ke benti - before taking sides and allowing yourself to be filled with such venomous hate (very unspiritual act btw , no matter what opinion the other side holds) read SGGS cover to cover (making sure you understand both shabdarth and bhavartha) , without any presumptions and then read Dasam Granth cover to cover and now you are in a position to form an opinion. 

IF you have any problems understanding a certain part of Guru Granth Sahib daas is here to help. 

"Aklee par ke bujhiye Akli Keejay daan "

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Bro jacfsingh singhs of this jatha have been practising gurmat sangeet from 2 am to late morning for many years - they have taught many new students as well.

(by the way this shabad is very apt for this thread- if only it can dawn upon you and other hateful hearts)

Moreover they have been doing kirtan without making it into a profession (unlike our ragis , they put in so much hard work out of sheer love), and to make things more hard they didn't know any punjabi till the age of 18

Besides spreading venom on internet , what is your 'contribution' to sikhi, how many hours of sleep have you chosen to let go for your guru, have you taken the time to study guru granth sahib in depth

I am not saying the above in a hateful , ego fight kind of a way , coz that would belittle my own spiritual progress, I want you to wake up and become nirvair to the marrow of your bones.

How this jatha started

sabko meet ham apna keena hum sabna ke saajan ||

I am yet to hear more a more beautiful rendition of guru's bani - and they are these kirtanis are offspring of yogi sikhs ,

whole point of our beautiful spiritual path called Sikhi is to look beyond mind created petty hate (on this forum I have seen venom against radha swamis/missionaries/3ho etc)

Remember how Guru Amardas treated Datu when he kicked guru sahib ? Or how Guru Tegh Bahadur reacted to DhirMal's followers making an attempt on his life ?

Also when a person does something evil he is still doing it in hukam - Lekhai bolan bolna , lekhai khana khau

If you agree, reply to this thread with Guru's fateh avowing that you will make a conscious effort to overcome ego fueled us vs them hate and spite .

Had these goons attacked someone like dhunda or panthpreet singh, people here on ss will be cheering and doing jakare ?

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As per this link by veer Singh559 , people who speak against dasam deserve to to be shot dead ? Guru sahib will be very happy with such talibanised 'sikhs' ?

Had these goons attacked someone like dhunda or panthpreet singh, people here will be cheering and doing jakare ?

Remember Aurangzeb ? He persecuted people for their beliefs and remember Guru Tegh bahadur - who stood up for their rights even though his own views were materially different from the hindus .

In Gurmat voilence is permitted only to prevent further voilence , e.g taking out indra or Beanta was ok .

So by this token , people who speak against dasam need to to be shot dead ? Guru sahib will be very happy with such 'sikhs' ? What's the difference between us and taliban ?

Had these goons attacked someone like dhunda or panthpreet singh, people here will be cheering and doing jakare ?

Remember Aurangzeb ? He persecuted people for their beliefs and remember Guru Tegh bahadur - who stood up for their rights even though his own views were materially different from the hindus .

In Gurmat voilence is permitted only to prevent further voilence , e.g taking out indra or Beanta.

Instead of attacking unarmed singhs (who happen to differ from you ) why don't these 'brave' guys ever make an attempt on lives of KP gill / Tytler/ Sumedh Saini

IF we get too entangled in this fake world we will depart with tears of remorse in our eyes (like the fish that does not understand the net and separates from ocean in deep sorrow) when the illusion of this world will vanish , so instead of focusing on material comforts and family, make naam meditation your goal.

ਮਛੁਲੀ ਵਿਛੁੰਨੀ ਨੈਣ ਰੁੰਨੀ ਜਾਲੁ ਬਧਿਕਿ ਪਾਇਆ ॥

मछुली विछुंनी नैण रुंनी जालु बधिकि पाइआ ॥ Macẖẖulī vicẖẖunnī naiṇ runnī jāl baḏẖik pā▫i▫ā. The fish leaves the water with tearful eyes, when the fisherman casts his net.

ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ਮਾਇਆ ਮੋਹੁ ਮੀਠਾ ਅੰਤਿ ਭਰਮੁ ਚੁਕਾਇਆ

॥ संसारु माइआ मोहु मीठा अंति भरमु चुकाइआ ॥ Sansār mā▫i▫ā moh mīṯẖā anṯ bẖaram cẖukā▫i▫ā. The love of Maya is sweet to the world, but in the end, this delusion is dispelled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgsOaQfZ4Ss

Very beautiful rendition in kalyan

Despite his clarificaiton, this guy Nishant sharma has done his part to widen the rift between hindus and sikhs and they are especially very opposed to any efforts at sikh self determination , and also want to protect human right viloators ( pp officers)

The reason he has put forth this video is not coz he is really disturbed at the beating of the sikh youth (maybe he even admires it clandestinely ) - but coz hes scared shitless that singhs will retaliate.

Having said that we as guru's sikhs must rise avove hate and rather than hating back groups like rss/bajrang dal should work towards getting more people into the sikh fold -particularly the downtrodden . This is possible only when our jeevan is of the highest order and we have the spiritual glow (noor) on our faces. Remember revolution starts with one person.

This is a disturbing video , but reinforces the fact that we all must prepare our bodies and minds for physical combat and be ever ready (tyar bar tyar)

http://www.punjabspectrum.co/news/nishant-sharma-attacks-sikh-youth/

It saddens me to see on this forum and in general among sikhs of the day , degree of spite towards anyone who has different views.

Is it possible for a spiritual person to be hateful ? Aren't we engaging in bedbi by disregarding guru's mahavak - " Na ko bairi nahi begana....."

Agreed the world is not perfect , but our attitude towards correcting it should be driven with passion and zeal , but without animosity and bitterness - after all its all his bhana

e.g I was very hateful towards people like KP gill and Brar but over time I have understood that they were just parts in a play ...having said that it does not mean I will give up pursuit of justice , that should be done so such incidents are not repeated ,but the overloaded emotions are gone ever since I fully internalized "Hukmai andar sab ko bahar hukam na koi "

I am very aware of that shabad veer ji , but if we do not eat even plants - how will we survive - "jeeya ka ahaar jee " - also when in doubt , follow the principle of least harm -

Also when you eat an apple the apple tree does not die - the fruit is the reproductive part of the tree which it does want to be consumed so the seeds can travel a bit

On another note people who claim holier than thou by being vegeterians need to check up on how cruel the dairy industry is and should go full vegan to ensure cows are not mistreated (not to mention supporting the horrendous practice of veal)/.

Well I take gurbani over us mortal's opinions (myself included) -

Khoob khana Khichri Jeh Mein Amrit Loon ||

Heiyre roti karne gala katave kaun ||

Great is the simple food of rice and lentils, for who would like to die to end up someone else's food .

This line clearly indicates that eating plants is fine , whereas eating animals - "gal vad hatya kamae" , also animals feel both fear and pain - what kind of spiritual person will be cold to their cries ?

I am a vegan so the remark is one of asinine ones that I typically here from Meat eaters in support of their cruel practices !

Plants do not have a nervous system and we have to follow the principle of minimum harm !

BTW next time someone tells you that plants have feelings too - retort with

"Then take your banana for a walk instead of your dog " :)

but plants have feelings too !!!

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With objectives - ending scourges such as child labor, dowry, casteism , intoxicants, flashy marriages and instilling values of meditation, compassion, physical fitness and above all a thorough understanding of guru's word.

What kind of spiritual people are infatuated with hygiene :)