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Grooming term is used to cover up shame by families? What the f##k wud u kno, u dumb yank. So plz explain how 12yr olds targeted by 20-30+yr old men has anyfink to do revelations of dating? Perhaps u cud tell us how muslims r so overwhelming represented in paedo circles, yet they make up a very low % of uk population?

P!ss off u pr!ck, muslim rape/paedo gangs have sikhs in them? Listen gandu, ur not foolin any1, get off this site, every1 knows ur now usin ur 100th diffrnt username now, pretending to be a sikh. Either become a sikh, since ur so obsessed with us, or marr jaakeh, gandha sullahh.

This is the first account I ever made on this site. Like i said, there ARE undoubted cases of real grooming going on. But families will say "Sadi kudi naal grooming hoi si" or girls will say "Nahin mummy o mainu blackmail Karda si"

I know people who have seen that happen, so you can't just sit and believe every single sob story. It takes two to tango. Grooming is disgusting, but your paranoia is distracting you from other problems.

And this is why some members of this forum have called you a "sullah".

Whats muslim mentality like then? Grooming girls is fine, underage sex with girls is fine, throwing gays off mountains and buildins is fine, calling non-muslims derogetory term "kafir "kuffar" is fine, making women cover up head to toe in a burka tent is fine, muslim can marry non-muslim women but women cant that is fine too, men can have 4 wives but muslim women cant that is fine also, etc,etc.........

So can anyone not criticize muslim mentality without being called an islamophobe? .

Dude, just because a few people act certain ways doesn't mean you can be racist against the entire group. Serial killers are overwhelmingly white, should people be afraid of all whites?

With case of grooming, there are definite cases where it's a real problem. But overall the "grooming" term is used by many families to avoid shame. Or by a Sikh girl when she gets caught with a paki.

The pedo sex gangs are from the poorest illiterate pendu backgrounds and have Hindus and Sikhs in them too. They are all criminals who don't belong to any religion.

And doesnt everyone believe that their own religion is correct and others are incorrect? Or are you the kind of sikh who says the <banned word filter activated> "all religions are correct" thing?

Every religion is gonna view itself as superior. Christians call everyone else heathen and infidel too. Jews call non Jews Goyim. Muslims call non muslims kafirs. Some Sikhs on this forum don't view other sikh groups as Sikh.

Dude forget your hippy love conquers all attitude especially when you dealing with islamo-fascists! Either you tackle the problem head on or you stand aside and let real Sikhs take over and sort it out.

If we left Lilly liberal lefty hipster Sikhs in charge of the affairs of the panth then we would see devious muslim guys grooming and sexually exploiting Sikh and other non-muslim girls as part and parcel of their religion and society. And in your eyes to object to it would be "islamophobic".

So yes lets end the debate on your part because you do not have love for Sikhs at all, and wont do anything raise awareness for your Sikh sisters being lured into Islam by deception... you carry on with your selfish sell out life. And next time avoid topics that expose anti-Sikh individuals because most probably you will stand with the hater of Sikhs than your 'own' community.

Lmao, anyone on this site who criticizes a single thing about Sikh mentality gets called a "sullah"

Are you a moslem m0ron then? cos you sure sound like one.

Islamophobic means fear of Islam no I don't fear Islam I just have no time or tolerance for Islam because islam is an ideology that says hate the non-muslim and hate the non-muslim way of life and their religions because Allah in the Quran and Hadith's despises any other religion/ideology apart from Islam.

So why should any non-muslim tolerate a fascist totalitarian backward 7th century arab supremacist so called faith like that?

Let me ask you.... are you naziphobic? Are you fascistphobic? Are you totalitarianphobic? Because that is what you just asked me.

By payback do you mean grooming Muslim girls?

I think a little sikhification parchar to muslimah's retaliation is in order ;)

The account now says "Mandeep Kaur" age 17. People actually believe it's genuine

Dude why you posting this? Any relevance to Sikhs?

"Muslim bashing". Nothing related to Sikhs

Sikhs aren't allowed to drink alcohol, are you sure this isn't a Hindu Punjabi or Muslim Punjabi issue?

You should listen to Bhangra music. Sikhs aren't allowed to drink alcohol but most people think they are. In fact it is a huge stereotype now, that all Sikhs do is Bhangra and drink. Patiala Peg and all that bs.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3278018/How-young-Saudis-drink-despite-country-s-strong-laws-tipple-choice-99-cent-proof-alcohol.html

The real Arabian nights: Extraordinary picture shows drunk, burka-clad woman passed out in a Saudi street as ex-pats lift lid on secret debauchery

• Police usually turn a blind eye to parties behind Western compound walls
• But it is claimed they also ignore the wild parties thrown by Saudis
• Ex-pats reveal Saudis brew super-strength alcohol made from potatoes
• Rising numbers are now also taking Captagon - the drug favoured by ISIS

By Flora Drury For Mailonline

Published: 17:05, 18 October 2015 | Updated: 18:49, 18 October 2015

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It is not a picture one expects to see coming out of Saudi Arabia: a burka-clad woman, lying down drunk in the streets of the capital.

But ex-pats have revealed how this is not a surprising sight, as young Saudis do drink and take drugs at debauched gatherings - despite their countries strict laws.

Westerners - who themselves admit to wild parties on compounds in the desert state - have lifted the lid on the excesses of their Saudi neighbours, including a growing taste for a drug used by ISIS fighters before they go into battle.

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Wild parties: The western compounds have always been known for their parties, but Saudis also engage in drinking and drug taking, according to ex-pats. The claims are backed up by this picture, apparently of a woman in a burqa passed out on the streets of Ridyah, despite the country's strict laws

Dry: Technically, selling alcohol is banned in Riyadh, and all Saudi cities, but ex-pats say it is freely available

Falling foul of the law: British grandfather Karl Andree has been jailed for the last 12 months, after he was found with alcohol in his car. He now faces the prospect of 350 lashes for a couple of bottles of wine

Their claims came as the picture of the 'drunk' woman emerged, apparently collapsed after a gathering held in the capital Riyadh - one of many held in the strictly Muslim country, right beneath the nose of the strict authorities.

It throws into question exactly why British grandfather Karl Andree has been sentenced to 350 lashes for having a few bottles of homemade wine in his car when the authorities are known to turn a blind eye to the excesses of its residents - for a price.

In theory, alcohol is banned. At worst, a person caught with alcohol can be put to death. Most of the time, however, they are sentenced to lashes and time behind bar, like Mr Andree.

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However, that doesn't stop people from brewing, buying and consuming alcohol in vast consequences - especially within the walled compounds where westerners live.

'The parties are pretty crazy even by western standards,' one ex-pat told the Sunday Mirror.

Tony, another ex-pat, told the BBC that while the compounds are like 'holiday camps' - but the Saudis were just as likely to be found with a drink in their hand.

'There is quite a drinking culture with the Saudis themselves,' he said.

'Most of the guys that I socialise with have stocks of Jack Daniels and other booze, as well as buying stuff that some of the expats brew.'

Harsh: Punishment for those caught with alcohol can be death, but is more usually prison and flogging

Risk: Despite this, young Saudis are known to make their own alcohol, some at a shocking 99 per cent prooof

They also are known to make their own 99 per cent proof moonshine, made from potatoes, the Mirror's source revealed.

The partying culture is nothing new. Five years ago, Wikileaks revealed how a Saudi prince threw a party for 150 20 and 30-somethings, where booze was flowing freely and prostitutes mingled with the super-rich.

Attendees were protected from the authorities thanks to their host's royal status, according to an American diplomat, the Guardian reported.

The dispatch also revealed a bottle of Smirnoff vodka could fetch as much as 1,500 riyals (£250), while the local version will cost just 100 riyals (£16).

But it doesn't stop at drink: the Mirror's source also revealed how rich young Saudis have got a taste for the Syrian-made drug Captagon - a drug used by ISIS fighters.

It has previously been reported that the drug is used to keep the fighters on both sides of the bloody conflict alert, allowing them to fight for longer.

However, the source claimed: 'Rich young Saudi men love it and it has led to a deadly craze known as Drifting where they speed expensive sports cars up to 100mph and then slam on the hand brake for fun.'

Read more:

• 'Devout' Saudis partying on booze, drugs and hookers while Briton faces flogging which could kill him - Mirror Online
• WikiLeaks cables: Saudi princes throw parties boasting drink, drugs and sex | World news | The Guardian
• Saudi Arabia drinking: The risks expats take for a tipple - BBC News

All of this is well known. The Saudi royal family is among the worst group of people on the planet. Saud family was so scared after 2011, that their arms purchases quadrupled. In 2014 Saudi Arabia was the biggest importer of weapons in the world. They are using them to crush uprisings in Arabia and Yemen.

This is why most people on the forum think your a muslim.

The propaganda that muslims peddle out is that arabs used to bury their daughters yet where is your proof? Any non-baised non-islamic sources?

Even if that was the case and that is what they used to do to show how bad women were treated before islam and what rights they had then explain to me how khadijah prophet muhammads first wife was able to be a rich business woman and have muhammad work for her before he started to get the strange visions to start new abrahmic cult of islam?

Also explain to me how comes women were allowed to be musicians, goddesses, poets and warriors in pre-islamic pagan hindu arab societies but after islam came around all those freedoms and female orientated rights were slashed under punishment of death? How did islam liberate women from oppression? more like it put women under more oppression from being able to truly think and express themselves.

This is a HUGE myth that women in Hindu India were more liberated than they are now. I've studied Indian history. Google "Ashvamedha" and you'll understand. It was a ritual that after having conquered a kingdom, the Hindu King would have one of his wives (they used to have loads of wives) basically have sex with the horse.

It's not as simple as that:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1324039/Like-Lauren-Booth-ARE-modern-British-career-women-converting-Islam.html

People often get culture and religion mixed up. Arabs in the old days before Islam used to bury their daughters alive. And in the Indian subcontinent, we all used to be Hindus who would burn their widows.

Arab and Indian cultures to this day are still backwards and patriarchial.

Like how Sikhism is supposed to be egalitarian but you always see a drunk "Jatt" father beating his wife, which only encourages the daughter to rebel. The drinking and wife beating is "Punjabi culture" not anything to do with religion.

i call BS u knw full well that sikhs nvr gender discriminate. Even if they do, not as bad as paks no way in a million years.

What about typical Uk paki mirpuri who loves to get skinfade haircut, to smoke weed and drink, deal drugs, sleep with little girls and drive around in rented cars, they are allowed but their females are not. Dont come on here with ur crap PP02

Dude, you yourself make posts about Sikh girls bragging about messaging pakis on facebook and greeting Abduls.

Yet you think I'm a troll. This is the first account I have made (and the last one I will ever make) on this site.

I know many "muslims" in the UK are messed up as well. I was just pointing out that you have to look at your own problems first.

Reason y there r more panjabi muslims than sikhs is coz e.panjab is under foreign and anti sikh occupation, and we have had 2 genocides in 70yrs. Pak panjab is for muslims, ruled by muslims and discriminates against non mulsims, end of!

That still doesn't change the fact that Islam was in Punjab centuries before Sikhism. Especially in areas like Multan. Although if you count the whole Punjab (plus Delhi area), Sikhs used to be a significantly larger proportion of the population. They were however, never the majority. Even after some Muslims became followers of the Gurus, Sikhs didn't become majority. I want to know why the gurus didn't place an emphasis on conversion? Or if they did but it didn't succeed as they wanted it to.

Sikhs can only guide whole of humanity and get their homeland if they work for it. There is no chosen people, no one God treats more special than another. There are rules to this universe that apply to all. So like everyone else Sikhs must work for any success. That means firstly being Sikhs following sikhi no matter how hard and secondly we have to work to get our homeland such as using politics etc.

We can be monotheistic and worship the gurus the same way Christians can believe in Jesus and God,the same way the

Catholics can believe in holy triniy and God same way islam can believe in Satan n God. Basically compared to these believes we are monotheistic. We Believe Everything is God and also that he has no one like Satan opposing him. On the other hand we can believe that there is 1, and he is in charge but he is not the only 1. There are others below him like the devtas n he can also manifest in many forms such as the gurus. So if u dont believe in sargun nirgun, do u believe god lives away from this world. Maybe up above in some castle? He decides not to intervene at all, no matter the attrocities or requests n begging n praying?

The famine has to be due to karma but the holocaust could have been caused because we have free will. So hitler will be punished for it. Or it could be karma. How would we know what they did. There could be many explanations. Maybe they were the army of ghenghis khan or other invaders that looted n killed n pillaged ppl for greed. Famine could be same thing, slaveowners who starved the slaves or peasants while making them grow n collect food for themselves. Who knows? Who cares? Justice has been served or of this is a atrocity comitted by free will not caused by karma then justice will be served. But who r we to judge ppl n leave them to their fates? We ourselves we dont know wat we could have done so we are in no position to condemn others. Also if u treat others good no matter who they are or who they were, ur karma will become good. Also we can never be sure if somethings happening due to karma or freewill.

Our souls and the universe had a beginning. Maybe even multiple beginnings n endings. When our soul was separated from the Primal Soul ie God, our souls came into existance. When God chose to manifest the universe with the big bang, it began. N it will end the same way, by merging back. Only the immortal one is Eternal. (Sat Sri Akal

As to the gurus sons.The gurus didnt give out enlightenment for free. All have to work for it as per the law of the universe. Nothing is free. So the sons had to work for it, but they probably took it for granted.Why woud the gurus play favortism n make their sons automatically elgible for liberation. No all have to gain it by personal effort.

Muslims don't worship Satan. Muslims believe Satan is a creation of God and All good and bad comes from God as a test for human beings.

She raised many interesting points. Many Sikhs themselves don't even know about the deviances of the sons of the gurus.

yeh well dont worry we can take paki girls away from these men. lets face it, paki girls arent reli happy at home... Also they aint happy men can go out and they cant.

Some Sikh girls would say the same about The typical clean shaved "Jatt" who loves drinking and Bhangra. They would argue why they aren't allowed to go out with non Sikhs.

The first thing you want to do is forget everything you've learned in this respect. These western courses are just vehicles for pushing an orientalist agenda.

Jats have been patronised (in both senses of the word) because so many gave blind loyalty to the British. In return goray concocted a whole new identity for jats based on the most tenuous of evidence but which pandered to their ego - to keep them loyal and controllable. It worked a treat.

And frankly, I'm not remotely impressed by American qualifications (or most others), I've been university a few times now and I've worked as a teacher, so I know the ins and outs of the academic world. Personally, rather than qualifications I like to see if anyone claiming intelligence can firstly see through the propaganda of formally and widely accepted historical 'truths'. If they are unable to see through this, then their education is a failure in my eyes.

Of course I know all that. I was just saying that Jatts and Rajputs do both originate from Central Asia.

Someone seems like a One Piece fan.

But on topic yeah try Basics of Sikhi. Build from there.

I like Death Note, Code Geass, Naruto, and others too. But OP is the best

All meat is allowed, in sikhism if its fit for human consumption its allowed because gurbani argues that even eating plants is a sin because you are taking life away. And Sikhi believes plants have souls too so all these veggies are basically killing also to sustain themselves. Recent studies have also confirmed that plants do have a sense of pain when they are cut even if they don't have a central nervous system.

Basics of Sikhi and this forum's Jagsaw Singh disagree with you.

Palm on face moment

Since when Sikhi wasnt about converting people? Sikhi isn't a birth cult where you can only be born into it, its not an exclusive club for punjabi castist nationalists. Sikhi is way of life and an ideology that needs converts needs adherents to survive and propsper.

It's funny how people say "Sikhism is about converts or brownie points" yet they then complain that there are 80-90 million punjabis who are Muslim and only 25-27 million who are Sikh.

Yes Meat but not 'beef' in particular. I think you're confusing Sikhs with Hindus.

I've seen many Sikhs online proudly claim to have never eaten meat. So is all meat prohibited or only certain Kinds?

What's an "Orthodox" Sikh to you? The official definition of Orthodox is "of, relating to, or conforming to beliefs, attitudes, or modes of conduct that are generally approved." (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/orthodox)

Which group would you say follows the teachings of Sikhism most closely? So far I think it is Basics of Sikhi but some people on here seem to disagree with them as well

Wats wrong in eating beef? We aint bloody gangu's! Also khalistani right wing?

I don't know much, but doesn't basics of Sikhi say its prohibited for Sikhs to eat meat?

Notice also, this puppy is genuinely loved up with his sulli. Usually when it is the other way round, Abdul sees the apnee as some plaything. Or passes her around to his mates/family..

Or converts her to attack our community.

When a <banned word filter activated> tells his family he's pulled a Sikh bird, the blokes probably snigger and give it some 'go on son!'.

Apnay on the other hand.....well you can read

Us Sikh men are some soft, cuddly mofos when it comes to outsiders (but inbetween ourselves we are pukkhay haram-zaday). lol

I've noticed in interfaith marriages, the guy's family accepts it more easily than the girl's because it's considered a huge black mark upon the "honor" of the girl's family. It's sad that people try to use females from other communities to show how "masculine" they are or how their own community is "superior" to the other.

If were all honest most will admit that Jatti's have the biggest rep for being the easiest punjabi club going Indian slags going after hindu punjabi / guji girls but also the religious Jatti's have a rep for being the most strongest in the Sikh faith

You either get extreme liberal atheist jattis who pretend to be Sikhs yet get drunk most days, eating beef, smoking, sleeping around with non-sikhs and probably got more STD's than braincells. Or you get the right wing pro-khalistan / Sikh nationalist Jatti's who are fiercely proud of being Sikh and would make a good wife for any Sikh lad looking to start a family. Depends on the type of upbringing the girl has had and her level of IQ. The other caste girls tend to be middle of the road moderates.

Exactly. At the end of the day the biggest influence is the family and the environment around them.

I grew up around some badass pakis. They are ashamed of being jatt, they wont admit to it - they'd rather say they were Rajput.

I've studied Indian history at graduate level here in USA. Rajputs originate from Central Asia. This is also the origin of Jats. Historically Jatts were never great followers of Brahmins so they were left as outcasts into the Vaishya and shudra groups. This is because Jatts even before Islam and Sikhism, rejected leadership of Brahmin priests.

Also the word Jatt is older than the word Rajput. Jatts are a nation not just "farmers". Some scholars refer to Jatts as "degraded Rajputs" because the Brahmins didn't like them. Whatever the case, it is true that some Jatt clans are actually "equivalent" to Rajputs.