AmandeepSinghBansel

2 hours ago, ipledgeblue said:

As Naamdharis still perform it, maybe find out where they got this maryada from. I know they read japji sahib, could be some other nitnem banis as well. I seen it on YouTube somewhere. I know Naamdharis went to Hazoor Sahib to get maryada, maybe this is a start?

 

There are good arguments about havan in this thread, I mean arguments against. But I am keeping an open mind.

Yes, but this is not a hindu havan when gurbani is read is it? Lighting a fire automatically becomes a hindu ritual? Then even doing matha tek and chaur sahib is also a hindu ritual so what should we do? Also Aarti.

Exactly, I do not mean to offend anyones opinions, through reading itihas this issue has arisen as seen in Naveen panth Prakash, Sri sarbloh Granth and the bhram kavach also. I'm simply trying to make sense of what I've found, but put my faith in the Charan of Aad Sri satguru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj

27 minutes ago, monatosingh said:

Isn't this a ritual performed by namdhari's?

Yes veer ji, from what I've read this was also carried out by Satguru Gobind Singh ji Maharaj at Naina Devi and Akali Nihang Baba deep Singh ji before Shaheedi, but it seems to have fallen out of practice.

Waheguru Ji Ka khalsa waheguru ji or fateh

 According to some puratan Sikhs and Sikh accounts, Havan Maryada was performed by shamshir pita Sri satguru Gobind Singh ji Maharaj. If so, how was Havan performed and what was the Maryada for Havan? E.g what banis were read?

Bhul chuk maf Karo ji

Waheguru ji Ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki fateh,

Does anyone know of the Ardas done at sachkand Sri hazoor sahib, if so could you reply with a romanised version with the names of the gurdwareh mentioned in the ardas, thanks

Bhul chuk maf Karo ji

"Jo sikh so(n) hith karehi,so narakae par jaahu". Cleary thankannama Bhai Nand Lal ji shows that Singhs who disrespect other Singhs will be punished at death.

Regardless of ones stance, the fact that two munde are without a father is enough. Look at the levels we've stooped too. Hardly a panth with the leadership remeniscent of Jathedar Akali Baba Phoola Singh ji.

Wjkk wjkf

One thing that doesnt help is when the jathe preach different forms of Sikhi. I have no hate,but i have seen with my own eyes that Baba Ranjit Singh has declared there is no Dharamraj. When such a popular parcharak sides with missionaries, he only goes against the oldest institutions of the sikh panth.

Bhul chuk maf karo ji

A manmukh

Wjkk wjkf,

Lets get something done about this and make sure the panth can come together. Please feel free to come with a solution to this problem. Guru ji da kirpa we'll be able to do something and stop Sikhi from being watered down and changed.

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Veer Ji,

I am glad to say i feel the exact same way and we should without doubt move to keeping guns aswell (The Babbar Khalsa Singhs kept firearms ). However the question still pends...What can us UK wale singhs do to get both Sri Dasam and Sri Sarbloh Darbar into Gurdwara sahibs?

Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh,

After doing much itihaas i have found it that the darshan of Sri Dasam and Sarbloh Darbar is of utmost importance for the sake of the chardikala of the Sikh panth alongside Satguru Granth sahib ji maharaj. What can be done in the uk and in sangats across the world to install sri Dasam granth and Sarbloh Granth as seen in Takht Sri Hazoor sahib were the maryada of the tisarpanth seems to be alive and well aswell as shastar darshan.Can those of us that believe this to be an important issue do anything to create change? The majority of non amritdharis seem to think that we only have one granth which sadness me. Our connection to Dasam pita seems to be cut when the majority of sikhs are ignorant on these traditions What can be done?

Bhull chukk maaf karo,

A manmukh.

https://youtu.be/4rwasc5xHJo

https://youtu.be/EGuFwMs4718

https://youtu.be/2_wYCEHXn_4

https://youtu.be/o_Oku26v2LU

To name afew

Waheguru ji ke khalsa wahiguru ji ki fateh i understand and agree that the Akaal Bunga is the head of the Panth but could I have some quotes and itihaas to back this up thanks