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And my sister. It's been mentioned on here before that a lot of Punjabi girls have low self-esteem and that is why it is easy for predators to prey on them. I have found this to be true. Unfortunately, most Punjabi families do favor the boys over the girls. Furthermore, girls need a strong male in their lives, someone they can look up to, someone who can show, by example, the way a real man acts and behaves. They need to be close to this person as well, to know that he loves and cares about them. Obviously my dad wasn't able to do it, not because of gender issues, he treats us all the same, but because he has always remained emotionally detached for most of our lives. So I did it.
My sister describes me as her "best friend", and I am glad. Every brother, especially the older ones, should be close to his sister, not only to protect her, but also to guide her. My sister tells me EVERYTHING, and yes, this includes her crushes/guys she likes. The important thing is not to be a dictator, not to lecture her about how wrong it is or how much of an <banned word filter activated> she is etc... Crushes are normal when you're growing up, no one can control the way they feel, but we can all control the way we act. So I never chastise her for her feelings towards a boy, instead I remind her that we all have to make the bed we sleep in, that there are very real consequences for what we do, every action has a reaction and she needs to figure out what is important to her and stick with it. We both know of people who sleep around, do drugs, poorly in school, I just tell her that it is her choice about which side of the fence she wants to be on, certainly no one else can force her to behave a certain way. Like I said before, being a dictator isn't going to help, give your kids/younger siblings the tools they need to make the right decisions on their own, it will keep them safe for life.
So yeah, other than that, we have very similar personalities so always spend a lot of time chilling/hanging out together, I help her out with school, we really do get along like best friends. I've talked to her about the whole muslim grooming thing, she listened to me because we are close and she values what I have to say, had I been a dictator big brother it likely would have gone in one ear and came out another. And now I feel comfortable knowing that even if she moves away for Uni, she will be able to steer clear of this problem and come back safe and sound. Oh and one last thing, to guys with little sisters, they pay a lot of attention to the way you treat other women. If you're a womanizer/wanna-be-pimp, they will think it is okay for guys to treat them like that. Treat other girls the same way you'd want a guy to treat your sister.
you hit the nail on the hEAD !
older generation punjabis were always taught to keep emotions hidden, and fulfill your duty - which they do like soldiers - but they aren't able to share things emotionally or tell their kids they love them, because of all the crap they have had to go through in life
all kids want is their elders and parents to spend time with them , be their friend and value them
If you want to advise a young person or steer them on what to do in life - YOU HAVE TO FIRST EARN THEIR RESPECT AND TRUST !
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Interview with Chris Rogers the investigative journalist who worked on the " BBC Inside Out - London" documentary maker
The Sikh Channel ethics program that aired straight after on Sikh Channel with some members of the SAS team
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the funny thing is nowhere in the programme did anyone say that all muslims where like that and nothing derogatory was said about islam the religion
so i don't understand why so many people are being offended and keep sayign its not islam or muslims -
when they clearly stated the facts that perpetrators against Sikh girls tend to be pakistani muslims and not that they are all like that which some media outlets are now saying in defense.
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Dildhar Miah
Sex beast carved his name into girls’ arms
Date published: 03 September 2013AN Oldham man who carved his nickname on the arms of two young girls and sexually assaulted a third has been jailed.
Dildhar Miah (21), of Yasmin Gardens, West Hulme, was sentenced to six years imprisonment at Minshull Street Crown Court, Manchester, yesterday after admitting assaulting the two 14-year-olds and sexual activity with a child.
The assaults took place near Boundary Park in August last year when Miah carved part of his nickname into the arms of the two girls with a piece of glass.
He was also charged with an offence of child abduction after a 14-year-old girl was found at his home address in November that year.
He had previously been issued with a child-abduction notice stating that he was not allowed to communicate with her or allow her to stay at his home.
Following further disclosures by the third victim some weeks later, Miah was charged with three offences of committing sexual activity with a child between August and November, 2012, as well as child abduction with intent to commit a sexual offence. He pleaded guilty to all the charges.
Charlotte Rimmer, District Crown Prosecutor for CPS North-West said: “Dildhar Miah targeted his young, vulnerable victims and sought to use his influence as an older male to exploit them.
“Carving his nickname into the arms of two of the girls while they were intoxicated was just one way in which he tried to exercise his control over them.”-------------------------------------------------
Its not just Girls - a lot of boys have been raped but never speak of it due to the shame-------------------------------------------
http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/10539449.Great_Horton_barber_jailed_for_trying_to_rape_boy/Great Horton barber jailed for trying to rape boy
6:00am Thursday 11th July 2013 in News
By Steve Wright, Crime Reporter
Arshad Mahmood
A Bradford barber who tried to rape a 14-year-old boy who went for a haircut was jailed for eight years.
Arshad Mahmood, 33, lured the boy into a cellar at the hairdresser’s shop, where he sexually abused him.
Bradford Crown Court heard the teenager was white with shock when he got home following the attack.
Judge Peter Benson told Mahmood it had been a significant breach of trust.The judge said: “Parents are entitled to expect that when they send their children to have their hair cut, they are not subjected to sexual abuse.
“You were determined to have your way with this young man.”Mahmood, of Arncliffe Terrace, Great Horton, was yesterday convicted by a jury, after a three-day trial, of two offences of sexually assaulting the boy and two of attempted rape. He pleaded guilty to a charge of engaging in sexual activity in front of a child.
The court heard Mahmood was working at the barber’s shop, noticed the boy outside and was sexually attracted to him.The teenager went in the shop for a haircut, but Mahmood attempted to groom him by offering him money, and then asked him to help fetch some towels from the cellar.
Judge Benson told the defendant: “You admitted that was a device to get him in an area where you could have sexual contact with him.”
The judge added: “You intended to engage in sexual activity with him, at the very least regardless as to whether he consented or not.”
While they were in the cellar the defendant kissed the victim and pulled down his clothing. The boy tried to get away but was pulled back.Judge Benson said he accepted no physical violence or intimidation was used. But he said it was a serious matter because of the number of offences, the persistence of the offending and the abuse of trust.
Mahmood was made subject of an indefinite Sexual Offences Prevention Order, preventing him having contact with under-16s, and was ordered to sign the sex offenders’ register for life.
His barrister, Abdul Iqbal, said it was inevitable his client would be deported after serving his sentence.
After the case, Acting Detective Sergeant Richard Dove, of Bradford District Safeguarding, said: “The victim in this case suffered a particularly distressing and traumatic ordeal and we welcome the strong sentence given to Mahmood.”0 -
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http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article3857894.ece
‘Rising tensions ’ between Muslims and Sikhs over hidden pattern of sex grooming
Shame is an issue, says Mohan Singh, head of the Sikh Awareness SocietyTimes photographer, Paul Rogers
- Shame is an issue, says Mohan Singh, head of the Sikh Awareness SocietyTimes photographer, Paul Rogers
Published at 12:01AM, September 2 2013Outrage over a hidden pattern of sex grooming triggered a mob attack on a restaurant and fears of escalating tension between Sikh and Muslim communities.
The restaurant targeted during vigilante action in Leicester was loosely linked to the abuse of a 16-year-old Sikh girl by a group of Muslim men.
Six adults were jailed on Friday for offences against the teenager including internal trafficking, facilitating child prostitution, inciting child pornography and paying for the sexual services of a child.
Their prosecution is thought to be the first in which a sex-grooming network has been convicted of crimes against a Sikh victim. Recent trials have exposed the abuse of white girls by street-grooming rings, mostly of Pakistani origin. Campaigners claim that child protection authorities have failed to recognise a similar targeting of Sikh children.
The crime model is under-reported, they say, partly due to the shame felt by Sikh families whose children fall victim to grooming gangs, but also because concerns are often mistakenly dismissed by agencies as “Sikhs complaining because they don’t like their daughter having a Muslim boyfriend”.
Early this year, word spread within Sikh communities about the case that led to last week’s sentencing. Rumours falsely suggested that police knew that a Sikh girl was being used for sex by Muslims but were refusing to intervene.The reality, said Detective Superintendent David Sandall, head of safeguarding at Leicestershire Constabulary, was that an inquiry had been launched but the 16-year-old victim had not yet given police a filmed interview.
In January, 50 Sikh men, some carrying knives, metal bars and bricks, attacked the Moghul Durbar restaurant in Leicester. Some of the girl’s abuse took place in a flat attached to the premises. Innocent staff and diners were attacked, three of them stabbed, and the restaurant was ransacked.
Seven men from Derby and Birmingham, of previous good character, were jailed for two years each for violent disorder. A judge described the attack as “mob rule” and “lawless anarchy”.
Their anger was fuelled by concern over the handling of previous cases. Last year, The Times visited a Sikh family in the West Midlands whose pleas for help from police and social services fell on deaf ears. Mohan Singh, head of the Sikh Awareness Society, travels the country to give public talks about the issue. His organisation runs a helpline and is dealing with 19 current cases around the country.“We have dealt with 600 cases over 15 years. In the 50 worst cases it was more than one man, all of them Muslims,” he said. “Shame is a major issue. People don’t want to go to the police so they come to us.”
Most child-sex offenders in Britain are white men, usually acting alone, but there are perpetrators from all religious backgrounds including Christians, Hindus and Sikhs. Muslims have, however, been significantly over-represented among networks convicted in recent years of street-grooming crimes against teenagers.
Five of the six men convicted last week in Leicester were Muslim and one was Hindu. Ashish Joshi, chairman of the Sikh Media Monitoring Group, said such gangs typically targeted girls “from outside their community”. He added: “They go for white, Sikh or Hindu girls because a small sub-section of the Muslim community holds the prejudiced view that non-Muslim girls are not to be respected like girls from their own community.”
In a BBC One film to be shown this evening, Sikh girls speak of being groomed for abuse by Muslims. who at first posed as Sikhs to win their trust.
Also interviewed is Ibrahim Mogra, assistant secretary-general of the Muslim Council of Britain, who says that such crimes are abhorrent but warns that “unsubstantiated allegations” about the targeting of Sikh children may cause “tensions between our communities”. It was “very wrong for society to blame a whole community”.
Inside Out, a special investigation into the exploitation of Sikh girls, will be shown at 7.30pm. The full half-hour film will be broadcast nationally on BBC One HD and regionally on BBC One London. A shorter version will be shown in other areas of the country.
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back to topic - vulnerable young girls are being targeted, groomed, drugged, blackmailed and raped
In most of the cases the first the parents find out about their daughters being groomed is when they disapear and fail to return home from school, college
by this time its too late, in a lot of the cases when the parents go to the police - the girl either says she loves the guy or claims her parents are forcing her into marriage so she gets put in care
which removes the girls from their families safety and the groomers have free access.
listen to this interview of this white girl- http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01ftl7m
this was also related to this news story - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-23820054
Rotherham councillor Jahangir Akhtar steps down over claims
Allegations against Jahangir Akhtar have been referred to the police
Continue reading the main story Related StoriesThe deputy leader of Rotherham Council has stepped down over claims he knew about a relationship between a girl in care and a suspected child abuser.
Jahangir Akhtar's decision follows the publication of one woman's account of being allowed contact with the alleged abuser from 1999, when aged 14.
The Times newspaper reported Mr Akhtar isrelated to the alleged offender and was aware of their relationship.
Mr Akhtar said he was resigning out of "courtesy". He denies the claims.
The Labour councillor said he was also standing down as vice-chairman of the Police and Crime Panel, which scrutinises the local force.
Mr Akhtar said: "I am standing down temporarily as deputy leader of the Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council and as vice-chairman of the Police and Crime Panel as a matter of courtesy to those agencies to resolve any inquiry as quickly as possible."
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Khalsa Ji,
I had the opportunity to speak to a few girls, from the Sikh community, who ran away fro home. The one common factor, behind their decision, was the lack of understanding offered by their parents etc. These girls felt that no one was listening to their views, these girls felt like commodities rather than human beings. These girls became scared. Their fear was exploited by vermin, who gave them a false sense of security. These girls were yearning for affection, understanding, and communication; something they felt was not available at home.
As long as we, as a Sikh community, do not listen to our daughters, do not show respect, do not show affection, and do not give them time; the alternative will be the vermin seizing the opportunity.
As Sikhs we have focused on material wealth, but have lost the real wealth, I.e. our children. There are always exceptions to the rule, but the above summarises the vast majority of Sikh girls, who were sidelined by their own families.
Apologies for any offence caused; my heart goes out for the parents, as well the girls, but our community needs to re-evaluate our attitudes...
Waheguru....
well said bro.....
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there is also an issue of self esteem and respect which plays a bigger part in the grooming mechanism and its being ignored
I didn't realise this until i heard one of Mohan Singh's from SAS talks - and he emphasised the importance of families being close knit, loving and spending lots of time together and talking to each other...... THIS REALLY opened my eyes and i thought i want to do things differently with my kids and make sure i'm always around them and they know they got a friend, bodyguard, councillor, and dad all in one.
how many of us guys on here can honestly say that we have / or are able to talk to our younger cousins and sisters about the dangers of grooming? (without it turning into a rant)
how many of us can say we take an interest in what our girls aspire to, hope to be in future ?
how many of us truly respect them and their opinion and what is important to them or do we just try and tell them what to do?
we need to all take time out of our daily busy money making schedules and spend some time with our families and making them feel respected, wanted, and loved
so they don't go out looking for it elsewhere - biggest thing groomers are looking for is low-self esteem and broken families
The first thing groomers do is
1) shower with praise and gifts
2) talk about family and comment on how they don't respect the girl or appreciate her like the groomer does
3) get her to lie to family and alienate her from them
4) cement the emotional bond with sweet talk and talk of bollywood love stories
5) clinch the deal - she belongs to the groomer now and abuse can begin
There are many panjabi families that say they are middle class/ well off they have cars houses businesses etc but their families are broken
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Radio Interview with Mohan Singh of the Sikh Awareness Society Highlighting the massive problem of grooming of Sikh girls across the UK.
On BBC radio West Midlands
2nd September 2013
8am
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this is important and shows how dangerous attitudes that blame women for rape and abuse are - i am quite shocked at some of the comments on this forum and how quick they are to judge and blame young women for the abuse they suffer. Victims blamed in India's rape culture - http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/27/opinion/gupta-india-rape-culture
Editor's note: Ruchira Gupta is the president of Apne Aap Women Worldwide, an Indian organization dedicated to ending sex trafficking. She is the 2009 recipient of the Clinton Global Citizen Award for her work with victims and survivors of sexual violence.
(CNN) -- When I read about the rape of a 23-year-old photojournalist in Mumbai, I thought, here we go again. On December 6, 1992, when I was a 29-year-old reporter covering the demolition of a mosque in northern India, I was attacked. I wasn't raped, but my attackers sexually assaulted and then tried to kill me.
Someone dragged me to a trench outside the mosque and pulled my shirt off. But a passerby jumped in, fought off my attackers and saved me.
When I appeared in court to testify against the attackers, their lawyers asked me questions that implied I was responsible. How could the daughter of a good family have gone to cover the demolition? Did I smoke? What kind of clothes was I wearing? Did I believe in God?
Ruchira GuptaThe judge did not stop them. It was a demoralizing and toxic experience, but one that is not unknown to women in India who choose to speak out against sexual attacks. They are silenced by a process that heaps shame, fear and guilt on them.
Indian women feel sorrow, anger at U.S. student's harassment
In rural Rajasthan in 1992, a judge dismissed charges filed by a low-caste, or Dalit, grassroots social worker, Bhanwari Devi, who said she was gang raped. She had been campaigning against child marriage. A judge said, "a middle-aged man from an Indian village could not possibly have participated in a gang rape in the presence of his own nephew."
A judgment like this not only deters other women from testifying against their rapists, it also emboldens the attackers, who know that they will get away with it.
Most women say they would never tell the police about an attack, afraid that they would be ignored or even abused by the cops themselves.
Few women want to appear in court only to be stigmatized and traumatized -- unlike treatment of the suspects. While India's legal framework has improved for women over the past 20 years, the people implementing it are mostly male cops and lawyers who live in a deeply patriarchal society.
Incidents of rape have gone up by 873% in India in the past 60 years. On average, each day, three Dalit women are raped in some part of our country. The conviction rate for rape cases in 2011 was 25% -- although some estimate only one in 10 rapes is reported. The conviction rate for men accused of raping Dalit women is almost nil.
The National Crime Records Bureau's annual report of crime statistics also reports disturbing findings: A woman is raped somewhere in India every 20 minutes, and the number of children raped has increased by 336% in the past 10 years.
This culture of impunity is certainly one of the reasons rape has too often become the weapon of choice for frustrated young men who blame women, increasingly visible in the workplace, for their unemployment, and who hope to regain jobs by frightening women back home through sexual violence.
The desire to blame women is fed by a cult of masculinity promoted by corporate and political leaders who serve as role models for the rest of society.
Harassment in India: 'The story you never wanted to hear'
In the course of my work with Apne Aap Women Worldwide, I have seen the steady creeping of a rape culture into the fabric of India. We work to organize women in prostitution to resist their own and their daughters' rape. The biggest challenge we face is the attitude of politicians, senior police officials, heads of foundations and even policy makers who view rape as a normal part of society. Many have told me: "Men will be men."
Recently, when National Crime Records Bureau pegged West Bengal as the state with the highest incidence of crimes against women, the chief minister contested the bureau's statistics rather than tackling the problem.
Continually, budget allocations to the Ministry of Women and Child Development are reduced. Debates to ensure equal power sharing between the sexes through the Women's Reservation Bill have gone nowhere.
But no amount of violence and intimidation is going to force women back into their homes. In fact, homes are often the places where females are in the most danger -- from the time they are conceived to old age. An average Indian female could likely be a victim of foeticide, infanticide, malnourishment, dowry, child marriage, maternal mortality, domestic servitude, prostitution, rape, honor killings and domestic violence -- simply because she is female.
Equipped with better education, women are courageously taking their place in the public sphere as doctors, lawyers, journalists, bankers, politicians, farmers, teachers and more. They are signing up for social justice movements to end the growing inequality and unemployment in our country.
As yet another gang-rape victim suffers in a Mumbai hospital in India, we have to recognize the need to overhaul the criminal justice system.
In December 2012, India and the world were shocked by the brutal gang rape and beating aboard a moving bus of a 23-year-old physiotherapy intern, who later died of massive internal injuries. It prompted desperate calls for reform, protests and close examination of India's attitudes toward rape.
But after the initial outrage, it seems that the law has only changed on paper. The rape in Mumbai might not have happened if the culture of rape was truly overcome and sexual assaults were taken seriously.
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White girl interview about muslim groomingThere was an interview on radio 5 live this am (Wednesday 28.08.13).
A girl aged 14 (named Jessica - not her real name), was groomed by a muslim man.During the interview Jessica recounts how after 3 - 4 weeks of meeting that he had sex with her, although he knows she is only 14 -Jessica also tells how she was headbutted, kicked and punched, intimidated and threatened.Jessica also recounts how the police, social workers and foster families all allowed Ali access to her.She was put into care because her parents were deeply concerned about her safety - the Police told her she should be ashamed.At 21.0 (minutes) Jessica states that Jahangir Akhtar (deputy leader of Rotherham council and vice chair of Police and crime panel) knew about Ali raping her and arranged for her to be handed over to the Police while Ali could go free.9 -
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Evil dirty groomers are the root cause shamsher
Innocent unsuspecting parents and children who would never dream of such attrocities are easy prey
Its a male chauvinist view to just blame the girls, which is the problem with asian communities.
The muslim viewpoint is that its the girls fault, if she didnt cover up, she brought it on herself, so it absolves the men of any responsibility, It is her fault
Wheras sikhi teaches men " par triya roop na pekhey netr" do not look upon other peoples women, sikhi teaches the men to control their lust, and respects women.
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When amhed shah abdali invaded india and took its daughters as sex slaves, the sikh warriors stood up and saved who they could and returned the sisters home.
The cowards said its their own fault their parents didnt protect them, and not accept them back , similar to how ram chandr didnt accept seeta back
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Guru nanak asked his sons to take the bowl that had fallen in thr swamp, his sons said leave it its dirty
Guru nanak said no get the bowl out of the swamp
His sons did not go into the swamp
Bhai lehna jumped into the swamp and retreived the bowl, he was filthy with muck
But Guru nanak embraced him, and he became Guru Angad
Saying this is the maryada of the house of Nanak, that in the kalyug the gurmukhs will go in and save who they can
And not just leave them to suffer and die.
Thank guru there are people like sas and sikh helpline which still beleive in helping and protecting families, without them this prorgramme wouldnt even be happening.
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MUST WATCH for all Sikh Sangat please !!! the following is a comprehensive list of all media exclusives this weekend which are essential reading and viewing for all Sikh Sangats and that we all get behind this media attention as it will be the first time these issues are aired on National TV.
Saturday 31st August - Times Newspaper Article
The Times newspaper on Saturday will be publishing a full two page spread article on the work of the SAS and the national problem of Sexual grooming. Please get the newspaper.
Monday 2nd September - 7:30pm - BBC Inside Out London Special on Grooming of Sikh Girls by Muslim Men.
(Can be viewed on Sky channel 954 (BBC One London) for those who are not in the London area!)
This programme has come about through the ongoing support work of the Sikh Awareness Society with abuse victims. The programme will highlight issues and problems that are being faced by the Sikh Community and how they are tackling these issues themselves.
An Inside Out London special, uncovers the hidden scandal of sexual grooming of young Sikh girls by Muslim men. Breaking their silence, they speak to Chris Rogers about their experiences at the hands of these predatory men and why justice is being denied to them by their own community and the police.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b039kmx6Monday 2nd September - 8pm - Sikh Channel - Sikh Ethics programme will discuss the BBC documentary
After the BBC programme airs on TV on 2nd November straight after on the Sikh Ethics Programme on Sikh Channel from 8pm-9pm the programme will be discussed by Mohan Singh and the SAS team
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Qgk_gW4A6Io
Sky Channel 840, Rogers TV Channel 676, Bell Fibe TV Channel 667 online www.sikhchannel.tv/watchus and via iOS and Android applications.
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Sikh Awareness Society can be contacted via the following links.
Website: http://www.sasorg.co.uk/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SikhAwarenessSocietySAS
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No more seeking and no more suffering we must transcend the ego and Gurbanis aim is to help the ego realise this.
A path is only needed to achieve our goal to find ourselves but the source once realised requires nothing from us. My true self is the guru/God and my ego/body/mind is the slave of the guru/god and has always been.
you have just said a path is only needed to achieve our goal, so a path is still needed.
Maarag Paaeae Oudhiaan Mehi Gur Dhasae Bhaeth ||1||
In the wilderness, the guru places them on the path, and reveals the secrets of the Lord's Mystery. ||1||
Eihu Jag Andhhaa Sabh Andhh Kamaavai Bin Gur Mag N Paaeae ||
This world is blind, and all act blindly; without the guru, no one finds the path.
Guru Gobind Singh ji was one with God ( DVAI TE EK ROOP HAVAI GEYO ) but he still forged a path through kalyug , so people could have a chance.
PANTH CHALEY TABH JAGAT MEH JAB TUM KARO SAHAY
i will start this new path in the world, when you help me to do so
and then he bowed to it and submitted to this path himself - even though he was one with God
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I just hope the message is getting across
recently heard of a young Sikh girl going out with a Sikh guy for a few months, and when his credit card fell out of his pocket it had a Muslim name on it, she was really upset at the deceit.
various methods of trickery are used , including the old "all human beings are equal anyway" and "why are you discriminating against us"
"why are you being racist against Muslims" and " come on its the 21st century don't be so old fashioned, we can mix"
we should inform all of our youth to stay away from kebab and fast food joints with the halal sign, as this is some the main places that young people are started being groomed by gifting them free meals - tell your kids to stay away from these places....
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we had a camp last week for kids from ages 6-16
and many parents who attended with their kids and loved the talks in english
and they where asking if there were any english discourses they could listen to online
i said 4 words "BASICS OF SIKHI youtube "
PHEW!
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I heard something happened at one of Nidars recent seminars in Toronto?
does anyone have any information on what went down?
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In the same way there is no muslim and Hindu... there is no mona sikh or amritdhari sikh...
to a certain extent and from a certain standpoint consciousness is right - maanas ki jaat sabhe ekai pehchaanbo , etc
ek noor teh sabh jag upjeya koun paley ko mandey
and also the story of Bhai Kanhaiya who riled the Sikhs by offering water to the enemy, when asked he said he saw only one in all
so at a very deep spiritual level this is true, but we are still entities which must live in the physical world and must follow a path and must have a Guru. we still need a way to traverse the dark age as oneness alone can also lead to someone running in all directions, with no path to pass onto the next generation. Without a path there is ambiguity even if they all reach the same place we cannot take many paths, we must choose one.
so we are children of our guru and we follow his path, if we abandon this, thinking we are free
then you have just forgot the mother that gave birth to you, no matter where you go in the world or what you become
she will always be your mother and she will always be your source
our source - our link back to the original Ek Oangkaar
is Guru Nanak and our path is Sikhi
I will start a new topic where we can discuss this with references from gurbani
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Gursant did have a long term involvement with 3H0 and yogi bhajan, which is why he can seem to have a sort of personal vendetta and is unable to stand back and be objective. I also believe that one has to have lived on the inside to know what is really going on and he has confessed to doing things which he now regrets.
I am sure there are some truths to what Gursant says and yogi bhajan has used yoga as a way to introduce Sikhi to westerners
and there's no doubt about it that yogi bhajan was a just a human and not a guru, so probably made loads of mistakes and concocted ideas to cement his followers faith
BUT, even Trilochan Singh who wrote the main book (Sikhism and Tantric Yoga) which critically analysed Yogi Bhajans tantric ideology and exposed it says...
"I am extremely worried about the manner in which Yogi Bhajan teaches Sikhism to American young men and women whose sincerity, nobility of purpose, and rare passion for oriental wisdom and genuine mystical experiences is unquestionably unique."
The majority of 3h0 Sikhs are good sincere people GENUINELY in search of a spiritual path
I have met many 2nd and 3rd generation 3H0 Sikhs who have a really healthy outlook and understanding of Sikhi and are in no way cultish or practise un-sikh practices.
many of of them understand that yoga without devotion is not Sikhi , and many of them have had the chance to explore and learn Sikhi through their own experiences and through reading Gurbani and have moved away from the Hindu practices and even from Yoga to a certain extent.
But I would in no way say they are a threat or are malicious in their intent to distort or attack Sikhi
there are a few 3H0 yoga teachers here in UK whose students have expressed concern at the level of control they try to exert over them - again this is individual and you will always get a few.
ਅੰਜਨ ਮਾਹਿ ਨਿਰੰਜਨਿ ਰਹੀਐ ਜੋਗ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਇਵ ਪਾਈਐ ॥:
Remaining pure in the midst of the worldly filth this is the way to attain Yoga
(sggs 730).ਨਾਨਕ ਘਰਿ ਬੈਠਿਆ ਜੋਗੁ ਪਾਈਐ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਉਪਦੇਸਿ ॥:
Nanak ghar baithiaa jog paaeeai satgur kai oupades:
O Nanak, Yoga is obtained even while sitting in your own home, by following the Satguru's (Divine) Teachings
(sggs 1421).
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it just comes down to character
if someones a bit dubious and dodgy - i wouldn't send my kids even if they had the best skills in the world
protection of our youth is important, which is why i think its important to be honest and expose any lies so parents can make their own choices
still there has been no comment from Nidar regarding the fact that he IS NOT the last living master of shastervidiya, which he has been claiming to British newspapers, when there clearly are students of Baba Giana singh still alive
I mean why LIE?
have any of his students asked him? or is that not allowed?
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Bbc One Must Watch -Sikh Girls Groomed By Muslims
in WHAT'S HAPPENING?
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got this off the SAS facebook page .... it makes sense, we need to let more and more of our panjabis know and be aware and the best way is to to do it on a sunday when everyones at the gurdwara
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We need your help ! Since the recent BBC documentary highlighting the targeted sexual grooming of Sikh girls, the SAS has been inundated with messages of support and people volunteering their help. It seems that our community has been concerned about this issue for a long time, but this concern has fallen on deaf ears. We have a chance now to make a change and protect our children for the future - Awareness is the Key! but its up to us.
We need you to be proactive. Petition your local Gurdwaras and community centres and Sikh Societies to host SAS Awareness seminars and pack these events out with members from the local Sikh Community. These seminars will benefit not only the Sikhs, but will benefit the wider community through raising awareness and educating people of all ages about the dangers of these sexual predators.
We can discuss this issue of sexual grooming, make everyone aware of the danger and also share the ways in which we can prevent these horrible atrocities.
Please be proactive and once you can agree on some dates contact events@ssasorg.co.uk to book a seminar. Thios will also give us a chance to meet all of you and get everyone involved. We are looking forward to protecting and serving the community with your assistance.
BHai Mohan Singh, SAS