Sukhvirk1976

Just now, Kira said:

Guru Nanak Dev Ji physically manifested in Talwandi, however he's more than capable of manifesting and showing himself to ANYONE who desires to meet him with a true heart. Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji = Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. The bani that all the Bhagats wrote after they received Amrit is what became Gurbani, Guru Nanak Dev Ji has infinite forms. He came to Bhagat Dhanna Ji as a handsome male, He appeared out of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji for Sant Isher Singh Ji. Restraining him to one form or one time is narrow minded.

Guru angad dev ji received charan pahul amrit Baba Buddha ji oversaw it but didn't receive it does that mean he wasn't gursikh? 

1 minute ago, Jacfsing2 said:

You have never read Gurbani have you? Or when you read it you just ignore the most important parts of almost every shabad in Gurbani to pick the most convenient interpretation of Gurbani you want. Before you comment any more, listen to Gurbani and understand what's being said, (we all on this forum know that's not going to happen, but at least I said that important bit). Also stop spamming by making multiple accounts, just keep one and stick with it or make it public which on you will use from now on.

Read and digest brother.. Please I'm tired of arguing with you 

Just now, Kira said:

Bhagat Dhanna met God in the form of a male. Are you going to argue its impossible for that to have happened? God and the Guru are one, always active through the ages. 

I asked a simple question... Are you suggesting that guru nanak dev ji had many avatars? And to just clarify you are affirming guru nanak dev ji was a God? 

7 minutes ago, Kira said:

How do you know they never met them in person? as I already said before Guru Nanak Dev Ji has been active through the ages. All of them were blessed with Amrit through God. There's actually records of Guru Nanak Dev Ji meeting Bhagat Kabir Ji and meetings with the various Bhagats. Guru Nanak Dev Ji isn't restrained by time. The Bhagats themselves were a special case as they were chosen to impart portions of Gurbani to the world.

 

Read the Bani of all the Bhagats, they all mention Satguru. So tell me who is the Satguru of this age?

Satguru is SGGS ji

1 minute ago, Kira said:

I really think you need to start reading Gurbani, If the concept of Guru Nanak Dev Ji being around well before his avtar in Talwandi is alien to you then I have no idea why you keep coming on here to lecture others about various things. 

Wow so OK please explain.. Are you saying that there are multiple avatars of Guru Nanak Dev Ji? 

3 minutes ago, Kira said:

How do you know they never met them in person? as I already said before Guru Nanak Dev Ji has been active through the ages. All of them were blessed with Amrit through God. There's actually records of Guru Nanak Dev Ji meeting Bhagat Kabir Ji and meetings with the various Bhagats. Guru Nanak Dev Ji isn't restrained by time. The Bhagats themselves were a special case as they were chosen to impart portions of Gurbani to the world.

 

Read the Bani of all the Bhagats, they all mention Satguru. So tell me who is the Satguru of this age?

One way I know for sure guru nanak dev ji and Baba farid did not meet is the fact that Baba farid ji lived about 350 years before the birth of Guru Nanak Dev Ji 

Just now, Kira said:

How do you know they never met them in person? as I already said before Guru Nanak Dev Ji has been active through the ages. All of them were blessed with Amrit through God. There's actually records of Guru Nanak Dev Ji meeting Bhagat Kabir Ji and meetings with the various Bhagats. Guru Nanak Dev Ji isn't restrained by time. The Bhagats themselves were a special case as they were chosen to impart portions of Gurbani to the world.

So guru nanak dev ji was a supra natural being? OK I'm following your train of thought.. Please explain 

1 minute ago, Kira said:

He actually did, Sikhs of Guru Nanak Dev Ji took Charan Paul Amrit which was essentially a declaration of them belonging to him. Guru Gobind Singh Ji did. So please, there were prerequisites. Anyone (as in a person) can join, no certain group is prohibited so please. This isn't an oxymoron.

Asking questions is one thing, now you're simply challenging the very rehit laid out by Guru Gobind Singh Ji. 

That's simply not true.. Charan pahul wasn't taken by all by all 'sikhs' by your own logic Bhagat kabir, Baba farid would not be Sikh? Or Guru gobind Singh ji or Guru har gobind ji, har kishan ji, Baba namdev or any of the bhagats who's bani in in SGGS ji who never met in person the 10 jyot of Nanak.. So how do you square that? 

16 minutes ago, Kira said:

I'm not raging at you. Anyone can join. The only requirement is following  the one Supreme God and accepting Guru Nanak Dev Ji's jyot as the only guiding lamp in this dark age; What's so difficult about that prerequisite? 

Anyone, regardless of "caste" , race, sex, sexuality etc are all free to enter the House of Nanak.  You seem to want create a problem from anything.

I'm asking questions sorry if you find questions problematic 

13 minutes ago, Kira said:

I'm not raging at you. Anyone can join. The only requirement is following  the one Supreme God and accepting Guru Nanak Dev Ji's jyot as the only guiding lamp in this dark age; What's so difficult about that prerequisite? 

Anyone, regardless of "caste" , race, sex, sexuality etc are all free to enter the House of Nanak.  You seem to want create a problem from anything.

I believe that is called a oxymoron.. Anyone can join but.. When the truth of akaal is eternal and beyond boundaries how can we make prerequisites.. Guru Nanak Dev Ji didn't 

2 minutes ago, Kira said:

Where have I stated that? I made the point that using that argument is completely wrong. By saying that to just about everything you can justify or completely criminalise anything you want. Stab someone? its ok, steal something? that's all cool, right and wrong exist on this plane of existence, the only person devoid of it is God himself. Using the whole "true" argument is completely wrong, further more there is nothing exclusive about Sikhi, even those who weren't Sikhs end up being reborn purely for 1 thing and that's the gift of Amrit, they then move on and enter Sachkhand, like it or not but the House of Nanak is the only shining light in Kalyug. Anyone can join, there's no requirement. In Kalyug the only way to get to God is through Gurbani, all the enlightened Bhagats did this. In various other Yugs things were different (slightly). 

 

You want to rage against me but really were not a million miles away from each other.. 

You say anyone can join but you clearly don't actually believe that.. 

For someone to join your club you have a number of prerequisites and standards 

6 minutes ago, Kira said:

The argument that non-duality can be applied to anything other than true followers of God is rather stale and false. Fact- Gurbani said that Muhammad got lost in Maya, if the very leader of a faith is lost in Maya, so are the followers. You claim everything is within God so my argument is just fine. You claimed that its possible to be a Muslim and and a Sikh, I pointed out it wasn't. Gurbani itself has criticised Islam, yet you seem so keen on pushing that "labels" are meaningless.  If you asked any Mahapurkh who they were they'd say a Sikh of Guru Nanak, Guru Gobind Singh Ji described God as his "Guru" thus he was also a "Sikh ". The stupidity of your argument that labels are meaningless is almost as hilarious as your argument that you can be a Sikh and a Muslim.Everything is 1-onakar as you put it, so uhm no. By your logic all of it is extremely fine as its all just God. 

Blind Faith as you so nicely seem to think is the belief that everything about  a certain thing is completely perfect. I do believe that Gurbani is completely perfect, that's an application of Blind Faith. Don't you? If you don't then I dare say you're not a Sikh at all. 

Once again Bani is being misconstrued by you. Bani tells us to find the truth through rationality WITH the help of a Guru. A teacher, if the teacher is wrong then the student is almost certainly wrong too. 

 

I agree with you except with your exclusivity 

5 minutes ago, Kira said:

The argument that non-duality can be applied to anything other than true followers of God is rather stale and false. Fact- Gurbani said that Muhammad got lost in Maya, if the very leader of a faith is lost in Maya, so are the followers. You claim everything is within God so my argument is just fine. You claimed that its possible to be a Muslim and and a Sikh, I pointed out it wasn't. Gurbani itself has criticised Islam, yet you seem so keen on pushing that "labels" are meaningless.  If you asked any Mahapurkh who they were they'd say a Sikh of Guru Nanak, Guru Gobind Singh Ji described God as his "Guru" thus he was also a "Sikh ". The stupidity of your argument that labels are meaningless is almost as hilarious as your argument that you can be a Sikh and a Muslim.Everything is 1-onakar as you put it, so uhm no. By your logic all of it is extremely fine as its all just God. 

Blind Faith as you so nicely seem to think is the belief that everything about  a certain thing is completely perfect. I do believe that Gurbani is completely perfect, that's an application of Blind Faith. Don't you? If you don't then I dare say you're not a Sikh at all. 

Once again Bani is being misconstrued by you. Bani tells us to find the truth through rationality WITH the help of a Guru. A teacher, if the teacher is wrong then the student is almost certainly wrong too. 

 

So you don't believe in 1ongkaar? That is what you saying.. 

25 minutes ago, Kira said:

What on earth does that have to do with anything? By your stupid logic I could say Aztec practices are just as fine because "1 on-ankar" I think you're either mentally disturbed or simply really thick. 

I've actually read portions of the Vedas, I've read Gurbani and im in the process of reading the Quran. So yes, I've tried my hardest to draw a proper conclusion based on empircal facts.

What the actual hell lol? labels? lmao. the word Sikh or Gursikh is used hundred of times, that's a label you muppet. I already know what verse you're referring to and that verse was Guru Nanak Dev Ji instructing Muslims on how to lead a pious life, the same Gurbani also says that Muslims are 1 eyed and unable to see God. So please. Try again.

 

Same, I've yet to meet someone who spams reply because putting everything together seems too much mental strain for him.

We could both exchange pejoratives but I think we should rise above it 

15 minutes ago, BhForce said:

When my Internet should happen to be off for one reason or another, I'm not able to access sikhsangat.com, so, yes, I do realize it is online. 

The question is, how does that change what I said? Does being online mean the forum can run with no members?  Does being online mean the forum can run with no rules?

And you still haven't answered 1) why Sukhvirk76 doesn't have to follow established rules if even Guru Gobind Singh ji does. 2) And if he's special. 3) And (a new question): if Sukhvirk76 is special, in what way is he special?

I'm special because I am alive! 

13 minutes ago, Kira said:

I think he is special...just not that kind of special if you get what I mean.

LOL 

HAW HAW HAW 

4 minutes ago, Kira said:

What on earth does that have to do with anything? By your stupid logic I could say Aztec practices are just as fine because "1 on-ankar" I think you're either mentally disturbed or simply really thick. 

I've actually read portions of the Vedas, I've read Gurbani and im in the process of reading the Quran. So yes, I've tried my hardest to draw a proper conclusion based on empircal facts.

What the actual hell lol? labels? lmao. the word Sikh or Gursikh is used hundred of times, that's a label you muppet. I already know what verse you're referring to and that verse was Guru Nanak Dev Ji instructing Muslims on how to lead a pious life, the same Gurbani also says that Muslims are 1 eyed and unable to see God. So please. Try again.

 

Same, I've yet to meet someone who spams reply because putting everything together seems too much mental strain for him.

I need not to say anymore.. The use of Pejoratives are telling. 

In the most simplistic interpretation or to be more blunt one who doesn't understand  advaita /non duality " I could say Aztec practices are just as fine because "1 on-ankar" except bani takes us to a next level. The example you use is one of ritualism or blind faith becoming more important than the message.. Ironically what you are doing 

You also describe your khoj as being based on 'emperical' facts.. Empericism is based on experienced facts.. And whilst that informs us bani also tells us to search for truth through rationality.. The truth is! Whether you and I experience it. 

"I think you're either mentally disturbed or simply really thick. "  all gur prasad 

I'm astounded! 

1 minute ago, Kira said:

you're the one asserting that it's possible to be a Muslim and a Sikh. I asked you (using the proper beliefs of Islam) to prove it, you keep saying "true Muslim" " and I've shown you what the beliefs of a true Muslim is. Muslim in this context is a follower of Muhammad, if that's somewhat confusing you.

LOL what do you mean proper beliefs.. Read bani.. It will tell what a proper Muslim is or for that matter what a proper Sikh is.. 

Not someone who is who is obsessed with common labels.. Khoj.. A tribe called quest. 

4 minutes ago, Kira said:

A true "Sikh" is one who believes in Gurbani wholeheartedly, They also believe Guru Nanak Dev Ji is the only ship that can save you in Kalyug. A true Muslim believes in the Quran and Muhammad wholeheartedly. Similar concepts for a Christian, so tell me how Guru Nanak Dev Ji, Muhammad and Jesus are all on the same level. If only Guru Nanak Dev Ji can save someone in kalyug these figures can't do anything. So uhm no, its impossible to be both. 

 

Mool Mantar says "Gur prasad", with the Grace of the GURU. So tell me is Muhammad a Guru now? The only Guru who's existed throughout the ages and who exists for anyone in Kalyug is Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Rather than repeating the same trash again and again and again I thought it would be smart to ask you a straightforward question but it seems that has either exploded your mind or (judging by the fact you can't seem to formulate your thoughts into 1 post) you just wish to talk out of your rear end all the time. I'll ask you again. 

A Muslim who proclaims Muhammad is the only way to God. How can he also proclaim that Gurbani is a viable Option. The very core of any muslim is the fact that they all recite that Muhammad is the only way to God. SO tell me how someone can say 2 polar opposites and also be both. How can someone call something a lie and the truth at the same time. Gurbani also states that the Quran, Vedas etc are all incomplete, How can someone sit there and say that but also say "the Quran is perfect" . Yeah no. Nice try. 

Have you read the vedas have you read the Quran do you even appreciate the 1ongkaar 

2 minutes ago, Kira said:

A true "Sikh" is one who believes in Gurbani wholeheartedly, They also believe Guru Nanak Dev Ji is the only ship that can save you in Kalyug. A true Muslim believes in the Quran and Muhammad wholeheartedly. Similar concepts for a Christian, so tell me how Guru Nanak Dev Ji, Muhammad and Jesus are all on the same level. If only Guru Nanak Dev Ji can save someone in kalyug these figures can't do anything. So uhm no, its impossible to be both. 

 

Mool Mantar says "Gur prasad", with the Grace of the GURU. So tell me is Muhammad a Guru now? The only Guru who's existed throughout the ages and who exists for anyone in Kalyug is Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Rather than repeating the same trash again and again and again I thought it would be smart to ask you a straightforward question but it seems that has either exploded your mind or (judging by the fact you can't seem to formulate your thoughts into 1 post) you just wish to talk out of your rear end all the time. I'll ask you again. 

A Muslim who proclaims Muhammad is the only way to God. How can he also proclaim that Gurbani is a viable Option. The very core of any muslim is the fact that they all recite that Muhammad is the only way to God. SO tell me how someone can say 2 polar opposites and also be both. How can someone call something a lie and the truth at the same time. Gurbani also states that the Quran, Vedas etc are all incomplete, How can someone sit there and say that but also say "the Quran is perfect" . Yeah no. Nice try. 

Baba Farid never said that 

11 minutes ago, Kira said:

There's a difference between respect and thinking its right. Guru Gobind Singh Ji respected various Hindus and Muslims, that suddenly didn't make him say that someone could be a Sikh and a Muslim/Hindu at the same time. That quote is about anyone who takes false oaths, Guru Sahib told his Sikhs not to trust anyone like that anyways. 

 

So once again I've asked you to provide a logical way in how someone can adhere to Islam but also be a follower of Guru Nanak Dev Ji How can someone proclaim the Quran is the only revelation of God but also then turn around and say "yup Gurbani is the same too" 

 

So you don't agree with mool mantar? 

9 minutes ago, Kira said:

There's a difference between respect and thinking its right. Guru Gobind Singh Ji respected various Hindus and Muslims, that suddenly didn't make him say that someone could be a Sikh and a Muslim/Hindu at the same time. That quote is about anyone who takes false oaths, Guru Sahib told his Sikhs not to trust anyone like that anyways. 

 

So once again I've asked you to provide a logical way in how someone can adhere to Islam but also be a follower of Guru Nanak Dev Ji How can someone proclaim the Quran is the only revelation of God but also then turn around and say "yup Gurbani is the same too" 

 

Gurbani is unique and the message transcends dogmatism.. 

6 minutes ago, Kira said:

There's a difference between respect and thinking its right. Guru Gobind Singh Ji respected various Hindus and Muslims, that suddenly didn't make him say that someone could be a Sikh and a Muslim at the same time. That quote is about anyone who takes false oaths, Guru Sahib told his Sikhs not to trust anyone like that anyways. 

 

So once again I've asked you to provide a logical way in how someone can adhere to Islam but also be a follower of Guru Nanak Dev Ji How can someone proclaim the Quran is the only revelation of God but also then turn around and say "yup Gurbani is the same too" 

 

Someone who is a true Muslim, true Christian, true 'sikh' doesn't get lost in communalism 

2 minutes ago, Kira said:

There's a difference between respect and thinking its right. Guru Gobind Singh Ji respected various Hindus and Muslims, that suddenly didn't make him say that someone could be a Sikh and a Muslim at the same time. That quote is about anyone who takes false oaths, Guru Sahib told his Sikhs not to trust anyone like that anyways. 

 

So once again I've asked you to provide a logical way in how someone can adhere to Islam but also be a follower of Guru Nanak Dev Ji How can someone proclaim the Quran is the only revelation of God but also then turn around and say "yup Gurbani is the same too" 

 

If guru nanak dev ji could wear a chadar with inscriptions of the Quran yet also chastise those who abused the authority of the Quran for there own means... If you believe akaal is one (which as someone who proclaims to be a Sikh) it's very easy to move beyond the politics of religion...