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2 hours ago, Lionesswoman said:

Guru Nanaks first teaching was that there is no Hindu or Muslim, and hence no religion. Truth is One, it cannot be confined to a religion, it is All Pervading, the powerhouse of the Universe and the knower of hearts. 

The Gurus knew this, we all know the Truth really deep down, the answers all lie within us, where else did Guru ji get them from if not from God within. 

The Guru taught us to treat others with respect and to respect the freedom of humans to practice what belief they choose.

But they glorified Truth, hence when they  saw someone adding rubbish to it, they called it out. When they did many listened to their own hearts(God) and knew it was the Truth. 

 

 

 

Wjkk Wjkkf Bhenji

Agreed the truth is not confined to a certain religion and it is within us all! But only Satguru Ji can reavel this truth within us.....

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਹਥਿ ਕੁੰਜੀ ਹੋਰਤੁ ਦਰੁ ਖੁਲੈ ਨਾਹੀ ਗੁਰੁ ਪੂਰੈ ਭਾਗਿ ਮਿਲਾਵਣਿਆ ॥੭॥ 

The key is in the hands of the True Guru; no one else can open this door. By perfect destiny, He is met. ||7||

Dhan is our Guru! Dhan Dhan Dhan!

On 1/2/2017 at 8:41 AM, Guest Enlightenment said:

I just read this five-year-old thread here

and I am amazed and astonished and disgusted at how mind-numbingly low religion can bring people.

This was a post by a 20-year-old Sikh girl who happened to be in a relationship with a Muslim boy. There were absolutely no problems with the relationship -- he was NOT religious, he never spoke badly of her religion, he was very liberal and gentlemanly and encouraged her with her studies and did everything a good boyfriend should do. He was the polar opposite of the stereotype that Sikhs have of Muslims. Yet the girl was so ASHAMED to be in a relationship with a Muslim that she kept the relationship a secret from her family and friends. When she came here, confused and sad and looking for advice -- she was torn to pieces by her co-religionists who called her boyfriend racial slurs like "sullah," accused her of betraying her religion and family and culture, and saying she had cheapened and insulted her entire community because that community would suffer the humiliation of a Muslim boy having one of its women, apparently.

The girl was basically bullied and verbally abused into breaking it off with the boyfriend, who had done absolutely nothing wrong once again, and was blindsided and rewarded for his kindness and open-mindedness and love with a stab in the back. She broke it off with him not because of anything he had done, but because he wasn't good enough for her tyrannical family and fellow Sikhs.

As a nonreligious man with a Muslim family background I can somewhat understand that a really indoctrinated, generalizing Sikh ignorant of history and selective with memory would only remember that Aurangzeb had some guru flayed alive and that the Mughals staged massacres of Sikhs some five centuries ago, and that Muslims allegedly do X and Y and Z to Sikhs today, while of course completely turning a blind eye to any atrocities Sikhs are accused of. Yet still, the fact that such an ironfisted hatred can coexist with an average human IQ is baffling.

Me, on the other hand -- I have NO religion. I cast mine off long ago. Why do I need a faith? What does a religious person have in their mind and spirit that I do not -- and what mistakes or sins do I commit that a religious person doesn't? I hate no one, no one is my enemy. I do not have to attach myself to a vast population that shares "my" religion and consequently have to hate whoever they hate and be against whoever they feel has wronged them. Religious books tell me (depending on the religion) not to eat bacon, mix wool with linen, cut my hair, accept blood donations, or some other gibberish -- while I have never learned anything about morality itself from a religious book that I did not already know thanks to being human. I am free to be a good person based on my own rationality and conscience, and am thus free from absurd and completely artificial expressions of religious morality. Being virtuous has nothing to do with refusing to cut your hair, wearing a turban, carrying around a dagger or praying at the gurdwara. I am shocked at how religious people can think that a decent life on earth requires so much arcane complication and symbolism and ritual. That thread was full of people who probably did all of these things, yet lacked any common sense or true morality.

There is NO such thing as prophethood or revelation -- how can anyone think that God would reveal himself to ONE person like a guru or a prophet, and then simply leave billions of other human beings to be convinced or not convinced by the prophet's preaching? All the Sikh Gurus combined, know as much as I do about God -- and that is as much as the Pope of Rome, the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, or the President of the Mormon Church knows -- NOTHING. Your revelations, miracles, prayers -- are all stories in an extremely well-written book of poetry, like the Bible and the Qur'an.

The Sikhs I have met in real life seem very little like the ones in the thread. They were humble, polite, well-spoken, not dogmatic in the least, always inviting me to gurdwara for this or that although I avoid all places of worship -- but it seems religious and committed Sikhs are just as bad as really committed Muslims or really committed Hindus. We all need to GROW UP. If I tell you I'm Muslim and you tell me I'm Sikh, that's like me saying I believe in Santa Claus while you believe in the Easter Bunny. There may very well be a god -- the universe could not have come from nothing -- but religion is the most powerful fairy tale ever, in that children continue to believe and swear by it until they die of old age, despite not a shred of evidence to support one atom of any religion. I believe India in particular is falling apart because of religion. The trick is not to encourage tolerance or dialogue or anything like that -- that has been tried for thousands of years. The trick is to realize that that holy book you're holding in your hand, whatever your religion, belongs in a literature class -- it has nothing to do with reality and it's not a replacement for your brain.

Guru sahib has no hate to anyone and due to this his gursikhs shouldnt have hate towards anyone. 

When it comes down to it the girl can do whatever she wants, however I have come across uncountable cases like this someone comes along, shows a little bit of attention to the girl, spoiles her with gifts to win her over. Next thing you know the girl is either on drugs getting pimped out or been flown out to Pakistan. I have perosnally witnessed pakistani males wearing a kara, going by a sikh name to pull our girls. The reason why so many advise against these relationships is because they have seen first hand the outcomes. They are not good.

18 hours ago, Akalifauj said:

Can you tell us the practicality of chaur sahib?

16 hours ago, Preeet said:

Mhmm, especially since there are electrical fans now (with their logic)

Wjkk Wjkf Pyaario 

Could i ask what you guys what you think a chaur sahib's purpose is? From the above post about electrical fans it seems as if the purpose is to keep flies etc away. From what understanding daas has the purpose of a chaur sahib is to signify Guru Ji's royality and king of kings status. From the little seva Guru Ji has taken from this ant of doing chaur sahib seva it was done for satkar and to uphold the royalty of my king.

Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee 

Samosa Singh Ji,

I have heard that the purpose of lighting a jot was due to practicality - if there light went out or in times were there was no electricity the gurbani reader could still carry on gurbani path without disturbance. 

ਨਾਮੁ ਤੇਰੋ ਆਸਨੋ ਨਾਮੁ ਤੇਰੋ ਉਰਸਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਤੇਰਾ ਕੇਸਰੋ ਲੇ ਛਿਟਕਾਰੇ ॥
ਨਾਮੁ ਤੇਰਾ ਅੰਭੁਲਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਤੇਰੋ ਚੰਦਨੋ ਘਸਿ ਜਪੇ ਨਾਮੁ ਲੇ ਤੁਝਹਿ ਕਉ ਚਾਰੇ ॥੧॥
ਨਾਮੁ ਤੇਰਾ ਦੀਵਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਤੇਰੋ ਬਾਤੀ ਨਾਮੁ ਤੇਰੋ ਤੇਲੁ ਲੇ ਮਾਹਿ ਪਸਾਰੇ ॥
ਨਾਮ ਤੇਰੇ ਕੀ ਜੋਤਿ ਲਗਾਈ ਭਇਓ ਉਜਿਆਰੋ ਭਵਨ ਸਗਲਾਰੇ ॥੨॥

If we read above Guru sahib is saying everything for a Gursikh is naam and it's with naam we have to light the jot inside.

On 12/11/2016 at 11:42 AM, singh598 said:

This guy has done biggest bezti of Sikh religion and brought the sacred Kakkars into disrepute.

it is never justified for a man to attack a woman with physical violence 

jacfsingh comments r shocking 

when it becomes common knowledge that Sikhs are fighting in Gurdwaras and using Kirpaan for personal disputes and not self defence then politicians will act to ban the Kirpaan 

Preachers are to blame for giving naive kids Amrit Sanchaar 

Uk Sikh groups have done or achieved NIL besides from nice photos with MPS and pardaans

Singh - I am not going to justify his action but we havent been told the full story on this. But take into account what may have forced him to use his kirpan? What would drive someone to do that? I've been reading through all comments here and everyone seems to be tearing this singh apart for using a kirpan. Let me give you all a reality check, a kirpan is a shaster not an "article of faith".

I will give you a sceniro, what would you do if someone broke into your house with the intention of hurting your family? I dont know about anyone of you but that khanda on the side of bed is coming out with the intention of destruction lol.

No need to do any doubt on this - read however much gurbani you can with pyaar, this is the most important thing. Doing path in car, walking is not beadbi, just make sure you've cleaned hands just before reading and its fine. Beadbi occurs when we dont listen to guru jis message.

How do you tie your dastaar? Make sure there are no knots in your keski or dastar as this can cause headaches. When my dastar is too tight i normally use a sly to realese some pressure lol. Your dastar wont be affecting your vision like that though - definatly migranes and the eyes going funny is probabaly something called aura which occurs during migranes. Look at your lifestyle, diet etc. You drinking enough water and eating fruit and veg?

First image that came into my mind after reading Sparkhill was Mr Khan 

All Singhs and Kaurs should do some form of martial arts...we call oursevles sipahis but the majority of us would slip a disk after throwing a few punches! 

I've been listening to this kirtan track whilst working - waheguru. Uplifting 

https://www.instagram.com/templeofseitan/?hl=en 

Alternative to all you chicken lovers lol 

Using milk is a tradition from puratan times that is still being carried on. Milk is also considered pavitar.

Floor of harmandar sahib is also cleaned daily with milk - seems likle this maryada has carried on from Guru ji's times.

I wonder how many anti cow £5 noters would make a U turn on their stance if all employers started paying with new £5 notes cash in hand! Animal rights will go out the window .

Waheguru!

2 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

chuhe tidd'ch nach rehe hai ? poor guy ...all this talk of pizza must be torture

 

Big choice coming up soon, pizza or aloo wale parothe with plenty of butter for lunch  

1 hour ago, simran345 said:

Lol. 

Ok, you make the pizza and I'll give u the dhaniya, then everybody on here can let you know if it's made properly after the free samples ?

Vand ke chakko applys on everything in life.....apart from dhaniya wala pizza lol!

We should support our own Singh's opening restaurants - got to be better than giivng all your money to some <banned word filter activated> chicken shop .

On a side note i could do with a dhaniya pizza right now.....

WJKK WJKF

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸੇਤੀ ਗਣਤ ਜਿ ਰਖੈ ਹਲਤੁ ਪਲਤੁ ਸਭੁ ਤਿਸ ਕਾ ਗਇਆ॥

One who enters into a calculated relationship with the True Guru loses everything, this world and the next

Not all about the counting, we all need to ready gurbani and take the message deep inside of us which is the hard part! I've tried counting and you end of just focusing on the number rather than the bani and i dont know about any of you guys but it increased my hankaar meter to the red zone if though i hadnt done much path! Its good to have targets but the aim should be to exceed these everyday day and not just stop at them! 

Going slighlty of topic - a singh once told me its easy to sit in a kirtan programme for hours or read a lot of gurbani when the mind is yearing guru shabad, however guru's counter starts when you dont want to sit in kirtan and dont want to do path. That's when we have to battle our mind and force ourselves to do it! 

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh,

Sangat jee everyone share the bania and shabads which affect you guys the most and why? Let's start disucssing the greatness of Gurbani!

_/\_

On 11/16/2016 at 10:17 PM, Guest gupt said:

Hi so i am a teenage girl that feels nothing towards sikhs. However two years ago i did have a bit of a connection with sikhi and wanted to take amrit,but I didn't. And now i can't feel any prem, I feel like maybe its because I think Sikhi is restricting because i like cutting my hair, it makes a confident person and i enjoy it and i don't understand the point of keeping res no mater how many times someone has said to me. I want to feel that prem for maharaja but I am doubting everything. Like i am leaning towards Christianity and I don't like the fact that I am. But I feel like i am leaning towards the Christian religion is because they believe that every other religion is going to hell and I don't want to go to hell, and i like cutting my hair like i struggle to keep it. I understand not eating meat and I am fine with that as I have been a vegetarian for two years.I have so many problems, please give advice because I do want to have that prem for Sikhi. Sorry if I have said anything wrong. 

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Bhenji the worst hell for a sikh should be living without his Guru. Look at the below shabad to see the love of Guru Raamdas Ji Maharajh:

and:

ਰਾਜੁ ਨ ਚਾਹਉ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਨ ਚਾਹਉ ਮਨਿ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਚਰਨ ਕਮਲਾਰੇ॥

I do not seek power, and I do not seek liberation. My mind is in love with Your Lotus Feet.

This is the pyaar we should want and do ardas daily for Guru Sahib! If we have this love in our mind then hell is a place away from Guru Ji's feet.

Once we starting reading bani and doing simran and grabe a hold of Guru's feet do you think he will ever let us fall into hell? Look at out puratan shaheed singhs like Bhai Taru Singh and Bhai Mani Singh - they gave their life for Guru Ji! Anyone who scares you about going to hell is trying to trick you into following their faith. If we go by the logic in your post above it would mean Sikhs like Baba Deep singh and Bhai Gurdas Ji are going to hell! Is this even possible? 

Look deep inside of you and you will see Guru Sahib sitting there.

Sangat ji forgive this dog for anything wrong i've said. 

_/\_ 

• ਹਰਿ ਮੰਦਰੁ ਏਹੁ ਸਰੀਰੁ ਹੈ ਗਿਆਨਿ ਰਤਨਿ ਪਰਗਟੁ ਹੋਇ ॥: This body is the "Harmandir" (Hari's Temple, but this secret) is revealed by the Jewel of the Divine Wisdom  (ang1346).

Guru ji says we can make our body into a gurdwara by putting simran and gurbani into it.

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh!

Diamonds are found deep within in the earth's mantle - a lot of effect is required to reach them. Same thing with sikhi.

Im still digging.......