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1 hour ago, superkaur said:

 

I'm pretty sure some Sikhs who were rich land and shop owners did convert to Islam rather than leave their rich lands when partition happened in 1947. Those were the weak Sikhs that had no love for sikhi the patiaila captain amrinder and badal family types who would sell their own mothers than face the enemies of Sikhi head on.

The weakness is not with pakistani muslims.....the weakness is with our kaum not creating media propaganda of muslims converting to Sikhi or teaching our youth and people we must convert others to Sikhi in order to be saved in the next life. We are in s state of wishy washy denial not helped by the manhat freemasons running SGPC.

You might be surprised to learn that it were the poorest who left Sikhi during partition and stayed back in Pakistan. And their religion of choice was not Islam but Christianity. No doubt some did convert to Islam, just like a few especially poor Muslims became Sardars overnight in our Punjab.

There was a Pakistani Punjabi author named Afzal Ahsan Randhawa, he claimed to be a descendant of Baba Buddha. He wrote an emotional Punjabi poem after Blue Star on his agony after hearing the news.

Anyways my point was about the Pakistanis falsely claiming their ancestors were Sikh as a dawah tactic which I've seen quite often.

Agree with your second paragraph.

Inferiority complex, in one of their films they were saying Sikhs are the bravest 'qaum'  and only ones who can compete with Muslims - don't remember the title, it was set in the British India times. 

Besides that just religious extremism whereby they want others to convert to Islam. They always try it in one way or another,  I've seen quite a few Pakistanis claiming their ancestors embraced Islam by leaving Sikhi and so on.

I wrote this after being on the other topic that was made regarding the negative portrayal of a Sikh woman in a Pakistani drama. Here are some of my observations over the years:

The portrayal of Sikhs in Pakistani cinema ranges from the sometimes positive to the rather often negative end of the spectrum. One of the first films to be a big hit in Pakistan was based on a fictional Sikh character during the times of partition: Kartar Singh (1959). While initially Kartar is shown as a rogue, he has a change of heart after the Muslim protagonist Umerdeen saves his life. 

Sikhs were generally shown as ill-mannered drunkards in many films, often without their turbans. Some other films with Sikh characters include Gabroo Putt Punjab De (1969), Balwant Kaur (1975), Chan Veryam (1981), Gernail Singh (1989) and so on. In Veryam (1981) they show the Muslim protagonist saving a Sikh girl from the British while all the Sikhs of the village failed to defend her (including the 'gyani'). Later she runs away to his house and converts to Islam. When her brother finds out and goes after her she gives him a whole speech of seeing the 'light' and inviting him to leave Sikhi as well, a rather demeaning scene that can be seen from 1:47:00 onwards here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XfkiHQViLc.

One can't fail but see the constant subconscious need to show Sikh women converting to Islam, be it the films like Veryam (1981) & Larki Punjaban (2003, with a 'twist' in the end to please Sikhs) or TV Drama Bilqees Kaur (2012). Besides that the clear attempts to show the Hindus as scheming villain creating problems between Sikhs and Muslims is also seen in their films.

You have to give them credit where its due though, they made a drama on the dark periods of fake police encounters in Indian Punjab. It is called Kesri Painday. A young Pakistani Sikh was also part of the cast.

ਹਾਥ ਪਾਉ ਕਰਿ ਕਾਮੁ ਸਭੁ ਚੀਤੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨ ਨਾਲਿ ॥੨੧੩॥ 
With your hands and feet, do all your work, but let your consciousness remain with the Immaculate Lord.

(1375, Guru Granth Sahib)

• Lt. Gen. SK Sinha disclosed that a replica of the Golden Temple complex was built 18 months before the operation, for army preparations and rehearsels. This was before Bhindranwale shifted to the Akal Takth.
• If the operation had been planned meticulously and well in time, why was the attack launched on a holy day for the Sikhs?
• Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale was present in the Akal Takth only, why were 38 other Gurdwaras across Punjab attacked by the army as well resulting in the loss of hundreds of Sikh lives?

A Sikh lady got into scuffle with Korean Christian ladies who were being disrespectful and trying to convert Sikhs at our Harmandar Sahib in Amritsar. Some people tried to malign the Sikh lady saying she was a Hindu convert and trying to pitch the Sikhs against Christians in Punjab. But now the Christian missionaries are going live themselves on their FBs in Harmandar Sahib. When will Sikhs finally wake up? Only a few Sikh youth were going to convert to Christianity in the late 19th century and it triggered the biggest revival in our faith in the form of the Singh Sabha movement and today lacs have become Christian and we're still sleeping.

The political correct attitude of our tree hugging liberals will ruin our kaum. Not so long ago Korean Christian ladies were preaching Christianity within the premises of Darbar Sahib, Amritsar. You can check a video by United Sikhs regarding this on youtube. 

All these movements started on a large scale after militancy especially, when Sikhi was at its weakest. There have been many incidents with Christians before, one Pastor Harbhajan Singh forcibly converted 2800 people in his village and spoke against the Gurus in the 2000s. They always used Sikh terms like satsangat for congregation and satguru for Jesus to convert naive and gullible Sikhs. We have no proactive and visionary leader left, so lets do what we can on a personal level by keeping an eye on developments in our native villages and helping the poor & Sikhi parchaar in our areas.

A few points come to mind.

1. The 'social reformist' (samaj sudhaar) activities carried out by the Kharkoos were unnecessary and gave adverse effects to their objective of attaining a sovereign state. These include:
   * forcing women (including news anchors) to wear dupattas
   * threatening and murdering artists (even if they were vulgar like Chamkila)
   * banning the sale of alcohol, tobacco and meat, attacking liquor vendors, barbers, butchers, ...
   * disallowing music at weddings
   * banning saris, cosmetics for women, ...
   
   Just like any other action it did have positive sides too, the simple marriage ceremonies came with a ban on dowries but enforcing a 'moral code' is not the Sikh way and it alienated not only the non Sikhs but also the 'moderate' Sikhs. 
2. There was an immense amount of infighting among the kharkoos due to various reasons, including theological, personal and territorial disputes. The DDT and AKJ had at times taken to violent ways to enforce their viewpoints during the movement. Sikhs need to learn to put personal differences away and unite against a common enemy as was shown historically by the Misls.
3. The intentional targeting of Hindus and families of police officials. While a lot of killings of Hindus were done by the govt under false flag operations to malign the Kharkoo movement, one cannot deny that several Sikhs were deliberately targeting Hindus and the families of police officials. Collateral damage is likely during guerilla warfare but these kind of acts are against our Sikh ideology, no matter what the circumstances are. 

The OP is referring to a Sakhi that surfaced in the 1980s and was reported to be from the Sau Sakhi - a book of 'prophecy' within the Sikh panth. This book has been interpolated with many times to add suitable prophecies, such as the come back of Maharaja Duleep Singh and him taking over Punjab to rouse the Sikhs and garner support. The British tampered with it to facilitate their rule by in a way approving their rule through the Guru. And it seems another Sikh did this in the 1980s. Below is the document mentioning the 'tabhi roos cheen hind mein charh aavay'. The population mentioned in the document (70 crore) is the population of India in the 80s, today it has far exceeded that number. The language is fairly recent and nowhere similar to the writings of our 18th century. The possibility of a nuclear war between India and China is not being ruled out, but the authenticity of this document is in serious doubt. Besides that, Russia has been a strong ally of India since the beginning. They have defended them against the US in the 1971 war and even gave intelligence inputs that triggered Operation Blue Star, hence it seems very unlikely that Russia will attack India.

On 1/15/2017 at 7:38 PM, proactive said:

The Maharajas were to concentrate on taking over the districts adjoining their states. Faridkot was to take over Ferozpur district and Patiala was to take over districts to the east of the state. The Jathas reinforced by soldiers from the Sikh states and ex-soldiers from the Indian army were to take over Amritsar and Lahore and the canal colonies.

Good post. I however disagree with the above part in bold. There is no doubt that Maharaja Harinder Singh of Faridkot wanted an autonomous Sikh state as he had put forward this demand to the British, but Patiala has always been a sell out state viz a viz the Sikh Qaum. 

Vallabhbhai Patel used Maharaja  Yadvinder Singh of Patiala to quell the demands for Khalistan or Sikhistan. The Maharaja organized a Panthic smagam in Patiala where he told Sikhs not to ask for an independant state. This fact was mentioned in the Hindustan Times paper at that time.

The Maharaja Patiala was satisfied because he got good posts after independence. It is only after steps were taken such as the derecognition of princely families that the Yadvinder Singh started supporting the idea of an independent Sikh country. This fact is barely known but was shared by Jagjit Singh Chauhan in one of his articles.