Prokharkoo84

hold up, how can you 

6 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

I'm not sure I agree, in some small part yeah a bit, but dude is going to consumate, and tend to her needs even if he has to take a pill. 

If he's loving, treats her well, gives her children, is a good Sikh and doesn't drink and beat her, he's got a good argument that he can be a good husband. 

Within Sikhi, sex is only for those joined in Anand Karaj, and that is only for a man and woman. So homosexuals have to remain celibate or do something like he's suggesting. Only better alternative for him would be if Anand Karaj was suddenly made available to gay people, which isn't happening any time soon, if ever. 

There is a lot more to love than bangin it out. He sounds prepared to be good to her in all ways, including that. 

Let's flip it...what if you entered into Anand Karaj with a lesbian,  who was Gursikh, treated you well in all ways, and still made love to you and bore children even though she's gay...problem would be?...

I'd take that any day over some drunk, abusive, lazy, self entitled straight girl. 

bro allow the scenarios, the reality is that ajeetoo is not into women, so why is he marrying one? Our Guru Sahibs and shaheed singhs gave kurbaniyah protecting women, are we that stupid now to think just because someone might be nice to a girl he deserves to shatter her dreams and hopes?

On 5/14/2018 at 8:26 AM, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

it is true that i am attracted to men and not women.  I am not ruining a poor girls life . 

What if I asked the same question to your 98% society ? why ruin poor gay peoples life by denying them rights and social equality ?

I dont want to get into that cliched debate again. 

There're more chances of a girls life getting ruined in punjab by marrying a straight guy than by marrying me lol 

so your gay but your marrying a girl and think you are not ruining her life? have some shame, that is someones daughter and sister, how would you like for your mother or sister to marry a bingah? 

i thought you were into men and not women? why ruin some poor girls life?

christian missionaries and radha swamis are a proper cancer, noone speaks out against them and generally we accept them into our families and friends as they seem 'nice'.

radha swamis - started by a sulah to do kabjah on a gurdwara sahib for which the property was under Guru Granth Sahib ji's name

christian missionaries - use drugs etc to brainwash people into thinking a 'miracle' has happened in their life. these are very dangerous people and prey on the weak.

its Manikaran Sahib... not just Manikaran.

On 5/3/2018 at 7:28 PM, jashb said:

The video could certainly have been made A LOT more informative.

There was a whole wealth of information that could have accompanied the video that could have explained the armed struggle to the lay person.

Recorded statements like those passed by balram kutha jakhar, the 8th speaker of lok sabha no less, pertaining to the Sikh Genocide could have been presented. Facts and figures about the genocide of 1984 could have been given. Figures of the Sikh contribution to the struggle for freedom from Britain could also have been provided to contrast with the treatment Sikhs received immediately from 1947. Bhai Sahib Bhai Kapoor Singh Ji's Sachi Sakhi is a treasure box of information on the subject.

Images of indian state torture victims could have been included to show the depraved acts of terror Sikhs suffered at the hands of agents of the indian government during this period, in what was almost always illegal custody, that for some continues without charge even to today (Jaggi is the tip of an iceberg).

E.g. How Sikh babies were set on fire and even fed to kingdoms of ants by indian police officers just to end the bloodline of certain families. How Pregnant women were killed just so they wouldn't give birth to a Sikh child. How Singhs like Bhai Manjit Singh Debi Ji were boiled alive in police stations just like Shaheed Bhai Dayala Ji.

How the panth's daughters were gang raped by indian police kuthey like gobind ram in broad daylight and the pind was rounded up and forced to watch. How the jails of mir mannu were resurrected under the directions of kachi dilli darbar. How whole families were wiped out, yet india just went by its business like nothing happened.

Tyrants like abdali would have been proud of the systematic genocide of Sikhs. A little research would have revealed names and locations of the victims, there were so many that it is baffling such information is not provided routinely in videos that touch upon the subject of the Sikh Genocide, there are plenty of Amnesty cases on Panjaab that the lay person could be inspired to look up.

Factual information regarding what forced Sikhs to start the morcha for their rights in india in the first place is also totally missing.

E.g. the loot of panjaab's river waters that continues to today, continued denial of the semi-independent status of the Sikh homeland that was promised to the Sikhs in 1946, article 25 that even denies the independent existence of Sikhi. The blatant discrimination of denial of state language status to saadi pavitar maa boli Panjaabi for decades despite the fact that every other state was granted its local state language. Only for dilli darbar to eventually carve out haryana and himachal out of Panjaab, whilst passing entire swathes of Panjabi majority areas to non-Panjabi administrations.

The enactment of TADA, the unconstitutional "law" specifically designed to be enforced on the state of Panjaab in order to suspend the most basic and fundamental human right that any human being can expect of their government - THE RIGHT TO LIFE - enabling the indian government to summarily execute Sikhs for the simple crime of being Sikh, without having to go through the formalities of detention, trial or even charge, providing the butchers of Panjaab, kachi sarkar the ability to systematically cut the panth down to size. Providing the indian punjab police and crpf the freedom to kill thousands upon thousands of Sikhs at will since 1984.

The numerous, dozens of link canals that have been dug up in the blink of an eye since 1947 from Satluj to divert river waters to rajasthan and haryana and deprive Panjaab of its only natural resource without compensation of even an anna to Panjaab. (SYL wasn't even the tip of an iceberg, yet some of our people seem to think stopping that has stopped the loot of our river waters. Think again.)

The reduction to destitute beggars of a proud kaum by deliberate centralised policies of keeping Panjaab under-educated and reliant on agriculture.

Then the failure of the indian government even to provide a sustainable price for the crop it procures by force - a pitiful fraction of the international going market rate at any time - not even allowing farmers to market their produce privately but instead banning them from private enterprise, and even the blatant in-your-face discrimination of throwing Panjabi farmers the pittance of a rate as low as half the price for the staple crop that it pays to those outside Panjaab in neighbouring rajasthan and haryana!

Deliberately overlooking the superior educated potential youth workforce of Panjaab in favour of the unpadh backwater of haryana for mass industrialisation in order that Panjaab's economy remains dependent on state controlled agriculture.

How the deliberate failure to provide the farmers a fair price for their crop has led to the curtailment of the growth of the panth by forcing farmers to have smaller families in order to have enough to provide a half-decent yet astronomically priced private education to their child, since teachers are non-existent or useless in Panjaab's sarkari schools. How the continued discrimination against Panjabi farmers since 1947 has led them into the vicious cycle of continued debt, drug addiction, and eventually suicide in order to escape such a wretched existence.

The counter argument would be as to how much can you fit into a three minute music video. That point might be partially valid, but I would disagree. The video is almost completely devoid of factual information, so at least a start should have been made.

Overall, the video is more than a decent effort as a starting point, and is miles better than the gundh being pumped out in the name of "kalakari" in Panjaab. Its main downfall is that it is completely missing accompanying information which would have done a lot better justice to the song.

Hopefully, if these Singhs make another music video, they will make it much more informative to the lay person.

 

Good post bro, but it was Gurdev Singh Debu of KCF from Dheerpur and not Manjit Singh 

im on about the typical clowns from lozells, aston etc, not those searching for spiritual enlightenment lol

very good post and if i am honest i am divided on my thoughts about this song/video.

the postives:

- it show the anakh/josh that the singhs of the sangaarsh had is still there with the new generation. remember it was the kharkoos using force that had the whole of hindustan shook during the peak of the movement

- its easy for the youth to relate to and gives a bit of hype

- the song itself is good, i like the line at the end about people calling singhs giani as i think its very relevant in todays age

- channi is the relative of shaheed mohinder singh kooner and its good to see that the relative of a shaheed is trying his best to keep the legacy alive. 

the negatives:

- yeah in the wider punjabi/sikh community and in front of others e.g canadian media, indian media etc it does make us look stupid in hindsight, in the respect where we look like we are violent outlaws

- i agree that this song doesnt address the reality of ground level punjab and the issues it is facing - but then again, how many other so called khalistanis are doing this?

overall i think all the posts raised in this debate need to be considered, the whole movement apart from those like mintoo and co who have given their everything appears to be hype on social media, or for singhs to walk around with kharkoo/khalistan tshirts on acting militant but refused to either go to punjab or when they do go, they dont wear the same tshirts lol.

14 hours ago, monatosingh said:

Hell naw

whats the point in claiming to be a nihang aka a pehredhar of the quom if you aint gona do nothing lol

did you challenge them? ask them why they were at sikh mela and potentially grooming our sisters?

15 hours ago, monatosingh said:

Apparently, there was some sort of little arguments that occurred, not sure what happened.

From my point of view, it was "a bit more aggressive" this year. For example, people who tried to make way through the crowd tend to push and argue.

was it with sulay?

were there any kick offs with the usual suspects?

apparently she is a shameless characterless woman - think her actions have proven this to be true 

Salute to this mahaan jodha who sacrificed his all for us, funding himself for the sangaarsh, turning his back on a successful business and the luxuries of the west.  

The families of a lot of shaheeds are resentful to the movement, they lost everything and are miles behind the average punjabi in terms of financially now. After all, these lost their breadwinners whilst their jameen farms etc were taken by force. Very easy for us in the west to hype about the sangaarsh, we got our luxury homes etc whilst those who gave their sons have got nothing

I dont know whether this is true or not, but in reality this is an easy accusation to use in order to try and destroy someones character. Look a bit closer to our time and see some of the stories that were said about kharkoo singhs.

i have heard a lot of reference to shaheedi pehrahs taking place during bluestar 84... the tank that got stuck by baba deep singh jis shaheedi yaadgar is one i can remeber at the top of my head

sad thing about this article is, that it is 99% true. our community whether you class that as sikh or punjabi has this issue. from being someone who loved a good session with my cousins at the end of every family gathering, whether that was an akhand paat or wedding, i have experienced this first hand. i have also experienced having family members who were on the sesh everyday. whether we turn this into a sikh vs punjabi, singh vs monah issue, the fact is it affects us all. I dont know what i did to deserve  Guru's kirpa and managed to get away from this, but it is clear that we all need to help each other. 

2 hours ago, monatosingh said:

I think Jhatka has it's own restrictions also.

What I mean is eating it for the taste. If you eat it for taste it becomes kullah maas, because you are not eating it for survival you are eating it to treat your temporary taste buds that won't count in the afterlife.

The only reason we eat is for survival. If we get into that mindset then we won't have much of these controversial meat topics.

1 hour ago, monatosingh said:

Let alone Sant Ji, most Sikhs don't follow what Guru Sahibs told us to do (including me, I am not the greatest).

I am sure that would be a great start.

agree bro - well said

51 minutes ago, TheeTurbanator said:

Simply eating meat isn’t “puteh karam”. 

First off, I’m not part of any pro meat Jatha, stop assuming things about me. 

Second, meat isn’t just for when Sikhs are being persecuted. There is an entire Jhatka Maryada built around this, but you wouldn’t care because you cherry pick Sikhi and Khalsa Maryada. 

Third, no one, literaly no one, is saying eating Jhatka makes you a Sikh. Following Sikhi makes you a Sikh, and Sikhi isn’t against meat, History is clear. 

jhatka maryada yes... but going to the supermarket and filling your freezer with cheap meat isnt sikhi. i dont cherry pick sikhi, i try and follow it the same way as real singhs i have seen during my lifetime and based on the kurbaniyah given. 

Fateh - i am currently in wales near swansea staying with a family member while they set up their business. if there are any singhs who are from the area - please get in touch.

17 hours ago, TheeTurbanator said:

If Bhinranwale did in fact say to burn an Amritdhari simply for eating meat, then I would not consider him a Saint. 

There is a clear documented history of Sikhs eating meat. Meat itself is not “unholy” as the Taksali’s make it out to be. The ban is only on Halal meat. 

To burn someone simply for eating meat is stupid. 

PS: I’m vegetarian 

until you do 0.5% of what sant ji did, then decide if hes a sant. funny how you judge him, but anyone who cusses meat you got a sausage up your bondh

18 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

I doubt the veracity of the fire thing for eating meat/drinking. 

Is it documented?

Wasn't Sant Ji reforming addicts etc and returning them to Sikhi?

 

 

yeah reforming people, not giving siropeh to those who claimed to be amritdhari, wore gurus bana and kakkar and did beadbi.

17 hours ago, TheeTurbanator said:

If Bhinranwale did in fact say to burn an Amritdhari simply for eating meat, then I would not consider him a Saint. 

There is a clear documented history of Sikhs eating meat. Meat itself is not “unholy” as the Taksali’s make it out to be. The ban is only on Halal meat. 

To burn someone simply for eating meat is stupid. 

PS: I’m vegetarian 

this aint a taksali issue, sant ji message was clear - if you seen anyone doing puteh kaam when in the roop of a gursikh wearing panj kakaar, then deal with them. funny how you pro meat jatha find so much dhukh in someone slating meat, tell me which ones of you are in the jungles being persecuted and starving? Let me guess... none of you. all you meat crew, how many of actually train? how many of you are pakkeh in your rehit? how much seva do you do? funny how you think by eating jhatka makes you a sikh, but doing the basics doesnt even come close.

15 minutes ago, monatosingh said:

Is this true?!

This is shocking.

There are a whole load of Amritdhari's who eat meat either for medical reasons or because they are not as restricted to meat (Akal Takth Maryada).

Is there any proof that he said this?

Why is it shocking? Cause someone finally had the courage to stand up to those who abuse Amrit? what medical condition do you need meat for apart from greed? and not being funny, but any maryada that states you can eat meat is BS in my opnion. Fair enough if you like the singhs who were out in the jungles, but not if your like niddar going to aldi and buying cheap sausages