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33 minutes ago, Cisco_Singh said:

The biggest wasted opportunity in Sikh history due to caste pride ...

Well, that's sad. Also there's little incentive for Hindus to convert, if casteism still somewhat exists between many Sikhs.

3 hours ago, TigerForce1 said:

Steps are already being taken to move towards a Sikh homeland.  2020 referendum is going to happen.  All we need for now is the Sikhs in Punjab to tick yes box in 2020.  The rest of the problems such as negative Punjabi  culture, cast issues, substance abuse and female infantacide can all be taken care of once we are in the driving seat.  The problem lies in actually selling the referendum to the Punjabi Sikhs.  It's only 3 years away and the last thing you want is for it to pass everybody by because it wasn't marketed and sold to them effectively.  

I also know that the referendum will have no legal binding on India but it will pave the way forward for phase 2 and will open up debate if it's successful.  This for now is all we have and all we as individuals can do is help with spreading awareness.

Do you really think the Indian government would comply to a referendum which breaks up India ?

Agreed. For one, Sikhs should have more kids, 1-2 isn't going to cut it.

India must grant freedom to a separate state, although I'm not sure if the Hindu majority districts/ Chandigarh would comply, if we were to assume that the Indian government is receptive to Punjab independence.

8 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Another twat projecting the end of the panth. You know fools have been doing this for a few centuries now don't you. And we're still here. 

I think we've got another undercover troll here folks. 

So anyone you disagree with, is an "undercover" "troll" ? 

I mentioned it would not be irreligiosity, but low fertility rates responsible for the dwindling Sikh population.

59 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Sikhs should spread out. We're only messing up because we do such a tutti job of converting others (and retaining those born into it), unlike some other communities. 

Not really lol, those other communities have much higher fertility rates, Pakistan only got more than half of punjab because of the demographics favouring the Muslim population - because of the consistently high fertility rates between Muslims (sure many were forcefully converted, but it's difficult adapting to an Abrahamic religion, from an Indian religion) . 

edit: Same case with Muslims within Punjab right now..... within a few decades you'll see Sikhi die out (because of low fertility rates more than irreligiosity), you'll see more Hindus become atheists (though the Indian census won't likely accept atheism), and Muslims increase fast in population %.

Scheduled "lower-caste" Hindus should be converted into Sikhs, that's the only way Punjab can prosper.

27 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Realistically speaking why would anyone return to a place where jobs are scarce, and the jobs that are available treat you like terribly. In society there is a ranking system, and in that system in Punjab, the Biharis are the lowest common denominator, (a comparison in America would Hispanics). The reason people go oversea is because of a terrible economy and all the jobs are too low for any modern Punjabi person to do, and the diaspora will be even more stupid for going back. Even O.P. has left Punjab to find work elsewhere, all he can do is be hypocritical.

He would be hypocritical if he called others out for leaving, simply recognizing the problem doesn't make one a hypocrite.

Well yeah you're right. It's not only Punjabi Sikhs which immigrate, punjabi's hindus do as well, but the immigrants in Punjab are typically Hindu/ Muslim.

Poverty leaves you with no choice. Also what kind of work are you talking about!

See If the ~2-3 million Sikhs came back to Punjab, we wouldn't need immigrants from UP/ Bihar.