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1 hour ago, CHaamCHrick said:

The best have spoken and the mules still squabble amongst themselves! They will soon decimate themselves if they carry on at this rate/speed............What will become of the panth?

The mules are only capable of squabbling. When they have no logic to provide they get hot headed. There is a general saying Taksali aklo Khali. They get hot headed and want to shut down our voices. Then they get so hot headed the want non taksalis dead!!! What has the world become. 

Sangat ji, this is the other topic chatangas referring to. To me it seems pretty same. 

No i am not backing up missionaries. Like i said earlier when muscleman attached vids i said as far as these vids. And i stated that i skipped through them. I am saying, again, that no matter what missionaries have done or say ir believe or not believe, they arent worse than current taksal. I did not say at any point that dhunda is flawless. I am not bad mouthing him because as far as i know he isnt wrong.

When singhs asked maharaj 'how will we do your darshan' maharaj said '5 singh tyaar bartyaar....'. Singhs said what if there arent 5? Maharaj said even if theres one singh. Singhs said what if we cant find one. Maharaj said look at yourself. Quick summary. U get the story. 

Bhupinder singh is a shaheed. Kps gill and beanta are not. Duh. 

Harnam singh put taksal izat on a plate of ladoos! Jameer.....? Leh

When taksalis killed bhupinder singh they tried to find dhadrianwale in the school. They could only find the car with the body and then shot THREE times at the head. 

I think you are too blinded by dhummas belly to understand and let go of jathabandis. 

1 minute ago, chatanga said:

 

Giani Thakur Singh comes out with different stuff all the time. People have now realised this. But it's good to see that you realised that Thakur Singh was making a lot of stuff up.

The missionaries are not ahead of Taksal going towards Maharaj. Who can be moving towards Maharaj when they say naam simran is not necessary?

 

 

No-one in Mehta Chowk is a pakhandi. Where the people doing nindya of Dasam bani for years at Delhi gurdwaras some kind of role models for you? Baba Harnam Singh himself engineered the resurrection of Dasam granth katha at Delhi Gurdwaras and the sangat overwhelmingly voted in the same party to continue this parchar of Dasam granth. Thats pakhand to you?

 

 

 

Because Baba Harnam Singh stil has a lot of respect amongst the Taksal and Dal Panth and the other samprdais. None of the samprdais are against him. They are all with him. Like it or not, he has achieved some crucial things for the panth that would not have been achieved had he kept his "jameer" as you put it. Think about some of the words you use.

Hahahahahahahahahaha harnam singh has respect??? I think my socks have more respect!

Missionaries are definitely not as bad as current taksalis. They talk and preach with love and devitotion. Yes they are not 100% right however NOBODY is more wrong than current taksal. 

Harnam singh could even give his life but his respect has now gone. Whats the point in him trying to seem like this good panthic parcharak by doing stuff reg dasam granth when guru ji said in a saabat soorat amritdari singh you will do my darshan and he clearly doesnt. It is all fake. Forget that bhupinder singh was missionary he was a guru da singh. 

Jameer? Sant ji had jameer. Dhumma doesnt even know the meaning of it. He doesnt realise how big a padhvi is to be jathedar of taksal. He is using and abusing his power. Everyone sees it except taksalis blinded by maryada. 

Everyone at Mehta or 99% are pakhandis. If they arent then ehy do they not speak up? Or leave? Bhai Lehna Singh DDT Ragi supported nikke ghumman diwan of Dhadrianwale and current taksal said he has betrayed taksal. That how lowlife dhumma gang are! Singhs at Mehta are no diff to terrorists. No diff at all. They allow innocent killings! If bhupinder singh was your brother youd have a different opinion. 

12 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

bro 

a handful of pakhandis is NOT the Taksal  as a whole so  please think in specifics rather than generalisations. If you had said GOI paltus I would agree , I agree those that disrespect Guru Maharaj ji's darbar or bring's it into disrepute need sorting out by verbal confrontation and explanation or if still not complying physically kicking out of post.. 

Apologies. I will say "Current" Taksal going forward. I thought people understood I did not mean Sant Ji. I am talking about the present. I assumed I wouldnt have to specify each and every time. I will be a lot more clear in future for the likes of you.

Nah cant do verbal confrontation they will do a shabeel on us! 

12 minutes ago, chatanga said:

 

The difference would be that Sant jarnail Singh would not have said that the previous understandings were wrong. Sant Ji would have given a different interpretation from a spiritual angle but would not have vilified any angles the other Sants approached it from.

 

I agree. That is exactly my point! That is what i am saying. Just because there are differences in views does not mean someone is wrong. 

Sant ji gave shaheedi not join indhira. Dhumma has become badals garvehi. Well done to him. 

Chatang 

I never pointed that remark at sant ji and 84 shaheeds. They are our role models. I would not point at them. 

I agree we should combat lies. It is a matter of judgment to spot the liers. Usually it is easy because liers cant remember their own lies. I will give you an example. Giani thakur singh taksali told a story of massaging sant jarnail singh jis head. Then he forgot the story and told it differently. Once he say 'there was 3/4 singhs with me and then he said 'i was totally alone'.

When i say ahead of taksal i mean ahead towards maharaj not science. Missionaries need to make a few changes but taksal has lost the plot altogether.

Jkvlindon,

Guru jis rehat is what taksal is not following any longer. It is wromg to kill gursikhs. It is wromg to stoo gurmat parchar. It is wrong to divide and bring in hinduism into taksal. It is wring to speak like ajnala. It is wromg to speak like dhumma. Taksal needs to cleanse itself and THEN yes maybe there is a chance for it to follow guru jis rehat again.

Chatanga,

Okay but what is our reason? To purify the air? Some old maryada? Mahapurshs used to do it? 

Why should we bring their rituals into our religion and change them? We dont need anything except maharaj. We obv need to do maharajs satkaar but other than that we dont need to waste our time. Are you saying it is okay for me to lets say bring in a christian tradition like christmas and say 'lets change the reason and well do it for our shaheeds? We'll even use a tree? And then in 300 years time people will say 'if you dont believe in the tree you are a missionary?'.  

That is where we disagree again. We need logic. The line thats damaging us is 'our jathebandis old mahapurshs used to say......' i refer to maharajs logic. Maharajs gian. Not science. For example, if lets say we need jyot because the natural light isnt reliable, how can jyot be reliable. The little petty things are not essential it is our heads that need to be right. 

Talhe taksal is now taliban taksal. Not damdami taksal. 

15 minutes ago, chatanga said:

 

This is where Sikhs get attached to people's personalities rather than the Guru. It is a very valid point.

 

 

telling the truth is never nindya but the Professors at Gurmat Gyan College have already made their feelings clear on singing Guru Sahib's Bani and Naam Simran. They ask "if Naam Simran could acheive anything, then why did Darbar Sahib get attacked in 1984?" "What use was Naam Simran then?

 

It isnt forbidden to be influenced by parcharaks. Valid? It is one of the most ridiculous and invalid points. How many times do they say follow the gurus teachings, follow the truth, dont follow babbe, dont go to dead graves, dont do all the rituals, listen to paath, do sehaj paaths yourselves. They say it over and over and over again! Dhadrianwale do not say 'jap my name in the morning infront of my picture' do they? They dont say 'only come to the gurdwara when its my diwan' do they? Why can people not accept their chardikala. Their parchar is solely for panthic purposes. They put the panth before everything. You can ask do a survey. Ask sangat that have listened to dhadrianwale and say 'have diwans made you feel closer to maharaj or further'. Bhindranwale have a huuuuuuge influence on us but it doesnt mean we get further away from maharaj by enjoying their parchar. Does it? If some of us do believe we are more attached to the person than to maharaj then that is our area of improvement, not their weakness. 

No jathebandi is perfect. I do not believe nam simran could prevent 84. Sant jis shaheedi was pre written. That is like saying why did sahibzade become shaheed. It is maharaj di moaj. However yes simran alone can not do anything. It is just as important to stand by the truth and speak against wrong doings as it is to japp naam. A mala alone will do nothing for us. Gurbani teaches us to have a certain lifestyle and to bring certain qualities such as high spirits and himmat to stand by the truth. What is the point in japping naam or gurbani when if something is wrong we put our thumbs on our ears and hands on our eyes and say 'oh i am going to sit in my bhora sahib and do simran and work on my inner self because it is nothing to do with me i prefer to be neutral'. That would make us no different to hindus. Speaking truth and doing simran is what the panth needs. That is what i strive. Missionaries and akj way ahead of taksal now. It is like the tortoise and the hare. 

3 hours ago, Akalifauj said:

All that huffing and puffing and now the  above illogical response.  Shows you have not read Gurbani.  Bhagat Kabir ji is not immature.  You liberal extremist are intolerant.

If you have anything relevant to say i will respond else i am not wasting my time talking about why clothes are a ritual for u. Call me extreme if this is extreme. Bhagat kabir ji is not on this forum i was talking to u. One message you judge how much gurbani i read. 

1 hour ago, Akalifauj said:

What morals and logic do you have to follow the Hindu ritual to wear clothing?  You are a dead shell and dead from the inside.  

Huh? Haha immature

2 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

Hindus wear clothing.  Its a Hindu practice to wear clothing.  Therefore you must not wear clothing because you don't follow rituals.    

 

Certian things must have reason there has to be morals and logic. There is no logic/reason in being naked.... but if you wish i mean go ahead some hindus dont wear clothes and live in the caves. 

Give me a reason to burn butter and do chatka? Twisted maryada and excuses. Brahamanvaad. It is simple though. Peoples views and opinions are part of them they create you its almost their identity so of course we cant influence that or deepen knowledge and rise above jathebandis if they arent willing to help themselves. 

We blame missionaries, even non missionaries are confused. 

@muscleman 

Yes agreed. It is all about sharda. Even doing matha tek becomes a ritual else. Over the years hinduism has influenced our biggest jathebandis bigtime and we need to break free from the customs/traditions and follow ONLY maharaj. 

Just now, muscleman said:

Yes, exactly!! To this day I have not been able to understand what they mean by this term. Missionaries were usually connected with Christianity so why are they labellling sikhs as 'Missionaries' i haven't a clue. The guy is talking sense in the videos isn't he?

Yes here he is. i didnt listen properly i skipped through the videos but found nothing wrong. I understand why he sometimes is a little controversial but we should look beyond that. Stereotypically missionaries have 'extreme' views according to taksalis. For example missionaries generally believe that jyot and dhoof are insignificant if there is no sharda etc. And this hurts taksal fans because they follow these hindu rituals with the heart and soul.

What is wrong with being missionary? The dont approve killing humans and/or animals. Surely to rank jathebandis missionaries aren't the worst.

Guest Daas,

A chardikala gursikh would not change his mind? Sant kartar singh ji interpreted gurbani in more than 3 ways. Sometimes they would do 3 different arth for the same pangti. Its called progressing or evolving rather than changing. For argument sake even if we say changing then it is a good skill to have to learn. We are sikhs. A gursikh is allowed to progress and learn. Sikhs will always be learners. Some learn more than others. Moreover, even Sant Bhindranwale brought changes into santhiya. Compare two recordings one of Sant Kartar Singh ji and Sant Jarnail singh. It does not mean they are weak or wobbly, it means they have found a more logical and understanding way on their avastha. It is like when we see the picture of Guru Nanak Dev Ji, we see a parshada with blood and milk. Chardikala gursikhs see the metaphorical meaning portrayed through the colours and idea of the painter. Saying this, a nindak or taksali will be sharp to say 'do you not believe guru ji were capable to have blood and milk spilling out of a roti!? Are you trying to break sharda? Are you rss?. No of course not and yes we believe they are capable of it but the point is that there is more than one way of seeing a historic event or arth of gurbani or moral if a sakhi. Just because two Taksaal mahapurshs pronounced gurbani a bit differently it is not down to us to judge and say which one is right. Maybe they both are. Similarly Dhadrianwale grasp nee concepts some of which may not tie in with Taksaal however it does not mean they are wrong or weak. No body has ever made everyone happy. Bhindranwale had so much opposition they were shot. Dhadrianwale have so much opposition they are targeted. It is noy about taking sides anymore it is about saving innocent lives and letting parchar grow. Dhadrianwale are a Gurmat Parcharak.

Why did they attack? To kill. Taksal cannot bare the fact that a young nonTaksali has more respect and is doing better independently on a parchar level than all the Taksalis put together. They wanted what Dhadrianwale have. Some believe scaring people gives you respect. Bhindranwale did not have to scare with guns or by swearing. 

Singh unit,

A child can be a sant. But lets ask who is it that makes them a sant. Who gives that title? Only a sant can recognise a sant. Brahmgiani ki gat brahmgian jane. We call bhindranwale sant because that is how we were introduced. Obviously I am not questioning that in any way. Makes me think though, how comes Baba Deep Singh ji arent Sant Baba Deep Singh. Makes me wonder. They are no less than a sant. Also, how come some Sants have 108 brahmgianis and maharaj infront of their name. Are they named that from above? Or sangat preference. 

I will save you some time. 

On 7/29/2017 at 10:02 AM, Destruction said:

Dhabi

He is nothing but a nindak, he did a speech about anti chatka and anti sukha, yet he has the balls to wear a soor dandh ? Pathetic typical Sikh. Didn't someone say that when his car got shot and a Singh I front of him died "tuttti pesharab nikalgayi si". People only take Amrit because of him, they don't take it for guru sahib or to better themselves . Cult leader!!!!

Ooo I sense anger. You are nothing but a computer warrior. Nindak? Is telling the truth nindiya? How can you refer to singing gurujis bachan and praising maharaj nindiya? Waheguru waheguru. 

Chatka is wrong. It is just an excuse for people to eat meat and call it religious. Silly. 

Yes that was Ajnala. He spoke like that in gurus jis hajoori. And he has apologised for saying it because he knows he is wrong. That story was made up to degrade dhadrianwale. 

Dont know what people you talk to but you have no hard evidence or even logic going on there. Anybody takes it from whoever they want but the reason is maharaj. Yes they can be influenced. For example someone may be influenced by Taksal therefore go to Mehta to have Amrit. Does not mean they are only taking it because of Sant Jarnail Singh. 

Cult leader? So baba deep singh is a cult leader? So bhai randhir singh ji are a cult leader? Baba thakur singh a cult leader? Dhadrianwale do not even call the jatha a jathebandi it is simply a parcharak jatha which you would knkw if you listened to any diwan properly or spent some time with them as oppose to spreading koora on the internet! If you think starting parchar and being the main parcharak of that jatha makes it into a cult then you definitely neef to go and eat a dictionary. Then again you also may be biased and a dhumma chela. Who knows. 

Savage people.