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I've heard dalia has always been consumed a lot in ancient Punjab, even back to the times of the Indus Valley. I think it's called bulghur wheat in English.

1 hour ago, Preeet said:

& your emphasis is fairly respectable right? The vedas were most likely distributed in Punjab region, but they came from Sri Brahma Devta ji. A jaat is a group of people, likewise a tribe/status. Can you give me a reference please, where it says Dasyus were enemies? Dasyus literally mean servant of whomever. When Sri Vishnu Devta ji is a Vedic god, his hukam is always Vedic. 

My emphasis? You mean Krishna's emphasis on caste?

Jaat stems from "ajaat", meaning casteless, someone who the Brahmins removed from the caste system due to them not abiding by Hindu practices. Now that same Jaat tribe has become a caste in Sikhism, where it serves the role of a "Brahmin" dictating who can step into a Gurudwara and who cannot. They yield themselves as the saviors, upholders of Sikhism, which is plainly laughable.

The dasyu were enemies, the Aryan obliterated them: http://vedic-age.blogspot.com/2009/11/conflicts-of-aryans.html

Vishnu is what? Nothing but a minor quality of a limitless God, Akal Purakh, who the Hindus have personified into a demigod.

God is the creator of all. “He created air, water, fire, Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva” (Guru Granth Sahib, 504).

“He created Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva, who act according to His Will” (Guru Granth Sahib, 948).

Not sure why you are emphasizing his minor attribute. This is the problem with Hindus, they see through parts, they lack the mental strength to see the whole. Let's not err like them as Sikhs.

1 hour ago, Preeet said:

His emphasis blah blah blah. You know that most of us all have different interpretations of the gita ji or even sri gurbani ji according to our own avastha? So does the veda ji say theres no caste system? Or do they say simply not mention caste? Honestly speaking, I dont believe in the caste system either, but tribes are real. Remember that Sri Vishnu ji IS a vedic god, he is part of their trinity, he IS of importance to them now, HIS hukam is VEDIC hukam. 

You just called my interpretation "blah blah blah", yet go on to telling me to respect other's views, now that's laughable. I don't know how naive does one have to be to not be able to see that the caste system arose out of racial tension in India. The Vedas were written in Punjab, a purely Indo-Aryan society. When scholarship moved eastwards to Uttar Pradesh, after the fall of the Kuru Kingdom, the Mahabharata and the encompassed Gita was written with new rules drawn to counter the spread of Buddhism such as the incorporation of reincarnation and impose segregation among the racially different people. 

Being respectful is one thing, being ignorant is another. 

A tribe is very different from caste. Not sure why you are equating the two.

And no there's no mention of caste in Rig Veda, because there was no division among the people. Everyone was equal. The only common enemy was the Dasyu, the idol worshippers, which is also another act your beloved Krishna advocates in the Gita going against the Veda, therefore going against the Hindu claim of having an "eternal way".

1 hour ago, jkvlondon said:

like we had jathe, misls etc that was an army division of labour with jathedars, misl leaders and joint decisions made by gurmatta. No one jathe was left to suffer alone the others would send help e.g. when SIngh were under attack from Nizam in Nanded jathe came from Punjab to bolster defences and drive back attacks . Same way we cannot leave a single Singh Kaur behind but support them at family, street, village and tehsil levels under a similar idea . All Gurdwarey should be universal with the removal of additional birs from other smaller gurdwarey to main one , using the smaller buildings as learning/training/medical (rehab)centres for village's people so free education is  a given for everyone , especially learning numeracy, literacy , GUrbani and santhiya/kirtan.

As we have seen isolated pockets of sikhs are vulnerable to attack , we should be alert and ready to help in any way we can ...

Ah yes. Thank you for explaining. I agree this is a system that we need to bring back in a civil way. 

I know you said no Apple, but I think you should really give them a second thought. I purchased a MacBook Pro in 2012 and it's still going strong, and the free yearly update of macOS secures your computer more so than any Windows machine, not to mention the issues Windows has with privacy. 

Shouldn't this be in the Lifestyle section?

3 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

Selfish is the wrong word it is  streetwise/smart and strategic. Need to extend the military approach and think in units : leaving no one behind

Could you elaborate on what you mean?

8 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

that's silly they are not white eurasians  any way you cut it . I believe that original tribes of hindu laity came from middle east because religious beliefs are similar to ancient sumera ,talk of alien aircraft , deities with superpowers

The original tribes of Hindus were Indo-European, and we (Punjabis) were a part of that group. Middle Eastern beliefs stem from the Fertile Crescent, however Dravidian are believed to have come from the Middle East and therefore present-day Hinduism is a mixture of Indo-European beliefs and Dravidian practices (idol worship being the notable one).

On 6/7/2018 at 10:59 PM, Preeet said:

There is no superiority, but the Khatri kuls of our Sri Guru Sahib jis is the highest!!!! Ranks dont even matter, like someone says, there might be caste, but the hierarchy system is wrong. Personally speaking, I can see diffs in the faces of people from my caste, and aroras.. I think Jats are scythian. 

I disagree that Khatris are "the highest" kul, unless you meant that in jest.

And the differences that you see in people's faces is superficial. In fact, that's what I'm trying to prove through genetics. A Khatri and a Jatt are genetically the same.

Jatts are as Scythian as a Khatri or a Tarkhan - the genetic results are the same. Refer to the document I posted that shows you the breakdowns of multiple Sikh people.

8 hours ago, Singh559 said:

We have to be selfish and build up. Who cares about other communities, they're all selfish as well.

This. I cannot agree more with this. I've even echoed similar sentiments on here multiple times. 

We have been doing the opposite of this in naivety, and have as a result suffered. I can understand our doctrine encourages seva, but you can only provide seva until your foundation is strong. If your home is a mess and is not functioning, how are you supposed to go help others. We need to strengthen our own community by ourselves, but unfortunately our people think that helping others hundred of miles away from Punjab is considered seva, and not helping our own. 

12 hours ago, Preeet said:

But Punjabi Sikhs are a mixture of different caste communities?? So obviously thered be similarities between those caste genetics? Unless you want them to mention their gotra and caste?

I'm confused. Isn't gotra and caste the same thing?

All I'm saying is that certain castes like to claim superiority over other castes because they believe they are superior due to their lineage. I've heard certain tribe/caste members say that their tribe were from so and so, invaders from here and there, descended from him or her. And so by showing all Sikh Punjabi caste communities their genetic tests, they'll come to realize that they're the same people genetically and are not different at all, therefore they may think that the farmer, or merchant or carpenter caste individual is below them, but really they aren't in any way.

In fact, I'd also like to mention that Punjabis, Haryanvis, Himachlis, Sindhis, Rajasthanis and even Kashmiris are genetically the same people divided needlessly on language and now religion. We as Sikhs should unite these tribes under Sikhi.

3 hours ago, Preeet said:

Sikh Punjabi? Why not just say Punjabis in general lol, religion isnt a genetic. 

Because we're specifically trying to eradicate caste within Sikh Punjabis. 

Get Sikh Punjabi's to partake in a genetic test or become more aware about them. And I can guarantee, having already seen the results of Jatts, Khatris, Rajputs, Tarkhans, that there is no little to no difference. This will erase any doubts about genetic or familial superiority when they realize they're the same blood and people. And as for the Dalit populations, well they are the original inhabitants of Punjab, and therefore we all have a substantial amount of Dalit "in all of us" as evidenced by the "South Indian" and "Baloch" component we share with them, so there is that. Anyways, I don't think genetic tests should warrant how we treat someone or not, but it helps in bringing us closer through logic.

Here's some results for those who are interested:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mTH_BnLv9riKKwHeNpjFmu7flT6_ekTuYij0juxnjb4/edit#gid=1369294505

To break it down, I'll explain the major components:

South Indian - pretty obvious (this is found in Dalits/Chamaars in heavy percentages - approx. 60%).

Baloch - this is not named after the Balochi people, however a Gedrosian component that came to South Asia from Iran during the Indus Valley, it's also referred to as Iranian Neolithic Farmer.

Caucasian - this is from the Caucasus, believed to have been passed on to us from the Aryans.

NE Euro - this is not from the British, but has also been passed on to us from the Aryans who mixed with populations living in the Eurasian steppes.

1 hour ago, genie said:

He is In nark, God willing, suffering untold misery.

or probably a reborn on earth as dung beetle/worm or a pig slaughtered and reborn again and again to be slaughtered again and again to pay off the karmic debts.

This is interesting. Being someone who has been a proponent of Darwin's evolution theory, what then would have the been the best way to attain salvation before humans evolved? Would it then be the common ancestor that we share with apes, and what about when we were just bacteria?

Or does that theory not fit with our religious system.

Interestingly close to June 3.

1 hour ago, BhForce said:

First of all, where in the world does this question come from? 

Second, it is really strange how you say that you could "create a name for God, similar to an idol". How is a word similar to an idol?? 

You see no difference between worship of a shabad and worship of a stone? Really?

Third, you do realize that there's a specific name for God that is used in worship among the Sikhs, right? Panj Piyare tell you what that shabad is when you receive Amrit.

I guess you must not have received amrit because you seem to be confused as to what word the Sikhs worship.

The question stems from a treatise on idolatry I was reading.

The reason behind why idolatry is viewed as wrong in certain religions, such as ours, is because attributing false characteristics not revealed by God himself (itself) leads to disrespect and the creation of a false God. The same can be applied for a name. You can attribute a name to God that is not really representative of God. A name serves a similar purpose to an idol in this way. Both are manifestations, one verbal and the other physical. To elaborate, a name that connotes a meaning not meant for God such as "servant" or "tyrant" would be viewed as degrading and not true to God's nature as revealed in the Guru Granth Sahib.

Now, no logical, serious and sane person would address God in such a disrespectful way, and I am fully aware what name(s) Sikhs use to address God during Amrit Sanchar, but there have been instances where I've heard our people say you can address God with any name. I find that misleading and contradicting and want to know if it's justified by our scriptures or not.

Not sure why you had to be so snarky in answering. And no I haven't taken Amrit, though I have watched many videos of people taking it, and therefore know what goes on during the ceremony. 

Because if we are allowed to use any name for God, then that refutes the whole argument for not worshiping idols. I could create a name for God, similar to an idol, and begin doing my worship according to that. There would be no difference in that and what idolaters do. 

Or are we only allowed to use the names in the Guru Granth Sahib?