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On 8/10/2017 at 6:43 PM, Singhballer said:
I read the following passage in another thread. Instead of going off topic on the original thread, I have created this new one.
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I disagree that Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma has achieved many things by siding with Parkash Badal and his Dal.
What has Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma accomplished in the affairs of the SGPC, Punjab's Government, or Sikh sovereignty since he's headed Dam Dami Taksal Mehta, headed the Sant Samaj, and nurtured such a warm relationship with the Badal family and the Shiromani Akali Dal (Badal) at large?
I see a few things that may be seen as accomplishments by Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma
- The 1984 memorial complex being created
- The removal of the Nanakshahi calendar
- Getting approval for Taksal's kathavachaks to do parchar from Manji Sahib
- A "Martyr's Gallery" at the 1984 memorial
On a panthic level, can any of the above be termed as any significant achievement or contribution for our nation by a person who heads one of the oldest Sikh schools, an organization of Sants/Vidhvaans, and has relations with influential political leaders? They can not; these are paltry victories in the face of immense issues of our community.
The biggest issues of the Panth (including but not limited to):
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The decline of Sikhi in Punjab
- Due to things like: Proliferation of drugs, lack of parchaar and spiritual sustenance, government suppression of Sikh movements
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Lack of justice and healing from 1984 and following genocide
- Tens of thousands Sikhs killed, tortured, detained, made political prisoners, and continued mass impunity for perpetrators
- Corruption at the Akal Thakht, SGPC, and Sikh institutions
Focussing on the SGPC, has Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma done much of anything to elicit worthwhile change in all the shortcomings, mismanagement, corruption, and overall foolishness of the SGPC?
In the video below Jathedar Ranjit Singh outlines many of the ways the Badal family has usurped the Sikhs' sovereign power and misused the Panth's power and wealth for their own benefit. He also talks about many actions of the SGPC that are blatantly corrupt.
The Badals more or less ordered the SGPC to hand over the rights to relaying Gurbani from Harmandir Sahib from ETC Punjabi to PTC Punjabi at no charge. While the SGPC was to receive payment from ETC for the deal, the SGPC has received no compensation from the Badal family for the over 1100 Crore Rupees that PTC Punjabi owes as of 2013!
Time and time again Baldev Singh Sirsa and Jathedar Ranjit Singh expose scams executed by SGPC officials to enrich themselves at the expense of the Sikh nation's funding.
Property Scam - https://www.sikh24.com/2017/05/12/baldev-singh-sirsa-exposes-property-scam-in-sgpc-during-avtar-makkars-tenure/#.WYzaf_krKHs
Property Scam - http://indianexpress.com/article/india/sgpc-chief-to-probe-land-deal-during-avtar-singh-makkars-tenure4789971/
Recruitment Scam - http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/recruitment-scam-in-sgpcrun-guru-granth-sahib-world-un
Badal seeking favours from Gurdwara Judicial Panel - http://www.tribuneindia.com/2002/20020522/main6.htm
You will notice the SGPC always constituting its own "committees" of its own men to investigate. Does anyone think that will ever lead to a credible investigation where the truth and justice is of utmost importance? Nope. When a judicial panel tells the SGPC to have a private firm do an audit, the SGPC just ignores it. Complete disregard. - http://sikhsangat.org/2009/sikh-gurdwara-judicial-panel-slaps-contempt-notice-on-sgpc/
From the 7:00 mark Jathedar Ranjit Singh goes through the misdeeds of the Badal family and the SGPC.
In relation to "2. Lack of Justice and Healing from 1984 and following genocide, What has Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma done with his influence on the Badal family and SGPC in that area?
- Thousands of Punjab police officers involved in our genocide have roamed with impunity. Badal Dal, while promising over many elections, particularly in the 1990s to punish all the guilty has done the complete opposite. They have sheltered, protected, rewarded, and saluted those same officers, and not just the big boys like Sumedh Saini, Izhar Alam, etc.. Did Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma do anything to use his political influence on the Badals to have impartial investigations, charges, and eventual punish meted down for the guilty?
- Some may know that the Shiromani Akali Dal used to have a "Shiromani Akali Dal Human Right Wing"; Jaswant Singh Khalra was the General Secretary of it. Why do you think that wing has gone into oblivion? Khalra and others working in that wing investigated and uncovered the crimes of the government. The Badals don't want such crimes to see the light of day and have as such instituted policy not to support human right endeavours in the political party of the Sikhs or the SGPC. Has Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma done anything to get the SGPC or Akali Dal to mobilise their resources toward hiring investigators, former police officers, former judges, or lawyers to research, investigate, and expose to the world, and begin legal proceedings for all those crimes that were committed against the Sikhs?
- Jathedar Gurdev Singh Kaunke was tortured and murdered by Jagraon Police. A report was conducted by the Punjab government but was never released. Badal promised to release it if it came into power. He never did. What has Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma done to get that report released? Especially since this particul victim was of such high regard from Dam Dami Taksal.
In relation to "3. Corruption at the Akal Thakht, SGPC, and Sikh institutions"
- The Akal Thakht and SGPC has been controlled by the political overlords, whether it was Tohra or Talwandi exerting their influence, or the Badals in the modern day. The "leaders" of our nation in the form of Thakht Jathedars are chosen by the Badals to be "yes men", support the status-quo, and be wielded for political gain. The SGPC president is chosen in this exact way too. What has Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma done to change these political interferences and institute a system by with the nation chooses its leaders? What actions has he taken to ensure leadership at these levels works for the betterment of the community instead of the political betterment of the Badal family?
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While everyone makes much fuss over the Indian government destroying and stealing our priceless historical artifacts in 1984, the destruction that the SGPC has either directly or indirectly caused to our heritage is spectacular. Dozens if not hundreds of buildings razed or allowed to crumble. The possessions and artifacts of our Guru's and prominent Sikhs decay and turn to dust; this is living history going to waste forever to be inaccessible to our future generations.
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The SGPC has been aware of all this but this is not a priority for them. I'm sure Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma knows of this too. What has he done to mobilise SGPC resources towards the preservation of our history? I find it ironic that such a learned individual will do katha of and teach katha of Suraj Parkash or Panth Parkash, but that actual history he narrates he doesn't seem to be too bothered about protecting.
- Uncovered during the Badal's construction of the horrendous plaza outside Harmandir Sahib - https://www.sikh24.com/2013/12/02/sgpc-set-to-destroy-more-sikh-heritage/#.WYzdNvkrKHs
- Mansion of Mangal Singh Ramgarhia near Harmandir Sahib demolished. SGPC knew and did nothing. http://news.ukpha.org/2013/09/mansion-of-sikh-general-mangal-singh-ramgharia-razed-to-the-ground/
- Relics of the Guru's decaying - http://news.ukpha.org/2013/02/priceless-possessions-left-to-decay-in-neglected-forts-among-them-relics-of-guru-gobind-singh/
- Relics of Guru Arjan Dev Ji decaying going to waste - http://news.ukpha.org/2013/02/as-bilgas-treasure-decays-villagers-seek-outside-help/
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The SGPC has been aware of all this but this is not a priority for them. I'm sure Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma knows of this too. What has he done to mobilise SGPC resources towards the preservation of our history? I find it ironic that such a learned individual will do katha of and teach katha of Suraj Parkash or Panth Parkash, but that actual history he narrates he doesn't seem to be too bothered about protecting.
Finally, while he has been President of the Sant Samaj for a great length of time, the other Vidhvaans of the organization have become disillusioned with his leadership or lack-there-of. Mahapurakhs like Baba Lakhbir Singh Ratwara Sahib, Baba Hari Singh Randhawe wale, Baba Amir Singh Jawaddi Taksal wale, Baba Seva Singh Rampur Khere wale all have left or distanced themselves from the Sant Samaj due to its wayward leadership and direction. - https://sikhsiyasat.net/2017/02/03/93-sant-samaj-leaders-part-ways-baba-harnam-singh-dhumma/
Many of the occurrences and facts I have presented above are not caused or created by Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma. However, in being the leader of Dami Dami Taksal and the Sant Samaj, and having such warm and close relations with the Badal family, the SGPC, and Shiromani Akali Dal (Badal), he has achieved very little in rectifying or ameliorating any of those issues in any meaningful way. It is treachery and deception with the Panth for Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma to have aligned, supported, and collaborated with the Badal family and the Shiromani Akali Dal (Badal); and to think, I haven't even mentioned Badal's and the Shiromani Akali Dal's collusion and cooperation in the June 1984 attack and subsequent smothering of the resistance movement.
Have other leaders in the Panth also joined and supported the Badal family? Yes. But, no dharmic leader has been closer or supported the Badals with more zeal than Baba Harnam Singh Dumma. What triumph has he produced from that support?
Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma may well have done a lot of things over his lifetime, however, the high position and influence he has been given have gone to waste. He does not seem to to have the wit, vision, strategic acumen, or transparency that Sikhs require from a person in such a position.
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If there are any mistakes or criticisms of the above analysis please voice them!
Ok let's consider for a moment he is a great guy, and that he's playing badal as well; during badals rule, when sections of darbar sahib were stolen, no sorry under "repairs", why did the antarjami ? let it happen? Also why did your baba side with a drug dealer, I don't see one instance in history where guru sahib sided with an oppressive regime to achieve "meaningful achievements"
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Why are they attaching 7-11 to sikhs? This isn't really helping our case..
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5 hours ago, ipledgeblue said:
Also we argue over doing Dasam Granth parkash yet we allow playing of harmonium inside gurdwaras on the same level as Adi Guru Granth Sahib? The same instrument which Akali Phoola Singh didn't allow in Harimandir sahib and said that it is "kanjaraa da gham"?
Seriously, having Dasam Granth prakash is way more respectful than the disrespect of using harmonium on same level as Adi Guru Granth Sahib. At least those that are not for prakash should promote raag instruments, why no taos/dilruba/saranga/rabab being played on Guru's darbar, which are Guru hukam anyway?
First of all, why are you bringing in instruments? Secondly, vajay Da Ki kasoor aa? I understand that many want Tanti-Saj Sangeet but any musician will tell you that no instrument is worth the insult "kanjra Da kham"... I doubt akali phoola singh has said that, I need proof.
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11 hours ago, Guest Nihang Dal said:
nothing wrong with Nihang Singhs reading it for the Bir Rass
Triya charitar has bir rass? I was taught its only for Gyan.
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Dont try homeopathy lol, leave it to the professionals.
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1 hour ago, Sukhtalk said:
Or alternatively message me on this feed. I cannot promise quick replies as I'm new to this forum and reply only when I can visit the site.
Why are you communist bro? Do you really think a communist view represents sikhi?
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What was gurjants character like, was he a gurmukh?
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As far as I've heard, sri sarbloh granth was written by dusht Daman. But I may, and probably am, incorrect.
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lol I'm really confused now, can I at least know if nihungs and the singh sabha movement had a rivalry/ didn't get along with each other.
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1 hour ago, Bundha said:
£650 for akand path.
How much would it cost it you did it at home ?
Electricity on all night for three days,
Gas for cooking all three days,
what about langar for all the people you invite ?
Tea and samosay?
What about payment for the giani/pathi? Are they not allowed money to put food on the table for their families?
It all adds up and probably more then £650.
Agreed, but the comitee should make it clear that you're not paying for gurbani, but the bills instead
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9 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:
Singh Sahba Movement, when Akal Takht was temporarily owned by Nihangs from an excommunicated branch among them.
Wait, singh sahba did this??
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On 6/5/2016 at 5:21 PM, Jacfsing2 said:On 6/5/2016 at 4:53 PM, 13Mirch said:
Either your information vis-a-vis the spearing of the Dasam Granth is wrong or either you are trying to state one thing but it's coming across as another due to incoherent writing. The culprit was Kartar Singh Jhabbar, who was staunchly opposed the Nihungs, a top brass of the S.G.P.C/ Akali commune. Gatka is only a drill, Shastar-Vidya (as taught by the Hazoori Singhs) is the real deal and not Nidar's little dance moves.
We have to start somewhere, (which is why I said Gatka, many Sikhs don't do that at the least), also it is a fact that someone did spear a Dasam Granth Saroop, (are we really going to argue if it happened or not?)
I feel that mma is more useful then gatka, also where/when did this beadbi happen?
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12 hours ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:
Your right.. I was being flippant and cynical so satire felt like the best way forward
Why were you feeling that way?
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1 hour ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:
Go for it there's a huge market for celebrity parchaar
What's your problem bro? You seem salty..
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17 hours ago, superkaur said:
I was watching some videos on youtube the other day and came across this old hindu guy called Rajiv Malhotra he seems to be influencing the younger Indian generation towards hindu nationalism. Evil Sakshi Bhardwaj the anti-sikh infamous hindu extremist who recently made highly offensive videos against Sikhs and Sikhi is a follower and admirer of this guy.
https://twitter.com/RajivMessage/status/5808820218718
I wish sikhs in the east could see through the governments lies and propaganda, it's pathetic to watch them make these statements, and it feels even more pathetic when apnay actually believe this.
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Excellent post! Thanks for sharing!
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9 hours ago, simran345 said:
No it's another website.
Ah ok, I've never heard of satnam.info.. is run by yogi bhajan's cult?
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On 9/29/2010 at 9:59 AM, Guest ontheotherside said:
She has been in contact with people on the Satnam Info website
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Do you mean simran.info ji?
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Well, if you live in the west, there is probably a chance you've used alcohol related products to clean. Since we aren't using these products to get drunk, I don't see why we would have to retake Amrit. Guru sahib said "jith pethay matt door hoye" peethay being of course ingestting it. And loosing "maat" is the real reason we avoid it anyways ji.
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For one wake up to gurbani, it's too early to be listening to loud music lol..
Secondly daas personally uses Sleepyti.me (for finding a sleep schedule), then find a solid time that allows you to get in 6 solid sleep cycles, sleep at that time. Now this one is hard for many, make it permanent. Say you want to wake at 2am and the website says to sleep at 7:30pm, sleep and rise on those times every single day (weekend or weekday).
As for pushing yourself to get out of bed, first and foremost get awake and do a jakara at the top of your lungs, if you live alone, if not go outside and run until you sweat (you can question my methods, but not my results; so trust me). Another thing cut out junk in your diet (try to eat clean, so you won't feel lethargic). Working out hard will also help.
Some more tips
-As soon as your done with your run (or jakara) make your bed; this will instill some discipline and give you a sense of accomplishment, plus you'll be less likely to jump in if you know that you just fixed it.
-Before you go to sleep, don't use your phone for 1 hour
-Throw your blanket or rajaee off and jump out of bed
-Make getting out of bed fun, this one is up to you.. but daas starts busting out push-ups when I rise
NOTE: even if you get late for one night, still wake up at 2 no matter what; also when I said make your bed I mean bedsheets and all, not just covers.
These were just my tips you don't have to use them, but you are more then welcome to try it..