ChardikalaUK

Punjab is important but it shouldn't be the be all end all.

How many Muslims throughout the world know Arabic? Or Catholics know Latin and Italian? Buddhists who know Pali?

17 hours ago, Tamansingh123 said:

Because all of them had loads and loads of rulers. We just had 1 ranjit singh. 

 

Yes, which is quite pathetic on our behalf.

Do the Italians go on about Julius Caesar, the French about William The Conqueror, the Muslims about Aurangzeb anywhere near the amount as we do about Maharaja Ranjit Singh?

4 hours ago, Kaurr said:

Definetly, that's how they became kings and queens in the first place.

He was a drunk and serial fornicator.

8 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Well done. That's inspirational!

 

What stuff did your dad help with specifically? Indians seem naturally gifted with maths (though not all can teach it). How did you do with English and Science? 

He was really good at Maths, Physics and Chemistry. He was able to help me all the way up to GCSE level. In fact I ended up taking those three subjects for my A Levels.

I will definitely put in the same effort with my son.

4 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Did you have a tutor? 

No but my father was a teacher in India, so he was able to help a lot.

I remember we bought pretty much every practice test pack available in WH Smith and I must have gone through them several times.

11 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

I am quite aware of Barkha Dutt. 

She is hated by Hindus and seen as Anti-Indian. She is very sympathetic to Kashmiri Muslim causes and was said to give away Indian positions during the Kargil War. Her political stance has always been more Pro Pakistan.

They (Hindus) call her a presstitute.

She has the gall to call Bindrawale a terrorist whilst mixing and mingling with Pakistani supporters of separation of her beloved India and that includes Islamic terrorists. 

The liberal Urban elite Hindu is very different from the average Hindu. The average Hindu hates these "liberal" types. 

This particular type of McCauliyite Hindu allowed the British Raj to happen, were the dhimmis that worked in the Mughal administration and were the Jai Chand types that sided with Ghori over Pritviraj Chauhan. They in their post-partition avatar are representative to globalist interests. 

Might I also add, we need to cool, calm, rational Sikhs like Deep Sidhu. I think that we have a reputation of being hot headed but Barkha like a lot of these "liberal" types had no real answer to what he said.

It is very easy to push their buttons.

She is the Congress version of Arnab Goswami and very pro Muslim.

If anyone asks you to say Bhindranwale was a terrorist ask them to first say Indira Gandhi was a terrorist.

4 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

I did not realise that the shipping kids into those schools went that far back, but it is probably even greater now. 

However, a lot of kids struggle in Grammar School that they have to take external tuition. 

Tuition is very lucrative. 

There is a whole industry behind this. 

But I guess the thing that Grammar schools have over a lot of secondary schools (other than academics ) is there is some level of discipline. 

It is the discipline in classes that helps the students and teachers focus on education rather than being distracted by unruly pupils. 

Secondary schools seem to have a discipline problem because they are full off unruly pupils. I know this very simplistic but I once was listening to one of the school inspectors on radio and it was one of things he mentioned. 

What is very interesting about having Sikh Secondary school for many of our people is that provides an opportunity for another viable option in their minds other than Grammar Schools. 

There have been parents who have been willing to bypass the 11 plus just to get into a more safe secure school if the opportunity arose. 

To be honest hard work is the most important thing. There were some people who I used to wonder how on earth they managed to pass their test at all and a lot of them would have done no preparation either.

The goreh did will until Year 9 or so but after that they got into the typical habits that working class kids were known for. Their parents did not push them into further education, not a single one of them stayed on for A Levels.

In a town that has grammar schools, the other schools tend to have students who are not academically minded and that causes their unruly behaviour. There were enough of these idiots in our school, I can imagine it being far worse at the other schools. You even see this in Universities. You don't get chavvy rudeboy wannabes at Redbrick Universities.

12 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

The kids are failing the test us because even back in 1990's you were in competition with kids in your own home town.

Your grammar schools are no longer full of local kids but kids coming far afield like Hounslow, Harrow etc. There is far more competition. 

This is having a two fold effect:

1.) Kids in your home town are being pushed into schools further afield.

2.)Kids in your hometown are being pushed into those less desirable schools so much so that the standards of those less desirable schools are beginning to see improvements. Check the GCSE / A levels in some of those secondary schools. They are higher than the national average. 

What you are also beginning to see is that one over-achieving generation is not going to translate into the next generation because those parents who have gone through the system are quite disillusioned with it all.

Most kids that get into grammar schools are in there because they have been coached to pass and when they get into the grammar school they struggle. It does not hold the same appeal as it used to.

No, even in the 90s there were lots of kids from Southall and Hounslow going to both Langley and Slough Grammar, at Herschel they were importing goreh from outside Slough. If you out the hard-work in your kids will pass, if they are somewhat gifted academically.

18 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

That's very interesting. One would assume those parents would be pushing, in a positive way, their kids to achieve. Perhaps the success of the parents means the kids have been raised in an environment where that hunger to succeed and get out of the ghetto, as it were, just isn't a factor, mostly due to them never wanting for anything, because, let's be honest, apne view education as a conduit for materialism and social climbing rather than anything that enriches the mind solely for the pleasure of the pursuit itself.

That is very true. How many apne become doctors, dentists, IT professionals because they are truly passionate about it? Very few, I think most do it for material gain and for a better standing in society. I'm not saying goreh don't do this but the majority of them who go into professional careers do have a great passion for what they choose to do. This passion then leads them to research and innovation whereas apne just keep the ball rolling.

The heads of Microsoft and Google may be Indian but who actually formed those companies?

1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

Probably 3 people who failed the 11 plus. 

I thought my post contained valuable information. I went to the worst ranked primary school in the whole country. The only reason I passed was due to my parents insistence and perseverance. Learn from this.

I've seen a lot of apne professionals whose kids are failing this test due to them being more lax and softer than their own parents.

22 hours ago, ChardikalaUK said:

Back in the 90s my mum scared me saying if I didn't pass my 12 plus I would go to sul infested Slough and Eton. Even Herschel had its fair share of idiotic suls, I can only imagine how bad Slough and Eton would be.

I passed with flying colours!

The 11 plus/12 plus really isn't that hard. You just have to practice a lot and you will be ok. Primary schools do not prepare you for it.

In the summer holidays before my 12 plus my parents made me do 3 practice papers a day and also one on every school day. Back then we didn't even know which day the tests would be.

I've got 3 downvotes for this comment. Either due to lots of suls on this website or a bunch of duffers.

3 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Slough has the blessing and the curse of having 5 grammar schools.

If you don't get into grammar schools, your options are limited.

I know what school you went to.

 

Back in the 90s my mum scared me saying if I didn't pass my 12 plus I would go to sul infested Slough and Eton. Even Herschel had its fair share of idiotic suls, I can only imagine how bad Slough and Eton would be.

I passed with flying colours!

The 11 plus/12 plus really isn't that hard. You just have to practice a lot and you will be ok. Primary schools do not prepare you for it.

In the summer holidays before my 12 plus my parents made me do 3 practice papers a day and also one on every school day. Back then we didn't even know which day the tests would be.

14 hours ago, Lostandmessedup said:

I say we should burn the england flag and spit on it !!!!

 

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/police-hate-crime-probe-sikh-19343067

Why not leave and go to Punjab?

20 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

We can wait till the Scientists can find evidence to support this view. 

If our modern civilisation was to stop all of a sudden, the majority of the buildings and things that we built would disintegrate and not even exist in a few thousands of years.

Then if another civilisation pops up 10,000 years later and there were myths of giant flying metal birds that carried people from one part of the world to another or magic devices where people used to communicate with each other, a lot of scientists thousands of years from now would say where is the evidence to support that.

 

Yes but they would at least find fossils of our bodies. There is no evidence of modern humans from millions of years ago. We really are a very new species in the grand scheme of life on Earth.

6 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Human Civilisation is older than 12000 years old.

Every ancient civilisation talks of an earlier civilisation before the ice age. There was a flood that took place when the ice melted. 

 

I prefer to believe the scientists. Scientists at least admit when they get things wrong.

6 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Yeah but you have to remember that humans existed in other yugs as well which go 100s of millions of years before the existence of the first modern humans. Though obviously science does not believe in the previous yugs.

I think Satyug was like 400 million years ago?  So humans as well as devte and celestial kings walked the earth all the thoae years ago, dinosaurs fit somewhere in the picture. 

Our souls have been travelling through the yugs I think. 

The scientific evidence clearly doesn't support this. In fact humans have only been farming for 12,000 years. So settlements are only that long. Before that we were just hunter gatherers with no civilisation. Hinduism whixh first mentioned the yugs is only around 6000 years old.

1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

I'd imagine there's a few possible answers someone determined to justify and relish the damnation of others () could proffer:

1. What's stopping such people from searching for their salvation? It might be argued the modern internet age has made available knowledge, philosophies and spiritual paths that were previously hidden from only but the students and enthusiasts of these schools of thought. If someone still chooses to remain in their comfort zone and languishing under ignorance, that's their apathy that's preventing them from seeking out something that is immediately available to them.

2. If we believe in reincarnation and that each subsequent janam is a potential step closer to the ultimate goal of merging with the One, then it's something that's going to happen when it's supposed to, and not any earlier. Usually, I think there's lifetimes of learning, pain, lessons, and experiencing atheism, Christianity, Islam, Rastafarianism, etc., lol, before the soul absorbs the necessary critical information required to reach a particular lifetime that's the so-called special janam where everything comes together. We as Sikhs believe that's Sikhi janam. Who knows how many lifetimes we've laboured under other faiths before arriving at this particular stage? 

There's Sikhs who squander their Sikhi janam while non-Sikhs enter the world as something else and end up finding Sikhi. It's karams IMO.

So Sikhi is the only path to salvation?

There are 7.8 Billion people in the world and Sikhs are just 30 million. So those other 7.77 Billion have to be reincarnated as Sikhs to end the cycle of rebirth? And that is just human lives. If you include animals and insects it is even more.

It would take a ridiculously long time for every person to have the chance to be born a Sikh. In fact the world would probably have ended by that time.

What about prehistoric animals like Dinosaurs that were around hundreds of millions of years before humans, what was happening to their souls? Were they waiting for humans to be created? Modern humans have only been around 200,000 years and ones that are like us just around 30,000.

What happens to the soul of a mentally disabled person born into an Amritdhari family, who has no possibility to understand Sikhi or God? He has waited all of this time to be born into a Sikh family but cannot do anything now because he is disabled.

These are things I often wonder about.

What happens to all of the atheists in Western Europe whose countries we are desperate to immigrate to?

41 minutes ago, Jai Tegang! said:

The thing is I don't think even Sikhs back in the day celebrated/observed/used Diwali for only the historical event of Miri Piri de Malik freeing hill chiefs, I think it just added onto the existing importance of the day of gathering. I think it's more of a recent push to forgo even the mention of the word diwali (I've seen this happen for vaisakhi with some people pushing for only "khalsa sajana divas").

Also, in all fairness, not everyone knows or cares about the origins of certain big celebrations. People want a reason to gather with those whom they have an affinity and catch up. Only now, with more defined boundaries and expectations, we are forced to provide our unique reasons for certain festivals. 

Yes but why not have such gatherings during Guru Nanak's Gurpurab which is a far more significant event.

Buddhists don't celebrate or get together on Diwali.

3 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

it is a sikh historical event which happened around that time of year simple no compensatory backstory .

So why celebrate in a very similar way to the way Hindus celebrate Diwali, with fireworks, lighting candles etc.

And in terms of importance is it up there with Vaisakhi and Guru Nanak's Gurpurab? The celebrations certainly make it look so. 

2 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

If Hindus know why we celebrate why do we have doubts ?

 

The vast majority of Hindus do not know this. I would say over 90% don't know. I reckon around 50% of western Sikhs don't know the reason we celebrate it either.

What I meant in my original post was if Sikhs give too much importance to Diwali/Bandi Chorr Diwas. Is it really a big important event in Sikh history? There are more significant events in my opinion.

It seems that someone just decided to tie in Bandi Chorr Diwas and Diwali together so that we Sikhs didn't feel left out when the Hindus were celebrating.

It's a bit like how the European Christians replaced their pagan winter solstice festival with Christmas. They felt guilty to celebrate their old pre-Christian festival so decided to give it a different meaning that fit their new religion but the dates do not match. 

Thankfully things are better in Punjab. Sikhi really did civilise people. I have seen countless dirty comments and rape threats online from Indians, they have all been from Hindus.

The reasons for India's shocking rape statistics are:

1. Sexual frustration and Indians getting married later in life. Previously people used to get married as teenagers or in their early 20s, nowadays it's late 20s or early 30s.

2. India in general is a very conservative country  which leads to a lot of sexual repression and when Indians see highly sexuallised scenes in Bollywood movies this makes them act out.

3. Law and order is pathetic, in a lot of states the higher caste people can do whatever they please with lower castes and the police won't do anything about it.

4. Women are seen as objects, second class citizens by a lot of the male populace.

I'm sure things are even worse in Pakistan but they probably don't report it as much over there and I've heard in Sharia Law another man has to witness the rape for it to be believable, <banned word filter activated>!