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37 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

We shud be kind and helpful to both Muslims and Hindus.

But our first priority shud be Sikhs and that's where our daswandh shud go.

Look no other religious community tries our girls like muslims do. Just avoid them at all costs.

1 hour ago, puzzled said:

LOL those squat toilets were the stuff of nightmares!  glad that most places now have normal toilets. I'v got older cousins who have been India when they used to go to the fields with a jug LMAO    glad i wasn't born then       they used to go in groups lol 

The guys in Punjab seem to have this strange obsession with females from Chandigarh! people from here who have been Chandigarh told me the females were below average. Apparently they all wear leggings thats enough for men from Punjab to gaga over them! I think because Chandigarh is a planned city, clean and westernized thats why people in Punjab are fascinated by it.  

The ya ya type    My cousin sister went Chandigarh and she said all the females are the ya ya type haha! She told me the same she said most speak Hindi or the ya ya English. 

I used to work with this "Sikh" lady from Chandigarh and she used to say that she isn't from Punjab and that she is from Chandigarh, she was from a Sikh family but spoke Hindi.

Punjabi singers need to stop hyping them up because it looks stupid and it makes the inferior complexity too obvious. 

 

Punjabis need to give up on Chandigarh and focus on getting back the Punjabi speaking areas from Haryana. Do you know Una in Himachal Pradesh is a part of Doaba? it belongs to us. The areas within the Una district that border Punjab are Punjabi speaking areas, they are all mountains but speak Punjabi. Iv been Una a couple of times and they all know how to speak Punjabi in a proper Doabi dialect. Apparently the Doabi dialect has influence from the the neighboring hill areas.  

Yeah imo its the best place in Punjab. yh same my family go those places as well when we go Anandpur Sahib, my thia said its a family tradition and our elders used to say its incomplete if we dont visit those other gurdware. 

Yeah the Buddan Shah place isn't exactly a Sikh place! its a grave and then there are those idols of a lion, goat and other animals! i think peer Buddan Shah owned those animals and they stayed with him!  they are buried there as well i think. Do you think its a made up story? im not sure tbh    Then there are those quranic verses on the walls and pics of mecca etc   then theres that thing with the wood burning, toof with smoke coming out!   we got a painting of peer Buddan Shah and his lion with Guru Nanak!    i'm not sure if this story is in any of the puratan janamsakhis or bhai Santokh Singhs works?  

Yh iv been virasat e khalsa twice  its a nice place,  massive. A lot of modern art, light shows etc showing Sikh history from the time of Guru Nanak Dev ji to modern times. The best things were these wax statues of Maharaja Ranjit Singh and puratan Singhs  they were so realistic!   the place is massive!   its all great and stuff but why not spend the same amount of money on actual Sikh heritage that is crumbling and in ruins?   They create these museums and replicate Sikh heritage when you can just spend the money to save the actual crumbling historical places! 

Did you go down the baoli sahib under the qila? once i came back up i collapsed on the floor LMAO 

Yh Himachal pradesh is really beautiful, those roads high up on the edge of the mountains are damn scary! the drivers drive so fast, iv seen buses driving right on the edge and there are no barriers!  I wanted to stop the driver and walk outside to look down the edge but i was told to shut up lol    iv been to this place called peer nigaha in Una. Its a muslim tomb. Lots of hindu idols and snake worshiping places within the complex, they also had built like a throne there and apparently Guru Nanak Dev ji visited this place! i doubt that! i think a lot of these muslim dargahs are trying to make money and making stories up that Guru Sahibs visited these places and make money from Sikh sangat!  The place was weird! there was this really big black idol of a deity with its tongue sticking out and riding a black dog. his name is Bhairon and apparently alcoholics donate alcohol to him and they get better ....    yh      

Iv been Baba Balak nath in himachal because my family believe in him. i dnt, but they do. That place had 100s of monkeys lol  bouncing all over the place     saw one turning the tap and drinking water from it lol!  

 

Have you seen that big mosque they are building in Nawanshahr? 

 

Yep Chandigarh is not a Punjabi place at all. Let's be honest the current Punjab state was created based on Sikh demographics not on linguistic lines, at that time every Sikh said they spoke Punjabi and every Hindu said they spoke Hindi. If there are Hindu majority areas in Himachal and Haryana that speak Punjabi they will still opt to remain in their existing states. Language comes second to religion when it comes to politics.

We're lucky that we got Hindu majority Pathankot in Punjab. Jalandhar and Ludhiana have a huge Hindu majority over us and most of them also prefer Hindi. You will also see Hindi road signs there and all Hindu owned shops will have Hindi writing outside using Devanagari script. If Sikhism ever ended the Punjabi language would go with it. The language battle is still being fought between Sikhs and Hindus in Punjab.

That Sikh lady from Chandigarh is simply a traitor. People say that Punjabi is not as sophisticated as Hindi and Urdu but I think that is a joke. The Hindi belt of India is the most deprived and backwards area of India so I don't know how the language gets so much prestige. Are you telling me a rickshaw driver in UP is speaking some beautiful language?

French and Italian sound softer than English and German but there's no way the English or German people would give up their language for Italiab and French.

The singers and movies need to stop the obsession with Chandigarh, as you said it just makes us look like idiots. The only people who care about Punjabi language and culture are Sikhs.

Baba Balak Nath has lots of Sikh followers in Punjab. Like I said Sikhs in the west are more orthodox than the ones in Punjab, I had never even heard of Balak Nath until I went to Punjab. I guess beliefs in India are more fluid than here..

A mosque in Nawanshahr? That's sad. The thing I really like about visiting Punjab is the almost total absence of muslims but it looks like this is changing.

5 minutes ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

I have not denied that. I was just saying you can't rule out some game either. Just last years, several sikhs in big cities spent lakhs of rupees in buying kashmiri girls airplane tickets for them to safely go back to kashmir. Such reciprocations of hate for love make me lose faith in sewa towards such people.

 

That's why we need to stop such things immediately. Focus purely on Sikhs. That money could have been used to help poor needy Sikhs.

6 minutes ago, KhoonKaBadlaKhoon2 said:

Well Pakistani economy is growing as well...not as fast as India's, but its made significant progress. Long way to go (for both nations), however. 

There will always be violence there due to Afghanistan. Foreign countries won't invest there as much. They were actually ahead of India in the 1970s and 1980s but went backwards due to General Zia Ul Haq who made it a backwards islamic sharia hellhole.

I don't see them ever having a space program. Remember these are the people who believe that the meteorite in mecca comes from heaven. Even their top scientists think that. They even had a nobel prize winner for physics but they disowned him because he was an Ahmedi. With a mentality like that they will never get anywhere.

8 minutes ago, KhoonKaBadlaKhoon2 said:

Besides economic, what progress is India making? Especially in relation to Sikhs. 

Economy is usually the most important thing for a nation. It's the reason why we're sitting here in the UK and Canada instead of Punjab.

4 minutes ago, puzzled said:

After Gharshankar that road leading to Anandpur Sahib is so bad! the potholes could knock an Elephant over. One of the bumpiest rides iv ever had in my life. Anandpur Sahib being one of the post popular destinations in Punjab it really is surprising how the government does not repair the road. But once your in the city it is soo beautiful, the views are amazing. I can see why Guru Tegh Bahadur ji chose the location to build a city.  Do you see all the monkeys in the way in the mountains lol!  we gave them bread and then all a sudden our can was surrounded by 100s  lmao. Have you been Baba Gurdita Jis Gurdwara near Kesgarh Sahib? really serene as well   its higher up in the mountains.

Yh i really do not like how Amritsar has become a tourist destination. I get that its good for the cities businesses and stuff but at the same time it is our holy city. Last few years iv been going there  Amritsar is full of Indian tourists from other parts of India, there everywhere! taking selfies.

I don't like what they have done to Jallianwala bagh, its a memorial and should be treated like one, instead they have made it into a public garden with people taking selfies and having picnics!  what the hell is that about.

Iv been Wagha border, really didn't get the fuss!  was sh1t. I think Indians from other parts of the country would probably like it more.

If you go again go Machiwara, really nice peaceful Gurdwara. The Khoo Guru Sahib drank water from is still there and also the tree where he tied his horse and wrote the shabd "mitr pyare nu" is still there. Under the tree they have a radio and the shabd plays 24/7. A lot of Nihung Singhs there as well. 

Iv been a few places in India, but iv had those years where we go and just in the pind for the entire month! lol

I'v never been Chandigarh, some say its nice some say theres nothing special. Nothing about it makes me want to visit it though ...

Iv been Delhi, Himachal Pardesh and Hazur Sahib. 1st time we went Hazur Sahib it was in a car lol!  was really fun though.

But i would like to travel all of India, North to South. i want to go Rajasthan as well ... 

 

Chandigarh was special to me in the 90s because it had sit down toilets instead of the squat ones lol. 

Unless you have relatives there, there is no point visiting unless you want to go to malls that sell the same things as you get in the west. It is however a nice place to live.

I don't know why Punjabi singers and Punjabi movies big it up so much, it's not a Punjabi city at all, the vast majority of the people are Hindi speakers or ya ya types. It's a miniature Delhi without the history. Since my nana and nana passed away I've got no inclination to ever visit again.

Anandpur Sahib really is different to the rest of Punjab, so much more peaceful, yes I went to Baba Gurdita high up, Kiratpur and also that muslim shrine Buddan Shah where they claim Guru Nanak asked for milk from a sufi saint and said he would come back a hundred years later in a different incarnation (Guru Hargobind) to take the rest. It seems like a made up story to me. I wanted to see the Virasat E Khalsa museum, I remember when it was in the process of being built in 2000 but I never got time to visit it in 2018 when I last went. Did you go there?

I will have to visit Machiwara the next time I am there.

Himachal is beautiful, great scenery and monkeys galore.

2 minutes ago, KhoonKaBadlaKhoon2 said:

I don't quite agree (nor do I agree with Islam), as other nations have shown they have found ways to progress even with Islamic roots. 

It's true to some extent but have a look at Muslim immigrants in Europe, whether they are North Africans in France, Belgium, Holland or Turks in Germany, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in the UK, Lebanese in Australia, they are all near the bottom of society, less educated, less employed, disproportionately involved in crime and grooming gangs. The only thing linking all of these groups is Islam. Whereas India is progressing, Islamic countries are becoming more backwards.

10 minutes ago, KhoonKaBadlaKhoon2 said:

Never is a strong word. I see no reason why they can't be upto par with India, especially considering they have made economic progress. Of course they're still significantly further behind.

Many of your points can apply just as easily to India, by the way. 

No their Islamic roots will always hold them back. The whole 'is this haram' mentality will always keep them one step behind. They are more focused on the afterlife than this life.

3 minutes ago, puzzled said:

See people from other regions of Punjab do not understand this, I'm glad you pointed it out!  The "persecuted" Chamars are the dominant group in many places of Doaba. over 40% of the sirpanchs in Punjab are Chamars. All the jobs and benefits are reserved for them because the local governments are full of Chamars and also because they vote for congress. They really are taking advantage of the whole reservation thing.

Every year when its that time of the year again the lanes outside of the Chamar areas are repaired, many of their kids have free education and many other benefits. In my mums pind i went to the Arora area of the pind and the whole thing looked like it was stuck in the 1950s! broken roads, old wooden doors and windows hanging off, run down   just shambles. 

The reservation thing should be for poor families regardless of their caste! My mums friend is a Arora lady who is really poor, her husband had a stroke so he couldn't move, her son ended up in jail for drugs and she made a living by cleaning peoples dishes! but she got absolutely no help or benefits from the government because she belongs to the Arora community and not the Chamar. How does that even make sense! 

I understand many people from the Chamar community need help but there plenty of them that don't! 

its just messed up.

Do you remember when that Ravidassia preacher was shot in Austria?  Well the Chamars from my mums pind all rounded up and blocked the roads in the pind and told the Aroras that they can't open their shops and told Jatts that they can't use the roads to drive their tractors to the fields!  they themselves caused a riot and made a curfew in the pind! Everyone else had to go back home! it lasted a whole week it did. And no police or government arrested them. They behave in such a clannish way!

The jobs should be reserved for the actual communities that are suffering like the valmikis etc But because Chamars are at the top within the Dalit hierarchy, they hog all the jobs and don't give them to other Dalit communities.

Spaces should be reserved for people like the Valmikis and poor families regardless of caste. 

Anyway enough of that 

 

Yeah i really like going Anandpur Sahib, its beautiful there. Gd thing is Anandpur Sahib isn't that far from us only takes around 40mins. Amritsar is a bit fat though

Have you been machiwara? Its only around 20-25 mins from us   you cross the Sutlej and your in Malwa 

These are all valid points and I agree fully. You should only get help if you are poor, not because of your so called caste.

Anandpur being near is great but the roads leading there from Nawanshahr are atrocious, they really need to be fixed.

Amristar isn't that far, about 2 hours away but nowadays I prefer Anandpur Sahib, it's so much more peaceful and I like the hilly scenery. 

Amritsar has become a tourist town with massive queues to do matha tek at Harmandir Sahib. You can even bribe sevadars to jump the queue, so shameful. There are lots of tourists from other parts of India who want to visit Harmandir Sahib but only because the 'Jai Hind Vande Matram' Jalianwala Bagh and Wagah border are nearby. It made me laugh seeing these central indians at Wagah border shouting their slogans at the Pakistanis. I was thinking - this isn't your land, you have nothing in common with the people here.

I've never been to Machiwara, 90% of my trips to India were spent in my Dad's pind and then the odd excursion to Amritsar (and the surrounding areas), Anandpur or visiting my nana in Chandigarh (a very bland metro city). I've done one proper trip to Delhi, that was good.

11 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Its a nice gurdwara isn't it, my puas daughter got married there. We don't have much Sikh ithiaas in that region but that Gurdwara one of the few. Its a blessed place because Guru Hargobind sahib jee along with young Guru Har rai ji and Guru Tegh Bahadur and baba Gurditta ji visited it with Guru Hargobind Sahib.

it is quite a plain bland area lol 

Yh the area is mainly Chamar and they are half Sikh/Hindu and they vote congress, their basically the dominant group so their vote counts the most. My mums pind is massive and it is around 80% Chamar and they all are congress. Every year before the votes congress gives the pind a grant and they repair the roads/lanes on their side of the pind only,  its because their vote counts because they are the majority. Thats how politics works there ... 

There really are not that many Singhs that you see around that area. 

My Dad was a victim of caste based politics unfortunately. We're from a Ramgarhia background, he managed to get more marks than his chamaar friend in school but didn't get into Engineering due to 'positive discrimination' but his friend got in.

Every flaana Sikh youth you speak to in that area just wants a go'orment job and complains about the chamaars getting them. Due to this, they all just want to go to Canada, Australia and New Zealand. A lot of their points are valid but these government jobs are a joke, the workers literally just clock in and do nothing. We need more aspirations.

I guess you could say the majority of Punjab is bland, good place to live but not visit. Amritsar and Anandpur Sahib are the two best places to visit by far and that is 100% due to Sikh history. Without Sikhism Punjab would be another bland state like Haryana and Madhya Pradesh.

1 minute ago, puzzled said:

ooh ok   my puas pind is jindowal  iv been banga a few times but family mostly go shopping nawanshahr.

iv been punjab 9 times, yh iv been bhagat singhs house couple of times as well lol  there really isn't much else to do around there lol

i havnt been punjab in 2 years  but i think they were planning to make the museum bigger. i think there building a fly over at banga as well?

no i havent been chand ji gurdwara, Iv been gurdwara manji sahib though theres a little shop nxt door and they sell sarbloh stuff 

iv been a few hindu places like surj khund, raja sahib da mazara etc    but thats about it   

Yes my mum's pind is also Jindowal. Guru Hargobind stayed there for quite a while, hence the nice Gurdwara there.

You're right there's not much to do in that area apart from the Bhagat Singh museum. They have made that area look nice with the fountains.

As for it being a Congress area I'm not surprised there are lots of people there who are half way between being Sikhs and Hindus, I'm guessing that they are RaviDas followers. I feel that orthodox Sikh practices are more prevalent outside of Punjab/India. 

36 minutes ago, KhoonKaBadlaKhoon2 said:

Nuclear super powers of the world will not go to war anytime soon. They'll have a skirmish, battle here and then, chest thumping essentially. 

The most India and China ever do is literally shoving matches on the border, not even gunfire. There is simply too much for them to lose. The Pakistanis on the other hand have nothing to lose because their country is a mess.

33 minutes ago, puzzled said:

My dads pind is right next to the actual shahr while my mums pind is like a 5 mind drive from banga lol  

You been to shaheed bhagat singhs house and museum?

My pua is married into a pind in banga, it's near gurdwara charan kanwal sahib  

my dad saw the helicopter aswell 

Doaba is a Congress area! 

My mum's pind is the one right next to Banga, next to the Sikh National College (where my Dad studied), my Dad's pind is a 5-10 min drive from Banga.

Bhagat Singh's house, lol. I've been to India 5 times and visited the house 4 times. What about chande ji gurdwara?

1 hour ago, puzzled said:

There's a lot of politics when it comes to politics lol   Doaba region is a congress strong hold, also dalits, hindus and muslims vote congress in Punjab. I think in Malwa and Majha most Sikhs traditionally vote Akalis. In Doaba some Jatts vote Congress and some Akalis, its quite a split. 

My family are from Nawanshahr and my dad told me how in the 70s Indira even came to Nawanshahr but she was in a helicopter in the sky and never landed lol  it was one of her rallys during the votes.  she was waving from the helicopter lol!  since the 70s Doaba has been a congress stronghold, many dalit kids have free education and work places local governments have reserved places for dalits, the congress did that and since then they've always won in the region 

My parents are also from the Nawanshahr area  near Banga. Which village are yours from?

They also told me the story about Indira coming in the helicopter when they were youngsters.

My Dad said she was shocked at how much less poverty there was in Punjab than in the rest of India and that she wanted to charge more tax or get more food from Punjab and give it to other states. 

It sometimes feels like we are a victim due to our own hard work.

5 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Yet if you ask a Pakistani about what they got after partition, they always say a "moth-ridden" Pakistan.

Like they got the bum end of the deal.

They got the best fertile land, a good river system and they still made a right hash of it.

The muslims got their cake and ate it during partition. 1/3 of their population was in Pakistan, 1/3 in Bangladesh and they still left 1/3 in India.

The Hindus made a massive blunder letting them stay behind in such massive numbers.

4 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

They need to be given a consistent beating to keep them under control because the moment you show leniency they go back to the old routine.

That is why it is important to go after their clerics, you have to demoralise, show them that allah is not on their side.

Get them to leave the political doctrine.

But simultaneously their needs to be punishment for the enemy within, who will try to facilitate your demise.

There has never been any punishment from treachery, an example needs to be made treachery will not be tolerated.

 

Give them an inch and they will try to take a mile. The only nation controlling them are the Chinese. Look at what they've done with the muslim Uighurs. I don't feel sorry for the Uighurs at all because if you show them leniency they would revert to type and terrorise non muslims in their area and also be involved in terrorism.

4 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

Majority of Sikhs in West cant get over the Sanjha Punjab fantasy ...you'd only see apne cucks Sikh crying about united Panjab esp when it comes to Independence day on India and Pakistan and they'll cry on about Muslims Hindus Sikhs lived together and this romantic love affair that was  divided by British etc...mean while Pakistanis and Indians are wetting themselves on Independence day for both countries. So pathetic..If we want our own Sikh country, it should be Sikh Ruling country only and foremost, just like Hindus have India Muslims have Pakistan, yet only crybabies apne cant get over their Sanjha Punjab...

He's Pashtun Pakistani i think and he talks about how Sikhi and Gurus are influencedby  Mughuls and Sikhi exits because Islam etc Once he started having a meltdown how Bollywood was portraying Ahmad shah abdali lol and sly digs at Sikh empire....just sucks we'd now ping pong between Ind and Pak 

A lot of Punjabi singers have this mentality as well. I don't give a damn about Heer Ranjha or Mirza, they're Pakistanis to me, yet these damn singers like Gurdas Khan, Hans Raj Hans, Harshdeep Kaur, Satinder Sartaj  Kanwar Grewal praise them.

We benefitted a lot from partition. Prior to partition the main language of Punjab was Urdu, the curly Urdu script was everywhere in Punjab. After partition Gurmukhi made a big comeback.

10 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

This seems to be the usual routine for any non-muslim group that retaliates against muslims.

That is only reacting after much provocation. 

The western media likes to pick up in the aftermath. They deliberately turn a blind eye.

They are like those WWE wrestling referees that disqualify the good guy after seeing him hit the bad guy with the chair but completely miss what is happening before. 

Usually non-muslims tend to be reactive. Maybe it is time to be pro-active. 

We know muslims are not a net benefit for any community as a whole. The more there are, the more problematic they are.

I think we understand their nature.

What we need are steps to counter them.

For instance Rohingyas should be given a choice to convert to Buddhism (probably was their religion before they converted) or else.

Then find out the clerics and the people who stir up the problems. 

One of the things I notice is that whenever the muslim mob goes on the rampage, there tends to be a cleric in the background that gets away scot free.

Their communities are mullah-Centric.  Take out their clerics, their mobs will collapse.

Their population growth needs to be countered.  They love to breed exponentially as a way to take over an area.

If a muslim family has more than say two kids, their kids should be taken from them and converted to Buddhism. 

The other problem is the bleeding heart non muslims who will object to this (though understandeable) but inadvertently cause their own demise.

That is what we did in 1947 and we hit them back very hard.

They are so cocky even when in a minority. It seems that they only respect you if you give them a good beating.

1 minute ago, genie said:

Yup india is pretty safe at the moment. It can crush the afghan taliban easily if they tried it on hence why they admitted they wont interfere in indian affairs. Modi's india is embolden at the moment and can even take on china and pakistan at the same time if it was a conventional war. If it came down to nukes then no ones gonna win in that only be loosers everywhere. So i think all the worldly powers have abandoned any support to separatists groups knowing theres not much chance of them seceding from a pretty stable and rising hindu nationalist india union.

From Sikhs perspective we should keep out of any hinduisation thats going on effecting kashmir or indian muslims because the goal of islam is to convert and wipe non-muslims including sikhs out eventually. Whereas the goal of hindu nationalists isnt really one of wiping Sikhs and Sikhism or Buddhists and buddhism out they are pretty tolerant of dharmic faiths they just want to be top dogs in the native area they been living for past thousands of years.

Exactly, I dont want any coalition between Sikhs and any Muslim group. We need to stick up for ourselves and don't need the bad reputation of muslims hanging over us.

22 minutes ago, genie said:

I would agree in todays world they don't have a chance. However if we were in the 80s and 90s the IRA had real chance of defeating the british army because you gotta remember gaddafi was funding them, the arab league members were funding them covertly like saddams iraq. The USA ex-pat irish community nord was funding them.

The only way militant groups will succeed in todays world in todays political scene is if a super power aids them or smashed into another world power to release trapped nations of the bigger nations out. So when we look at the case of USSR after its fall because of the west's thousand cuts policy then all those former soviet countries broke free because there wasnt the manpower to fight any armed uprising by cash strapped soviet govt in moscow. However russia has regrouped and was able to aid pro-russian seperatist militants in ukraine establish their own rule and in abzakia from georgian territory.

If we look at serbia and its clash in kosovo that was part of its land after it had taken it during the balkan wars. The west aided the jihadi KLA militant group to cause clashes with serbian forces when serbia retaliated then nato got involved and salved albanian muslim asses just as they did in balkan wars. So kosovo seperatists declared independence from serbia thanks to NATO western military help.

So it is still possible for militant groups of independance wanting groups to reach objectives militaerily but only if alot of world powers or a super power aids and recognizes their legitimacy. 

Yes the only way is if an even bigger power helps the militant group but India is not the same nation it was back in the 80s. Nukes change things big time. No country will do this against India.

Economically India is doing ok so it isn't going to collapse like the USSR.

2 minutes ago, genie said:

1940s before 1947 was a beautiful time to get sikh raj back. Various Sikh princely state rulers could have banded together and formed khalistan easily even without dr abedkar's consideration of 100 million+ dalits joining sikhism to boost our demographics numbers to qualify for a huge country. But instead the various sikh groups were divided between themselves, they couldnt come together and fight for the national sikh interest. Too many selfish Sikh egotistcal clowns wanted to protect their own seats in political power play that was going on.

As for the tigers well reason for the defeat of hindu tamil tigers was the various countries implementing terrorism legislation's from year 2000 that proscribed them and cut their funding from the west. Another big dent to tamil tigers aspirations was when congress party ruling the indian establishment's betrayal. First they created and covertly supported the tamil tigers via the R&AW to leverage power of tamils against Sinhalese buddhist sri lankan govt then they betrayed them backstabbing and removed all funding and training and arms which left the tamil tigers to fend for themselves on the arms dealing black market for survival. The indian army even was sent in to "peace keeping" troops to try ensure the peace between buddhist and hindu tamil area's  These troops ended up committing brutality against the restless tamils there, so the tigers feeling betrayed hit back and blew rajiv gandhi up before the Sikh militants could get him for his role in anti-sikh genocide.

So we come to 2009 and the sri lankan government was better armed, had intelligence and weapons help from china and pakistan. It was no contest really and only matter of time before the sri lankan tamil hindu genocide happened there was protests in london while the sri lankan president was being courted by the british queen and government. The british establishment didnt give two f*ucks about the genocide of tamil hindus in sri lankan just as they didnt do the same of sikhs of punjab 80s/90s. They were signing arms deals with the sri lankan govt just as they did with india in 1980s before operation blue star.

Sadly this is ground reality of real politics of the world. the rich and powerful only give aid to each other to oppress and persecute the minorities when it doesn't suit their geo-political strategic economic interests.

Militant groups just have no chance against bigger powers. At best they can be a nuisance like the IRA but they can never achieve their end goal.

6 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

What I do find interesting is how there's a tentative "shaming" of India under Modi, in terms of the Muslim issue in India. If India continues on its current course, I expect that dissent from the West to grow louder in a way that nobody does with sincere gusto with places like Saudi Arabia and China, i.e. countries the West can't afford to pee off despite their questionable records on how they treat certain sections of their respective societies.

This shaming stuff happens to Russia, Iran, North Korea in the media all of the time and nothing happens to those countries.

Once you have the kind of military India does no one will mess with you.