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2 minutes ago, genie said:

1940s before 1947 was a beautiful time to get sikh raj back. Various Sikh princely state rulers could have banded together and formed khalistan easily even without dr abedkar's consideration of 100 million+ dalits joining sikhism to boost our demographics numbers to qualify for a huge country. But instead the various sikh groups were divided between themselves, they couldnt come together and fight for the national sikh interest. Too many selfish Sikh egotistcal clowns wanted to protect their own seats in political power play that was going on.

As for the tigers well reason for the defeat of hindu tamil tigers was the various countries implementing terrorism legislation's from year 2000 that proscribed them and cut their funding from the west. Another big dent to tamil tigers aspirations was when congress party ruling the indian establishment's betrayal. First they created and covertly supported the tamil tigers via the R&AW to leverage power of tamils against Sinhalese buddhist sri lankan govt then they betrayed them backstabbing and removed all funding and training and arms which left the tamil tigers to fend for themselves on the arms dealing black market for survival. The indian army even was sent in to "peace keeping" troops to try ensure the peace between buddhist and hindu tamil area's  These troops ended up committing brutality against the restless tamils there, so the tigers feeling betrayed hit back and blew rajiv gandhi up before the Sikh militants could get him for his role in anti-sikh genocide.

So we come to 2009 and the sri lankan government was better armed, had intelligence and weapons help from china and pakistan. It was no contest really and only matter of time before the sri lankan tamil hindu genocide happened there was protests in london while the sri lankan president was being courted by the british queen and government. The british establishment didnt give two f*ucks about the genocide of tamil hindus in sri lankan just as they didnt do the same of sikhs of punjab 80s/90s. They were signing arms deals with the sri lankan govt just as they did with india in 1980s before operation blue star.

Sadly this is ground reality of real politics of the world. the rich and powerful only give aid to each other to oppress and persecute the minorities when it doesn't suit their geo-political strategic economic interests.

Militant groups just have no chance against bigger powers. At best they can be a nuisance like the IRA but they can never achieve their end goal.

6 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

What I do find interesting is how there's a tentative "shaming" of India under Modi, in terms of the Muslim issue in India. If India continues on its current course, I expect that dissent from the West to grow louder in a way that nobody does with sincere gusto with places like Saudi Arabia and China, i.e. countries the West can't afford to pee off despite their questionable records on how they treat certain sections of their respective societies.

This shaming stuff happens to Russia, Iran, North Korea in the media all of the time and nothing happens to those countries.

Once you have the kind of military India does no one will mess with you.

33 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

India has become "too big" to fail. It won't be allowed to self-destruct. Perhaps there might be some serious blows delivered, but nothing fatal in my opinion.

It's true, they are now a military superpower, they have nuclear weapons and a very good navy.

Even the Tamil Tigers couldn't defeat the Sri Lankan military who are a lot weaker than India's and much smaller in size.

1947 was a fantastic opportunity, all we had to do was ask.

Ask and you shall receive, we didn't even ask!

Silly Mr 'Village teacher' Malhotra.

Unfortunately the time is gone. 

1947 was the perfect opportunity. There were highly organised Sikh militants (a lot from army backgrounds) roaming Punjab at that time. That's why we were able to inflict so many casualties on muslims. The British would have been happy to create another nation, there was nothing for them to lose. There would have been no army for us to fight against.

India however will never give Khalistan. If they did, other states would demand the same thing. They are a major military power and we don't have the means to defeat them. The best we could do is what we did in the 80s. Even Kashmir which is blatantly supported by Pakistan cannot break free from India, what chance have we got?

Sikh numbers are also declining in Punjab, we may not even be a majority in 50 years.

The only chance we have now is if India disintegrated like Yugoslavia in the 90s, but I don't see that happening in the near future.

3 hours ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

 

GOOD LORD ! IRONY DIED A MILLION DEaTHS !

 

a religion which is firm believer of non violence which even made Ashoka drop his sword has today picked guns .

And  we the so called martial race , display chhatti parkaar ke shastr has become so pussied out. 

godd xD 

The Rohingyas started the violence and then cried like a bunch of spoiled brats when the Buddhists fought back.

Muslims are always the aggressors. They have a sense of arrogance thinking that if they start trouble the other side will do nothing. They do this even when they are in small numbers.

The muslim Rohingyas also massacred the Hindu ones.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/05/myanmar-new-evidence-reveals-rohingya-armed-group-massacred-scores-in-rakhine-state/

3 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

This is a claim that's being picked up in recent times by Hindutva types, and they are debunking it with vigour. I've only ever heard this sentiment expressed by hyped-up parcharaks. It's misleading. 

Then the Hindus make stupid claims like 'Sikhism was created to protect Hinduism from muslims'.

What are we? Bodyguards for hire?

20 minutes ago, genie said:

I think its fair to say we did in large save the hindu faith from being totally wiped out from northern india which would have fed down to central and eventually all of south india. If we look at india today most pockets of muslim demographics are largely in the north east and southern tips of india.

Had there been no Sikh rebels harassing and tormenting the muslim invader rulers of the time then they would have had a free reign to forcefully convert rest of the populous to islam just as they did in hindu afghanistan and hindu sindh hindu kashmir,etc. the timescale of islamification was fast because they used the sword. It was only a matter of time had the Sikhs not plugged that gap in the north then they muslim invaders would have run rampant across rest of india. Only in punjab they met a crazy suicidal force of Sikhs that kept them busy and distracted so much so they went nuts and declared every Sikh should be beheaded.

So they went nuts and we went nuts eventually we won through because our faith taught us to sacrifice and attain martyrdom fighting the enemy is the duty of all fighting Sikhs. They couldn't handle that fighting prowess of the Sikhs and eventually their dark rule crumbled and hindus and other minorities were able to practise their faith freely and without hindrance.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maratha_conquest_of_North-west_India

The Marathas actually conquered Punjab at one point.

2 minutes ago, Kau89r8 said:

Jazzy b is only few artists that supports  Sant Bhindranwale and Khrakus ...he's panthic 

Honey Singh havent heard of him for years lol

Gurdas maan openly supports killers like KPS gill and anit-khalsa 

Sidhu Moosewala was okay and supportive of kaum until recently 

Jazzy B is a drug addict.

3 minutes ago, puzzled said:

yh a lot of these historical people are really inflated after they die, ambedkar definitely was a great man, but to say the entire population of dalits would of converted because he told them to convert is a bit of an exaggeration!   dalits are loyal to their faiths and practices as well, to say 300 million would of converted like that is not true! 

Even when apne say we saved Hinduism from going extinct is silly. It's simply not the case. Whilst we ended Islamic rule in North West India the Hindu Marathas took over the rest of India. We had no influence in central  South and Eastern India.

We need to stop making claims which are clearly not true.

5 minutes ago, Kau89r8 said:

Look at state of Punjab most youth are addicted to alcohol drugs... and Punjabis living in west 

 but you know what i mean..we dont have the likes of Maharaja Ranjit Singh, Hari Singh Nalwa, to Sant Bhinderwale anymore...

So you want them to have even bigger idiotic role models. The likes of Jazzy B and Honey Singh isn't enough?

The rappers and thug culture has ruined black communities and made them more prone to crime. You sound very young and naive.

5 minutes ago, puzzled said:

theres less buddhist than even sikhs in india!  a lot of the buddhists in india i think are tibetans who came to india when dai lama came 

Yep there are Tibetans in Dharsmsala, but there numbers are very few and also in Ladakh and Leh. Most are low caste converts in Maharashtra, Ambedkar's home state. 

This talk about low caste Hindus converting to Sikhism if Ambedkar did has no grounding in reality. Just makes us look stupid. If they didn't convert to Buddhism they wouldn't convert to Sikhism.

2 minutes ago, Kau89r8 said:

Even Putin doesnt mess with Chechnyas! 

The chechens lost their freedom battle in the 90s, now they are 'proud' Russians.

2 minutes ago, Kau89r8 said:

 

Mike Tyson, Mohammed Ali, Anothony Joshua, Khabib Nurmagomedov .....to name few 

Tyson is a drug addict rapist, Muhammad Ali despite his humour was actually very dumb and cheated on his wife numerous times, Khabib is a Chechen and muslim from birth, Joshua is not a confirmed muslim and is a former drug dealer.

These are not inspiring people. Do your research. Most celebrities are idiots.

11 minutes ago, Kau89r8 said:

 

There are not 300 million Buddhists in India today so do not get carried away with fantasies.

35 minutes ago, Kau89r8 said:

Have you seen those Muslim Russian converts they're like beasts..and why do most Black boxers convert to Islam?? Islam attracts these alpha males despite quaran full of bs ..whilst we spread soft hippy white version on Sikhi...one example 3h0 lol

Even now Basics of Sikhi is has turned quite liberal 

We used to be that strong Alpha Khalsa Kaum once upon time...which we need today so desperately

Do you want to attract dumb Neanderthals into Sikhi? Let the muslims have the useless prison populations and brain dead boxers (who all go broke).

We need people with brains and braun. 

2 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Thing is people come to Buddhism for meditation, that is what budh dharam is associated with,  people want some inncer peace and spirituality and the answer to that is Buddhism. Its because that is how buddhists have promoted their faith to the world.

despite meditation/simran,naam being the central core belief of sikhi,  sikhs are promoting sikhi with langar and tying paghs.  

someone looking for spirituality would they go to bhuddists who offer meditation and spiritual guidance, or would they go to sikhs who offer them a tray with lentil soup in it?   

sikhs have failed to promote our very core central tenet to the world. instead they are having langar on campus instead. 

It's true. The vast majority of Sikhs don't know that meditation is the core way of practicing Sikhi, even those who go to the gurdwara regularly.

14 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

She wrote, "we are a spineless kaum."   Which means she was attacking the 105 year old man.  Also grouping every sikh as to be spineless because what a muslim did.  

No she means that we are not doing anything about muslim aggression and are in fact helping them out like fools.

27 minutes ago, puzzled said:

i think there are only around 10-20 sikh families in Trinidad and one gurdwara. if he has that accent then he must of moved to the uk very recently. chances of them being Trinidad sikhs who recently moved to the uk and then converted to islam is very slim.

unless the video is from another country 

It could be from Trinidad, who says it's from the UK?

1 minute ago, puzzled said:

yeah definitely not grandson, chances of punjabi man have that accent in UK is 0%    

There are loads of Indians in Trinidad and there is even a gurdwara there, so there is a slight possibility that it could be true.

https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-samsung-gs-rev1&sxsrf=ALeKk02o3LtBXj-_wGA7yJQoDYXDFuBdqA%3A1590513571234&ei=o0_NXoPkDYHFgQb3l7LIBQ&q=gurudwara+in+trinidad&oq=gurudwara+in+tr&gs_lcp=ChNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwEAEYADICCAAyAggAMgIIADIGCAAQFhAeMggIABAWEAoQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjoHCCMQsAMQJzoJCAAQsAMQCBAeOgQIIxAnOgQIABAKOgcIABAUEIcCUKk9WNtOYLlYaABwAHgAgAH_AYgBywqSAQUzLjUuMpgBAKABAQ&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp#trex=m_t:lcl_akp,rc_f:nav,rc_ludocids:13822504622459431049,rc_q:Gurudwara%20Sahib%20Trinidad%20and%20Tobago,ru_q:Gurudwara%20Sahib%20Trinidad%20and%20Tobago

8 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

That list has nothing to do with one very old grandpa repeating something he does not fully understand. 

The old sikh man did nothing wrong.  If you wanted to accuse someone of being wrong.  You should have highlighted the fact a muslim grandson is manipulating his grandfather.   Instead you blame the grandfather by calling him spineless.   

Your issue is with the grandson and say nothing about him being wrong.  But you blame an old man. What does that say about you?

They are not attacking him but what muslims are doing.

We are doing so many nice things for them and this is how they are paying us back. That is the point which is trying to be made.

We need to stop doing such nice things.

Very sad, why does he have a muslim grandson in the first place?

If one of my kids ever married a muslim or converted it would be an instant disowning from me.

The next step is slaughtering goats halal style in a gurdwara.

Muslims are far more dangerous to us than Hindus. 100 times more.

2 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

It is a tiny minority of Sikhs that do this.

The majority of us do not.

But they over-represent and they speak over the rest of us and they do not.

It is up to us Sikhs to sort out these miscreants. We have overwhelm them and dominate them.

It is Sikh-on-Sikh so no other community will bother.

Yes that is the problem. The media coverage of their silly stunts is too much.

3 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Well the Delhi Sikhs are more traders and shopkeepers and UP Sikhs tend to be large landowners (a lot of them come from what is now Pakistan)

They probably feel they have more to lose. They are thinking that if they do doing iftar they are creating goodwill so then the next time there is Muslim/Hindu clash they will be left alone.

The big difference between UP/Delhi Sikhs is they were attacked by Hindus /Muslims and in Punjab post-84 it has been largely Sikh-on-Sikh.

The problem we have is that we place our ideals and values on other communities and think they will act in the same manner we do. 

If someone outside Sikhi does something nice for our Sangat, we are very grateful to them. For example Malerkotla. That area was not touched during partition.

However, do you think the same thing would be replicated the other way around?

Their values are not the same as ours.

 

 

It's all one way traffic. It's coming to the point when it feels like Sikhs are like that pathetic kid in the playground who is desperately giving out sweets to be liked by everyone else but everyone is actually just taking advantage of him and laughing at him behind his back.