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1 hour ago, Jonny101 said:

The new generation of Muslims seems to be the most aggressive when trying to convert people. The older generation did not try to convert you or as I have heard from my elders who remember pre partition Punjab the Muslims back then did not act like a salesman for Islam. But today most Muslims all try to slyly sell you Islam.

The muslims of pre partition Punjab probably wouldn't dare to try such a thing. They were at the lowest rung of society. Sikhs and Hindus would not let them drink from the same communal taps as them.

1 hour ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

which is surprising considering the fact most arabs don't know abt sikhism 

Well it was speakers corner so he has probably come across Sikhs there. From what I remember he may have been from the UAE and may have interacted with Sikhs there.

1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

Any culture or race worth a damn has always created and forged regardless of the field of work. We're nothing but nomadic consumers feasting on the achievements and feats of others. 

It's the bitter truth. We just run after goreh.

The youth in Punjab are lazy and hardly any of them study. They are into crass materialism. 

Korea and China were once worse off than India, now they are light years ahead.

2 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

If there was a hypothetical smack-down between Hindus and Muslims in India, that would be one of the rare instances where I'd prescribe a Bhai Kanaiya approach. Side with nobody but provide ONLY support in the form of food, shelter, etc., when necessary. Don't get caught up in the adrenaline fuelled situation as it's occurring, but DO keep in mind that, as Sikhs, you would still need to live amongst the same people when it's over. Making a dodgy decision will be remembered by neighbours and others. Don't open yourself up to delayed reprisals by allowing emotion to dictate decision making. 

Muslims have no chance in any battle. Low numbers in Police and Army = suicide.

On 7/26/2018 at 8:37 PM, Premi5 said:

Moving the thread back onto the topic, can anyone add to their observations from travelling/living different countries where Sikhs are or are not recognised?!

 

my cousins (male and a female) went together on holiday to Egypt a few years ago. Both wear dastar and people there were really respecting them but my cousins think the Egyptians thought they are Muslims 

There's a story I read that during the 2nd World War there were Indian soldiers stationed in Egypt, the Sikhs got treated better by the locals than the Indian/Pakistani muslims because the Egyptians thought they were muslims. The Indian muslims tried to explain to the locals that the Sikhs weren't muslims but the Egyptians didn't believe them and still treated the Sikhs better lol.

2 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

The likes of the Gulf States and Iran play a lot of their Shia-Sunni proxy war on the Indian Subcontinent. 

The majority of Gulf workers from India are Indian muslims.

The wahabbi influence on Kerala muslims can be attributed to the Kerala muslims that work in the Gulf. 

This in part plays to the Hindutva element. 

The worse case scenario could be Gulf States funding Islamic terrorism  (they already fund Islamic activities anyway ) which would mean some kind of economic embargo.

India exports manpower and the Gulf exports oil. 

The question would be who needs who more.

 

If the Indians pulled out of Dubai it's economy would collapse, I think Dubai need India much more than vice versa.

3 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

The Hindu civilisation is an angry civilisation. 

It is one that feels wronged, whether it is the British Rule or Islamic rule.

The one thing about Hindu civilisation does not take notice of is the enemy within, that is the Hindus who collaborated with the outsider, the "Jai Chands" amongst their midsts. 

I do not how Hindus have ever dealt with treachery. 

It seems that over the millenia Treachery has been rewarded and the dharmic ideals have been punished. 

If I was a hindu leader, it is these traitors that will need to be flushed out and punished. 

Treachery should not be rewarded. 

There are just as many traitors in our own community. There was some warrior whose name I forgot who fought alongside Maharaja Ranjeet Singh and then later fought with the British against the Sikhs in the Anglo Sikh wars.

Then you also have the likes of General Kuldip Brar, KPS Gill, Giani Zail Singh, Captain Amrinder Singh. 

It's pathetic really. I don't think muslims do this to the extent Sikhs and Hindus do. They might screw each other over but not to a kaffir.

6 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Is India heading for fascism? Seems like Modi has managed to tap into a fervent nationalism that has really brought some psychos out into the open, because I don't doubt for a moment these people ever went away. I can't help notice how the fervour that seems to be rising at the moment was perhaps the same mood that lead to the actions against ordinary Sikhs a few decades ago. 

Cleverly, the BJP have managed to propagandise patriotism as a purely BJP policy; if you're against the BJP, you're anti-India, and therefore seek its destruction. It's working largely in part to the targeting of rural communities with low education. That's definitely not going to end well.

How will it end for the nation's Muslims? Another partition, lol? 

Geopolitically, the Arabs seemed to have voiced their concerns, which is something that previously has never happened. If India continues on its present trajectory, I think these Arab nations will foment unrest in India. India squaring up to China and attempting to damage its ambitions is hilarious. They have neither the intelligence nor the support to damage China in the way the Indians hope to.

Interesting times ahead. I hope Sikhs remain impartial, and mind our own stinking business. We love playing hero and garnering praise, but for once I wish we'd button it, and stop the constant search for ego stroking.

The Hindus are just doing what they forgot to do in 1947 which is to fight back against aggressive Islamism. They say that Sikhs are dumb and lack foresight but in 1947 we fought back and cleansed our lands of muslims. Hindus stupidly did not. The Congress party has appeased muslims for several decades and so did Gandhi and that is why he was killed by a Hindu extremist.

There won't be another partition because there are no british to give the muslims another homeland. Muslim numbers in the army and police are miniscule, it simply isn't going to happen.

Let the Hindus do whatever they want to the muslims, we should not come to their aid nor should we assist the Hindus.

Arabs couldn't care less about South Asian muslims, none of them care about Kashmir or have heard about it in the first place. I've never heard of an arab coming to kashmir to fight against the indian army but plenty of Pakistanis and Indian muslims have joined isis in Iraq and Syria and you see them at Free Palestine rallies. It's all one way traffic. Furthermore Arab countries are a total mess today, they can't even manage themselves.

1 hour ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

 

Yeah my mom lived in Mumbai which has a huge muslim pop and she is always so grateful that the Muslims were driven out of Panjab. Otherwise  she says the streets would be filled with paan and spit and would be so unsafe. 

Ofc ppl can say the same abt sikhs with their curry smell and multiple relatives.

The Paki Punjabis dont eat paan, that's UP and Bihari muslims. One thing for sure is that Urdu language would be everywhere in Indian Punjab instead of Gurmukhi. 

The partition of Punjab in 1947 and again in the 1960s was good for us.

5 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

I lived in a predominantly black area and had mostly Jamaican friends for the first 12 years of my life. I never adopted the vernacular, the mannerisms, or the mentality. It's down to the parents or the parent to enforce rules and define expectations of the child.

Punjabi parenting, even in western diasporas, is lackadaisical at best. The modern generations have upped their game, but the balance weighs heavily in favour of fulfilling secular, Western expectations, whereas past generations seemed to inculcate the worst aspects of Punjabi culture, thereby tarnishing the image or the impression of the culture as a whole in the eyes of their offspring, which meant the child would grow up into adulthood and, as a form of rebellion, would drift far from his own cultural norms when raising children of his own. 

This neverending swing between extremes is ruining generations of Sikhs.  

That's good of you not to fall into that trap. Even goreh are talking like kaleh 'yute' these days. Good luck getting a decent job ya get me fam.

I remember I had an Egyptian uni 'friend', I had already graduated but he had to repeat the final year so I thought I'd help him out a bit as he also lived in Slough. He still had to bring up the islamic nonsense even when I was there to help him.

I was younger and more stupid then but now I wouldn't have bothered to help him or more importantly even befriended him in the first place. They believe if they convert someone they get a place in heaven, so there is big motivation on their part.

Pakistanis, Indian muslims, Bangladeshis, Afghans,Arabs, Somalis avoid them all. The only half decent ones are Iranians but it's better to avoid them as well, as you never can tell.

People are free to do what they want but when women begin to copy men too much a society usually breaks down, leading to higher divorce rates and lower birth rates.

1 hour ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

You can have friendship with them but remember they see you as subhuman kaafirs

So why bother being friends with them?

Be civil at work and school but never get too close. You will get burned. Trust me, I know.

2 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

I don't disagree with what you are saying.

What I mean is that their affinity in a lot of ways is going to be more with Sikhs.

If Sikhs move to an area and establish themselves, it is going to be this particular group of Pakistanis that will follow first. 

It is this group that notices first where Sikhs are moving to.

They watch what we do.

They might not be as bad as Mirpuris but still far from apne in mindset. Still won't miss an opportunity to try to convert you. They love Urdu language more than Punjabi.

Mirpuris are not Kashmiris, they are mountain muslim Punjabis. They speak the same Punjabi dialect as people from Rawalpindi. Bhappe Sikhs also speak this language, it's called Pothwari.

I'm not sure if they try to mimic us, it's more that their mentality is always one to two generations behind us and it takes them longer to reach where we are and by that time we are ready to move on to better things.

31 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Oh ok   I briefly worked at that baylis hotel near the mosque with the green dome 

I live near singh sabha gurdwara   past the shops    I dnt mind it though 

That's not as bad as Baylis. We used to live just off Stoke Poges Lane, loads of suls there. More apne near Singh Sabha, plus it's near the Khalsa primary school which is very good.

3 hours ago, puzzled said:

sikhs who grow up in white areas are quite different to sikhs who grow up in brown areas. 

If the parents want the kids to grow up like typical brown kids then they should not move to areas where there are hardly any apne.

57 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

The Pakistanis from Faisalabad, a lot of them originally came from Jalandhar before partition. 

Lahore is down the road from Amritsar. 

There is always a difference between people from the plains and people from hilly areas. 

What you would find the Pakistanis from the plains like those from Lahore and Faisalabad (with the exception of the religion) will likely have more in common with Sikhs than Mirpuris. 

So what you might find that although they might do the "Allah hu akbar" and "we are muslim brothers" and call each other "bhaijan" and do all the "islamic unity" their feet gravitate towards Sikhs.

No, don't make that mistake. They are far more similar to Mirpuris than us. They still follow a lot of the same backwards practices.

1 hour ago, puzzled said:

 yh  langley, iver, colnbrook, wraysbury etc  is where all the sikhs are      on the other side quite a few live in stokepoges now

I grew up in Baylis near Ramgarhia gurdwara, now in Langley. Glad we got out. Too congested and dirty near the shops not to mention all the Pakistanis. 

Inner cities are not great places, it's usually more congested,l and more crime. The goreh who move to London for jobs in their 20s move out as soon they have kids, they don't want to raise their kids in such a place.

Apne are more affluent than muslims and therefore move out to nicer areas.

Langley and Iver are full of Sikhs who used to live in inner Slough and Southall.

It's at times like these I get angry at our leaders past and present. We should not be living in the UK, USA, Canada, Australia etc. Punjab should not be the dump it is. We never developed ourselves scientific wise or technology wise. We just run to these other countries where we won't fully be accepted and people will feel contradicted.

10 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Those Afghani Sikhs are closely tied with the Polish community running those "Polski Skleps "(being from Slough you should know what a Sklep is lol)

Yes lots of Polski skleps here in Slough run by Luskasz Sethi and Alexei Chopra.

26 minutes ago, puzzled said:

i did notice a lot more of those non desi muslims   afghan type of looking ones.

but i think southall will always remain a mainly punjabi area. the kache lot will keep the punjabi population up. and because it right nxt to heathrow as well. 

problem is punjabi always leave the multicultural areas and settle into the goreh areas, and the goreh dnt want them there so they start moving out. the multicultural areas end up then becoming mainly paki and somali areas, and its in these areas that our gurdware are in. 

 

Well the way it works is first you have goreh living in an area, then the Indians (Sikhs and Hindus) move in, then finally the Pakistanis and other muslim groups.

There's nothing wrong in wanting to better yourself but I get annoyed when the <banned word filter activated> follow us around but I guess that's how the goreh feel about us.

22 minutes ago, puzzled said:

yes i agree  more sikhs the better it is    plus because of their different culture it adds some diversity to the community   another gd thing is that they have lots of kids   which is great 

there aren't that many halal kebab places on broadway, the few that are there have always been there   no?    southall has always had a sizable muslim community     i havent been in a while but near McDonalds theres a few a think 

The amount of muslims has increased since the 90s when I was a kid. There are those old pakistani restaurants at the end of broadway near McDonalds but now a lot of these fake halal kfc, nandos knock offs next to the sikh owned shops.