ChardikalaUK

30 minutes ago, Singh1989 said:

Good point! would I? Naaah am in attachment. I'd b like "Koi na puth! kes fir a jao ge." 

Of course Kartar Singh parents were, I would imagine, no longer alive or didn't know what was going on as mobile phone didn't exist back then plus not all households had landline. But whether they were around or not Sant Kartar Singh was at a Brahmgian stage. Sikhi was EVERYTHING to him. Brahmgians wholly detach worldly things. 

We can only dream of reaching such stages. 

Ok would you do the same thing if you were old and had children and possibly grandchildren who wanted you to continue living?

18 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

They remind me of Jews in a way. 

They can't have descended from Kshatriyas! That's madness. 

Kshatriyas were 'upper caste' and civilised. The era of constant warfare is over so they have moved on. They tend to be more cultured and educated than other Sikhs.

9 minutes ago, puzzled said:

   So true     curled mucha, massive kara, kurta pyjama with high top trainers or those fake timberland boots is a common site at nagar kirtans or every sunday in multicultural areas. 

 and the sunglasses  i 4got the sun glasses 

 

And some even manage to bust out a Royal Enfield Bullet or Bult as it's known in Punjab.

37 minutes ago, puzzled said:

They do marry their cousins though! which really is not gd,  that weakens genetics which is the last thing our kaum needs. 

but then again its their culture, you can't really tell som1 that their culture is not right, but at the same time   its not gnna be gd in the long run.

I think that's only the ones who come from Afganistan. It's a bad habit they have picked up from living amongst muslims.

Do the ones in India do the same thing? 

Ok this isn't good to slate an entire community. It's very casteist. 

We all tell non Sikhs that Sikhism doesnt believe in casteism but the sad fact is that 90% of Sikhs do.

7 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

The irony is that Bhappe are Khatris who came from Kshatriya. 

They are the warrior class tradionally in India, if there is anyone who should know how to fight it is them.

Exactly, Guru Gobind Singh and Hari Singh Nalwa were both Khatris in fact most prominent Sikhs have been Khatris.

1 hour ago, shastarSingh said:

in Ludhiana there r so many bhappaas who speak hindi at home and go to mandirs.

they r much more close to Hindus than Muslims.

The ones in the UK also prefer Hindi over Punjabi, even the ones from Afghanistan.

As for going to Mandirs so many Sikhs in Punjab do that. People in India India believe in everything. The Sikhs abroad are more orthodox.

8 minutes ago, puzzled said:

They really are a backwards barbaric culture.  So much weight and sin on the earth because of them people,  but after all it is kalyugs reign.

Iv been warned about them since I was a child! They also do a lot of black magic  kala illm    so I dnt eat from them.

All my cousins are typical punjabis, more punjabi than sikh  but even they stay away from muslims. 

This is why it angers me when apne join hands with them over Kashmir or over this Citizen Act that Modi passed. Or they think there is some Punjabi connection with Pakistanis, it simply isn't the case. Even in Punjabi movies they try to have some Pakistani characters these days and show them as our long lost brothers. This is not done on the other side.

What have they ever done for us?

59 minutes ago, Singh1989 said:

AH! being hardcore like that isn't for everyone. The more meditation, bania, sangat, simran and seva one does the easier it becomes to understand things better. 

So tell me would you let your son or daughter's life to end if the only way to save them is to operate on their head and hence have to remove some hair?

34 minutes ago, BhForce said:

What? You made the statement yourself.

I just asked you what it meant.
Instead of answering, you go off into something else.

I guess that means your statement (that "Guru Nanak ji taught us to be logical") means nothing at all.

All right, then, that's out of the way. Because you refuse to defend the statement.

So Guru Nanak ji did not teach us to be logical.

Answer my question first, would you let your child die because you refused to cut their hair for a brain operation?

Just now, BhForce said:

No, bro, you claimed Guru Nanak ji taught us to be logical.

So I just asked you what you mean by logical.

Just answer the question and we can go on from there.

Obviously you had something in mind when you made the statement, so just tell us what you had in mind.

No you answer my question. Then we will move on.

1 minute ago, BhForce said:

Really, so what indeed is "logic"?

 

Tell me this, if you had a child who needed a life saving operation on their brain would you not do it because it involves cutting their hair?

41 minutes ago, BhForce said:

What is silly? That only Sant Kartar Singh was hardcore?

Or not cutting your hair is silly?

Not cutting his hair was silly. What do you think Guru Nanak would say about such a thing. He taught us to be logical.

14 hours ago, Singh1989 said:

Fairly new. Unfortunately not all Gursikhs are hardcore hard sikhs. Only Sant Kartar Singh was, who accepted death instead of an operation where some hair removal would've been inevitable. 

Ok that's very silly.

15 minutes ago, puzzled said:

aprox 6 million men were sterilized 

 https://qz.com/india/1414774/the-legacy-of-indias-quest-to-sterilise-millions-of-men/

https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/in-1976-more-than-6-million-men-in-india-were-coerced-into-sterilization

i agree it was a crime against humanity   for this alone you can say she was one of the worst barbaric rulers  dictators of the 20th century  should of been jailed and hanged for violation of human rights.      its crazy how hindus still love this woman, they call her the iron lady    she's their mother india.  

so many innocent young singhs were killed in punjab between the age of 15-35   sikhs also had a very high birthrate back then. 

They also idolise 'super cop' KPS Gill.

Forced sterilisation was bad but birth control was needed in India. In 1947 the population was 350 million and today it is 1.3 billion. It's a huge increase and if it had been controlled 50 years ago maybe India wouldn't be the overpopulated mess it is today.

Having a democracy is bad in India. There are simply too many illiterate people who don't know what is best for the country. In 1950 when the first election took place the literacy rate was like 10%. 

If one party wants to introduce something like birth control the other party will simply be against it to get the votes of illiterate people who still want 4+ kids. It's all about getting into power, not actually improving the country.

35 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Yh   she basically wanted power in pubjab. She was a very power hungry competitive woman.  A lot was going on in pubjab politically in the early 80s. I think initially the akalis kept sant ji close as sant ji was very vocal about indiras corrupt ways  which politically was great for the akalis,  but then sant ji became far more popular than the akalis in punjab and the akalis were getting worried about sant jis strong influence over sikh matters    indiras party I think waited and took advantage of sant jis growing influence as it weakened the akalis    but then the akalis started working with congress to illuminate sant ji and his influence.

A lot of games were being played   by people like longowal. 

Iv read there also was some clashes between zail singh and cm darbara singh. At one point when the police was sent to arrest sant ji by darbara singh, zail singh rang from the central government to the punjab police and told then to slow down and let sant ji get away. The idea was to defame darbara singh. Interesting as both zail and darbara were congressmen.

The one thing I like about the UK is when a political leader is defeated in an election he/she resigns as leader out of shame of losing and thinks the party would be better served under a different leader.

This behaviour only happens in North West Europe, America, Australia and New Zealand. No wonder they are the most successful countries in the world.

Indira lost in 1977 and should have called it a day but being the power hungry woman she was she couldn't let go. Some people say that she even had her own son Sanjay Gandhi killed as he was a threat to her rule. I wouldn't put it past her.

It's a big joke that Nehru and his family have been ruling India for the majority if the time since partition. It is nepotism to the max and the stupid public put up with it. This behaviour just breeds nepotism and corruption in the wider public.

Bluestar was purely for her to get Hindu votes, to show herself as being a tough leader.

She was power mad and wanted Congress to win in Punjab. She used Bhindranwale to break up the Akali Dal dominance but he ended up turning against her. That's all it really was, just wanting to hold onto power.

1 minute ago, genie said:

Not saying it will end in nuclear conflict but chances are always there however small. Pakistan has always gone by the doctrine of the first strike and nuke blackmail threat to deter india from invading and attacking it. That myth has now been busted no longer india is held back by that threat because it has a leader mad enough to risk an all out nuclear conflict for those elites in the indian establishment if india gets involved in a nuclear exchange and gets depopulated as a result it wont be a bad thing in the eyes. Cos we all know these crazy depopulation war mongering ideologues from history end up doing some crazy things. Pakistan would defiantly not survive in any nuclear war and thats the risk why pakistan can not afford to threat or even use nukes.

As for kashmir being a disaster yes has always been since nehru went to the UN to broker some kind of agreement had he had the balls he should have pushed all the way into kashmir then into pakistani held punjab and before we knew it west pakistan would have been struggled before it had begun. But congress always wanted to play the long game appease and use the muslim vote bank in india to its advantage and to always relie on it to get into power.

The risk for india is taking in more muslim inhabitants which is why they must start planting the pro-india dharmic non-muslim demographic seeds in kashmir now if they want them to bear fruit in the future.

Part of me thinks that Modi is also pro muslim. Without the threat of muslims the Hindus would not be such fervent followers of his. No muslim threat = no votes for BJP.

If it ever came to Nukes the economy of India would be ruined, no one would ever invest in such a country.

30 minutes ago, genie said:

Your right I used to see the sufi muslims the only ones I would really notice here and there with a very low profile. You always had malerkot muslims who been always there way before 1947 but were considered passive and friendly to Sikhs but having read up on the role of black cat police criminals how many of them turned out to be government sponsered indian punjabi muslims who killed sikh youths I have a very different view of them now.

And now the last time I went punjab I witnessed large alot of nomad gujjar muslims wandering around freely with their livestook and alot of small masjids due to muslim migrant low caste laborers from UP and Bihar who created their own little mudbrick masjids to pray in usually with the permission of their Sikh farmer employers or illegally without anyone objecting.

Punjabi Sikhs are definitely too soft being socialist and left wing in punjab, the punjabi hindu's are pretty right wing but got no balls to tackle the christian/muslim demographics properly. They Sikhs of punjab need to get right wing get Sikh nationalist and focus their energies on making the environment hostile for abrahamic adherents or convert them at the very least if they dont want a disaster happening in a decade or so to come.

Things are made worse when people like Gurdas Khan, Hans Raj Hans, Satinder Sartaj, Kanwar Grewal, Harshdeep Kaur dress up like muslims and sing Allah Hoo.