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8 minutes ago, genie said:

India has strategic military aims of why it wants to get into PoK and gilgit:

1) It needs to be there when NATO leaves afghanistan so that he can have land access to afghanistan to sure up the kabul regime in afghanistan

2) It needs to prevent the new chinese silk road and access for the chinese military above in that region.

3) It would boost india's populations morale and credibility as a strong military power willing to take risks and not afraid to take difficult decisions to combat pakistan's covert armed support in kashmir.

4) For Modi even if millions are killed in any conflict wither nuclear or not does not affect his stance because of his deeply held ideological beliefs. He would see that as collateral damage and is crazy enough to risk it all in order to defeat pakistan. Which is why pakistani establishment are worried because they cant threaten to use nukes or blackmail india any more because the moment they use a nuke india would pound pakistan with hydrogen bombs leaving it decimated.

That's too far fetched, it will never happen. The USA and USSR never used nukes during the cold war. If India takes over Pakistan Kashmir it will just have even more muslims in its country, muslims who would cause more continuous headaches. 

Kashmir is a disaster, the muslim majority Kashmir valley should have gone to Pakistan during partition and the Hindu majority Jammu should have gone to India.

1 hour ago, imhosingh said:

I go regularly to panjab and since the 80s the number of Muslims has increased, mainly due to migrant labour filling the vacuum of young panabis who have gone abroad or spend all day on drugs. My foofar once explained it elequently to me.. " you get 5, then they have 5 children, then they have 5 children and so on " that's panjab now. Never know in 20yrs there might be calls for unification with Pakistan Panjab by Muslim dominated Indian Panjab .

It doesn't even take 5 kids, even 3 will increase their numbers fast.

Most Sikhs have 2 or less kids, and if their children do the same the grandparents will have 4 grandchildren. If muslims have 3 and their children also have 3 then they will have 9 grandchildren.

9 vs 4 in just 2 generations. Here in the UK the muslim birthrate is over 3 and every other group is less than 2.

The Indian government better introduce birth control measures.

2 minutes ago, imhosingh said:

Obviously you ain't been to the panjab lately. The biggest growing demographic in Panjab is the Muslims. I've been going since the 80s and the number of green flags going up has increased rapidly. All those Punjabi youth who left for other countries have been replaced with migrant workers who are now settling in the panjab 

I went two years ago and saw loads of them in Amritsar, even had halal eateries there. It made my blood boil. We got rid of the Punjabi muslims in 1947 and now we are meekly letting these UP/Bihar muslims settle. I'm angry at the Hindus outside of Punjab who did not get rid of muslims in their states like we did. We are suffering due to their weakness.

I doubt there will ever be conventional war between these two nuclear armed states. If there ever was, Pakistan would lose and end up using a nuke and then their would be full out nuclear war.

India has nothing to gain from war, all of the big foreign investors will pull out of India if a war does occur, Pakistan on the other hand has nothing to lose.

26 minutes ago, puzzled said:

yh your average hindu like gujjus  know nothing about sikhs,  whatever idea they have is from what they see in bollywood movies  daler mehndi etc   politicians like navjot sidhu  or babe like trilochan das that comes on aastha tv    thats about it really   and all these type of people are more hindu than sikh. 

Everyone throughout the world is like that. Only focusing on the majority.

Most Sikhs don't even know that Sikhs are just 60% of the population of Punjab and that most of the rest is Hindu. Even some the Sikhs living in Punjab don't realise this, which is shocking.

It's probably because Punjabi Hindus have never got involved much in Punjabi media and showbiz.

The vast majority of them know nothing about us apart from bhangra and just consider us to be Hindus.

I can't blame some of their actions in recent times against muslims. In 1947 we drove out all of the muslims out of Punjab and therefore we don't really have to deal with their nonsense but the Hindus were too meek to do the same in other states partly because the cowardly Gandhi told them not to. On the other hand the muslims in Pakistan did throw all of them out during partition.

Muslims are also known to breed like rabbits, they have gone from being 9% of India's population in 1947 to 15% today. That is a huge increase when you consider how large India's population is. The Hindus are finally realising that they get bullied by muslims when the muslims are in a majority and now they are retaliating against muslim aggression. It's common sense and basic survival instinct. The way they have treated muslims after partition has been way too kind, they've finally woken up.

If the muslim population of India was 3% then the likes of Modi would never have gotten into power.

We should never befriend muslims as they will end up burning you. Be civil with them at work and school but never get too close. Conversion is always on their minds, even the less religious ones will try to convert you.

Look at what muslims have done to us throughout history - Killed and fought against several of our gurus, massacred our people in Rawalpindi when they wanted Pakistan to be formed, attacking our girls with grooming gangs and just 6 weeks ago they massacred 30 Sikhs in a Gurdwara in Afghanistan. 

They have always been the aggressors with us, I can't think of any time when Sikhs have started trouble with muslims unprovoked. 

Instead of befriending them we need to retaliate against them when they attack us. I really rate the Sikhs of 1947 who were outnumbered 4 to 1 by muslims in pre partition Punjab, they managed to inflict far more casualties on the muslims than we suffered. Sikhs back then retaliated with ferocity. Today's Sikhs are too busy building mosques for them in Punjab. We should have done something to get even for the Afghanistan gurdwara attack instead of meekly complaining. Once the Coronavirus outbreak is over our idiotic leaders in Delhi will go back to giving langar to their protestors. 

We should never give them support for Kashmir, it makes me very angry when I see some Sikhs marching alongside them at some pro kashmir rally. Let them fight their own battles and we can fight out own. 

Well their populations are miniscule today so I doubt it will ever happen.

I'm angry that muslims from UP and Bihar are coming to Punjab. We rightly got rid of Punjabi muslims and sent them packing to Pakistan in 1947 but because the Hindus hardly took any action against them outside of Punjab there are loads of muslims left in India and they have been coming to Punjab in recent years. My blood boiled when I saw a halal butcher shop in Amritsar a couple of years ago.

Lots of stupid apne even build mosques for them which encourages them to settle. When will we ever learn? In my opinion we should have thrown them out of Malerkotla as well.

As for the Christians that is a big fault on our part. If lower caste people were treated equally and with respect then they would not fall prey to missionaries conversion tactics.