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heera singh: "if u live in toronto let me know i can help you out"

haha vadha sevadar

NO ONEZ OURS IN THIS WORLD, ONLY SIKHI AND SIKHI SAROOP IS MOST VALUABLE. DEFEND.

we know its her not her friends, i mean c'mon!

alsoooo i tink ur 2 yung to tink bou dis stufffffff

therees a few,

i like "Defenders" which is on khalsaforce.net

Well i dont think a Amrit dhari should wear long skirts even i dont get it, is there nothing to waer that you have to go to such things?

someone with a dastar wearing a long skirt i think will look stupid anyhow, even without dastar , long skirts is for ppl who cant wear short skirts, thus tend to go to the long ones, so what's the big beauty impression you're trying to get when people know you cant wear short ones and you resort to long ones? why not just..., NOT wear them at all?

i thought this might be a funny topic, because gore really are hopeless at pronouncing apne names. (my name is uttam)

and i would say punjabi's are really hopeless at pronouncing some english names... this thread is a disgrace to "white" sikhs/non sikhs. I'm going to request this thread be closed.

reported.

hahaahha

funniest post ever

its not a disgrace, lets talk about how indians pronoucne gore names? that would be funny aswell!

notice the section its to have fun and make jokes, some ppl may find jokes offensive, etc then dont open this thread u dont have to ruin it for everyone

Wow lets see how much support this gets, when i said the same thing on the thread to a girl who was victimized i get blased for "all talk no action"

I dont even get what you said and what you're trying to ask?

Opinions about young people not following sikhism? that's a problem as we all know, but we cant do anything except just do more camps, etc this has been discussed millions of times i suggest you try searching.

I think it is mainly guys who show disrespect...they only go to the Gurudwara whenever they feel like going

Don't we "feel" like going to the gurdwara before we actually go? or do we say aww man i dont wanna go but i have to ? i dont get it

Lastly, it's a concern for most of the people, but people who actually care are actually doing something and increasing awareness and doing parchar. All we can do is do ardaas so people can go on the right path.

KHALISTANNNNN ZINDAAAAABADDD

Ha-ha-ha.

Not

this thread was pointless

People come with their little views and make a little thread about it and discourage others

Why do we need to prove ourselves and think we know more worldly knowledge than another? People disrespects shaheeds and their motives and talk <banned word filter activated> online because they know nothing is going to happen to them, Any one here cannot say 1/10000th of things they said infront of a group of khalistani's because theyll get so mad and maybe leave you a inch from death

Discussion is different, stating is different, and arguging is different

Next time we should pose our views as a question, so people dont think you are sending a message to 50000 people on what your saying

"I think we wont get khalistan because of 1)2)3)."

then "We can conquer those problems by 1)2)3)" becuase "1)2)3)...etc"

No, We have "THIS IS WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN AND THATS FINAL"

"someone proves you wrong"

We all need to stop thinking we're some smartasses who know too much.

My views

KHALISTAN ZINDABAD

KHALISTAN ZINDABAD

BULEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SONNNNNNNN HALLLLLL

SATTT SRIIIIIIIIIII AKALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

"We will get khalistan with guru's help, guru ji himself will provide us with weapons" - ISYF

The class of khalistan has gotten very big, many people have graduated and many more will graduate soon, people in smaller classes are failing and need to also join the khalistan class so they can too, one day graduate.

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I didnt read the above

But, The punj pyare jeevan was already written in a such destiny guru ji chose the perfect 5, and they did not knw and they did not need to think as guru ji had thought for the 5 pyare already. Guru ji chose those who were already chosen by Guru himself

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Yeah, but free always isnt the same worth as pay.

I'd choose ms word over openoffice anyday.

They both have their ups and downs, but try each one for a few weeks and you can tell for yourselves.

If we're using linux, and other open source, yes, using linux you'd be already hating windows, so you'd use opensource like openoffice, and all the other opensource, but openoffice, etc is good to do basic things, other than that word and the rest just overtake openoffice anyday.

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh

What bibi ji said above post is correct, but that is the core and essentials of a sikh, we all do that, once everyone obtains that level, they eventually move on onto political issues and khalistan, etc...

Look at various jathas like Babbar khalsa, etc also, although they were babbars they didnnt say ur not a babar get lost. No, they had different views, and although some people didnt agree to their views, that doesnt mean their bad sikhs, We say we need to be all one ,etc. We are one, we need to put differences aside, Differences we see in people is what sets us apart and makes us think were not one.

Jathas is not a bad thing, We need to look into these things more carefully and see what we're getting from this.

My friend told me about platoons, battalions, etc in armies, they are divided and seperated but their initial goal is the same.

In today's society and world, a few people that have similar views become known with a different name (obvious) thus, you will get "jathas, groups" etc created.

For example

Many people are khalistanis, while some are not.

Khalistan supporting people become known as "khalistanis"

So are we saying that's not right? there shouldnt be ppl that believe in khalistan?

Same way, lets say there is a jatha that believes we should fight for hakh, we should fight for people supressing religion, etc we should fight for human rights for panth etc.

However, some say we should remain silent, we should not take arms, we should not do it in an aggressive manner.

We have two different views. Jathas are made such as battalions are in armies, they are branches off a tree, yes they have different values, that is apart of human nature, but if we are stict about our rehit and sikhism, even being apart of a Jatha will not take us down.

Please dont speak of jathas like that, if yuo look around many big groups and jathas help sikhism evolve, and many jathebandis helped wake up sikh youth.

The bad thing is Castes, which is different from Jathas

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh

just do nitnem then everything will be good

i feel this whole topic is disrespect for khalistani shaheeds

You made a huge mistake.

Now, keep the baby

or else you'll make a mistake equal or even more worse then current one

I had a chance to go one day.. Gurughar was packed with sangat, just amazing.

^ thats what it means literally

but to expand on that a little bit , it means its the fauj/army that follows gurus teachings and stands up for justice, and helps people, which renders them the ultimate army

Why what will you do? What will any of you people do?

If you do find out that a guy has been harrassing or assulting a girl will any of you guys do anything?

Answer is NO, you will sit on your little internet forums and moan and whine and talk big about beating people up, but 99% of you wont actually raise a single finger or have the courage to carry out your macho comments!!

Its nice and easy to talk a big game but when it comes to actually doing something everyonnneee dissapears and its just the victim and the close family who have to deal with it.

What will you do if the guy accussed of the stuff says he didnt do it?

What will you do if all the local people and his friends say nooo he cant have done it, hes a great guy and they all support him?

What if he is your friend? Would you have the courage to question him/her or would you just think nooo hes my friend?

What will you do if he blames the girls saying that they are trying to ruin his name!?

What will you do if 99% of people say no way he cant have done it, and yet the girl is saying he did?

Answer is again ..NOTHING! if it came to putting your necks on the line and your reputation on the line in a situation like this, most of you would sit on the fence or say nothing or blame the girl/the accussers.

There is sooo much evidence of this, it happens everywhere! Little boys and girls with their heads in the clouds thinking that by posting a few emails problems can be solved!

Victims will NOT come forward in most cases cus they KNOW they will have no support, some may do cus they read the rubbish you lot post up, and then when it actually comes to doing something, you all walk away or turn against the victims cus sometimes its hard to listen to what has to be said.

For the sake of the victims of abuse, harrassment and assult, please dont act like heros and saviours unless you are actually going to do something. its not a macho thing, its not a 'gangster' thing that you can all talk big about and laugh and crack jokes. If you had been abused you would not find it funny. Victims will judge the 'saviours' on their support and action, not on 'id kick his as5' messages on the internet.

i pray for those that do help out the victims, the ones who act and not just brag and talk. when its ur sister, daughter or wife, n u hear people like you guys talking as if you know how it feels or like you actually care, or actually would do something then you will appreciate the point of this message.

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Nice post. First you diss everyone, then you talk about how Some people might help, So you think no one is going ot help but there still be some people, what if everyone who said we'll do something fit in that Some ppl group, You made yourself look like a retard, and i wont help you look even bigger. You come here with a No-Name Guest saying S behind your computer behind No name, Why dont you do something if no one else is going to do it? Do you know every single person in the world? If 5 people fail Does the 6th person ALSO HAS to fail? It seems you know a lot, but how much do you really know? You the same as us, behind a screen, What makes you more legit than us? You said victims dont post and read rubbish and think they get support, Wow good one, So i guess its better to get no-support and to continue digging a mental tunnel leading to depression ? Your post is made out of assumptios as you probaly dotn even know anyone here, and you call their offer of help as wanting to be "macho" , "gangster" , and "saviours?"

Wow look at you buddy, Mr. Clear it all up, Mr. Let me explain it to everyone I understand this situation more than anyone else.

Anyways, you had no right to say what you did, and i suggest you stfu we know your not gonna do anything, but that doesn't give you the right to assume everyone is like you.

Crying over the shaheedi of sahibzadey or crying after realizing your best friends were murdered in cold blood as Bhai Amolak Singh did,  is WAY different than crying because your feeling lonely or feeling 'down'. Do not even try to compare one to the other. I did not say crying was wrong, but in this situation deargod SUCK IT UP.  Singhs should not cry over something as stupid feeling lonely, and I seriously hope you guys arent bringing up your little brothers or cousins up in an environment were its ok to cry over every small thing.  Singhs are getting soft, and i strongly feel this is one ( not the only) reason why this is happening.  I know its 2006 and its ok to be a 'sensetive' guy but comon man ur a warrior, not Elton John ( ive noticed many England people are on this forum, so i thought id make a reference we could all relate too)

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I kind of have to agree with that, We have bigger things to worry about, we should put this loneliness bull to the side and look ahead. Lets not think about ourselves but for the panth. Lets sacrifice our feelings for a little for others. I dont know other ppl look at it, but I think we have no value (as normal pappis) and we should live with whhatever happens as guru jis wantings. All we can do is look ahead and hope for good.

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I have read most pages and replies and what i've noticed is we're only trying to solve a single case, a single victim, Kaur, Heera asked u 50 times where u live and u finally answered

Preston and a gurdwara called Guru Nanak Sikh Gurdwara

well, the reason we asked you this was so singhs can ge to the bottom of the problem, once you are out, there are more victims that will become victim to the same problem again and again.

I suggest you register a account here, and send me information such as address of gurdwara, etc, details about attacker etc, everything so these issues can be solved.

Anyone else who knows gurdwaras where things like these occur also contact me

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