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55 minutes ago, proudkaur21 said:

yes my khatri family would teach me nonsense superstitions like kanjkaan and then not eating meat on tuesday and Ive had a sour relationship with my dad because i wouldnt believe in this nonsense stuff. He would think that I'm an animal because i eat meat on tuesday! Some weird stuff. I said I'm proud to be a janwar and will eat meat whenever i like. There is no difference between any of the days. Its just superstitious nonsense.

The Khatri women I knew also kept Karwa Chauth fasts for husbands. Few Jatt women also did this but to a much lower extent. 

4 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Is this because of Covid or always like this?

Always like this 

On 1/5/2022 at 10:11 AM, proactive said:

This is no surprise. The surprising thing is that people ae actually surprised by this kind of mindset! The alignment of the liberals with the paedophile in Kashmir as well as the support he got from ALL of his community should have opened our eyes. 

https://newsmobile.in/articles/2019/08/18/the-real-idea-of-india-how-a-sikh-group-escorted-kashmiri-girls-to-their-families/

While our community safely returned thier women to their families when they were being attacked all around India, they groom underage Sikh girls in Kashmir. This should be more than enough to open the Sikh community's eyes but some people in the Panth just don't understand.  

On 7/18/2018 at 11:20 PM, ipledgeblue said:

Firstly, I think British school food should be neutral without any sacred food being served. Also please consider this topic for other countries which may have this issue, possibly Australia? Obviously this isn't a solution for schools in islamic countries!

However, as we know, some schools are forcing Halal meat.

So why don't we do a positive spin on this?

Since some schools are forcing sacred food from one religion onto students. Then why not demand langar in these schools as sikhs require their own sacred food in cases where neutral food is not available? We should seriously ask for this demand, as sacred food should not only be available for one minority.

Would be good if there was some kind of SACRED FOOD ACT / LAW  or AGREEMENT.

And since langar should not be commercial, it should be served by a sikh volunteer and should also be free, obviously open to donations. I think organisations like SWAT already have the infrastructure in place for serving langar in public. Would local gurdwaras be able to help and provide langar and volunteers for this?

The positive thing about this is that concept of langar gets out more in public, and educates young learning minds about sikhi traditions and community kitchens. And obviously anyone can partake of langar as it's free.

CAN WE HAVE SOMETHING TEMPORARY IN PLACE before the start of the NEW ACADEMIC YEAR in SEPTEMBER 2018? How can we get this out there?

Obviously I am only talking about vegetarian langar, I will post more options on forums which are more sangat orientated and more panthic.

Not an issue in Australia because most schools require students to bring their own lunches/recess from home. 

On 1/5/2022 at 12:21 AM, Premi5 said:

How old are you approximately ?

Where in Aus are you ?

I am sure that with more multiculturalism, racism is less than it was. But I know Brit Asians who have gone over and they have warned me to be wary of every going there to settle as racism is more than the UK. I heard the culture still has lots of casual racism and sexism.

I think you underestimate the closeness that Australians feel to Britain, many are only first or second gen Angle immigrants.

And with the political, societal  and educational structure similar and related to the UK (lots of private and boarding schools for example), the sort of cover ups we have had here wrt grooming and sexual deviancy, I would not be surprised if there are stories about this in increasing number in Aus in the near future. 

I think because a lot of the immigrants are/were young students from Panjab, they were/are quite heavy into Punjabi culture. But I think, just as in the UK, those who are married/have families more easily are going towards Sikhi these days ?

Yes, racism was more common before the increase of multiculturalism in Australia. 

The last major "race riot" in Australia were the Cornulla Riots (2005)  in Sydney between Middle Eastern youth and Anglo-Australians. There was already tension between the community and Lebanese youths before this event and people, particularly women, claimed to have been harassed, almost daily, by "groups of young Lebanese men" attempting to "pick them up" and describing the women as being "Aussie sluts".  

Some Australians can be "casually" racist, it's part of the culture to poke fun at certain things. 

3 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

Nanka and Dadka pinds both within Ludhiana zila. Most of my close and extended blood relatives are also. Have some family from near Fatehgarh Sahib also

I heard Fatehgarh Sahib also falls into Puadh region. 

Just now, Premi5 said:

Nice, there's several on here who are Malwai, including me. 

Great to find a fellow ਮਲਵਈ. Where are you from?

On 1/4/2022 at 9:20 PM, Premi5 said:

Yes, I think that's true. Also makes sense if Ludhiana is close to Doaba and is the major city of Panjab it would have mixed dialects. Many shehar wale came from Pakistan

And the further away from the city, the more dialect will be different

Your parents from Ludhiana ?

I'm from core Malwa region not Ludhiana. 

On 4/7/2020 at 8:12 AM, puzzled said:

tbh people from places like ludhiana, khana etc dnt sound different to people from doaba apart from a few words here and there   then again these places are not that far   amritsar dialect is quite different though     my thayee is from malwa and she says a few words different like for children instead of saying naiane  she says jwaak  lol    i thinks shes from ludhiana   

Ludhiana is an urban centre of Punjab so its a mixed bag of dialects too. Some areas of Ludhiana speak Punjabi which is closer to people of Doaba and some tehsils speak like people of Malwa. Malwa dialect of Ludhiana differs from the Malwai dialect of core Malwa region people. 

17 minutes ago, proactive said:

The irony is these Muslims are so outraged at women being offered for a fake auction ONLINE while their prophet and their religion has allowed the auction of women IN REAL LIFE for 1400 years. There are still slave auctions going on in Libya. 

Poor women (mainly Christian) continue to be sold to Chinese men as "brides" in Pakistan. 

Some Indian media outlets are now blaming Sikhs for creating that app. 

Some people have been really embarrassing at Kartarpur Sahib. 

Crushing on film actresses while on a Gurdwara visit 

'Bulli Bai' is a website that purported to offer Muslim women for 'sale', the second time in less than a year that a fake online auction of this kind has sparked outrage in India. The website was created on GitHub, an American coding platform which developers use to build and host software.

This time the app's major language is Punjabi and a turban logo. An engineering student from Bengaluru (south India) has been held by the police for questioning related to the app.

The motive is clear, whoever created this app is trying to create hate and anger against Sikhs by using the Gurmukhi script and Sikh symbols.  

https://www.afternoonvoice.com/bulli-bai-app-attempt-to-kill-two-birds-with-one-stone.html

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/archive/punjab/migration-may-have-led-to-decline-in-sikh-count-125038

Of all communities, Sikhs have reported maximum decline in population, according to the religion-based census data (2001-2011) released by the Centre yesterday.

The decadal growth rate in Sikh population was pegged at 24.3 per cent in 1991, which fell to 18.2 per cent in 2001 and further to 8.4 per cent in 2011. The fall in 2001-2011 is 9.8 per cent when compared with the 1991-2001 census — 15.9 per cent in two decades. For Hindus, the decline in growth rate is 3.5 per cent, Muslims 4.9 per cent and Christians 7.1 per cent for 2001-2011.

Aswini Nanda, demographic expert, says migration of Sikhs to countries such as the US, the UK and Canada was the main reason for fall in their population. He said a significant number of Sikhs had also moved to Italy and Australia — two new destinations for the community. Many of them are also settled in Norway and some other countries in Europe, he said.

Other reasons being cited by experts include prosperity. Sikhs were reportedly more prosperous and adopted family planning schemes earlier than others. A reason for switching to smaller families may be the shrinking land holdings, which they decided not to divide further.

The share of Sikhs in the country’s population has come down to 1.7 per cent in 2011 against 1.9 per cent in 2001. Their number is pegged at 2.08 crore — fourth on the population chart. The first slot goes to Hindus with 79.8 per cent proportion of the total population, Muslims with 14.2 per cent are placed at number 2 and Christians with 2.3 per cent are third.

In Punjab, the Sikh population has fallen to 57.7 per cent in 2011 as compared to 59.9 per cent in 2001, while that of Hindus has grown to 38.5 per cent from 36.9 per cent.

In Chandigarh, the Sikh population has come down to 13.1 per cent in 2011 from 16.1 per cent in 2001. Same is true for Delhi and Haryana. In Delhi, it fell from 4 to 3.4 per cent and from 5.5 to 4.9 per cent in Haryana. In J&K, the Sikh population stands at 1.9 per cent, in HP at 1.2 per cent, Uttarakhand at 2.3 per cent, and Rajasthan at 1.3 per cent. In almost all other states, it is varies from 0.1 per cent to 0.3 per cent.

On 1/2/2022 at 7:01 AM, Premi5 said:

Australia is sort of a 'UK-lite' with better weather and more racism...most of the 'Anglos' there have a strong 'love-hate' relationship with the UK (I reckon mostly love if they had to choose)

" it difficult for UK Sikhs to live in a country which took away Khalsa Raj and is involved in anti-Sikh activities."

I don't think most Panjabis or Sikhs really have that in mind on a daily basis. I sort of have now, after spending a lot of time here, but I think if you ask the average person on the street, they would have to think hard for those thoughts to come up. Some probably don't even know that much about the 'Sikh Empire' - I am not even sure I would call it 'Khalsa Raaj' but then some on here would maybe disagree. And others would not know how it was brought down by the British

I disagree with the more racism statement although the weather is better. I know Australia has the "racist" stereotype but its exaggerated. The "Anglos" (white people of British origins) in Australia don't think about the UK, to them it's just another place, some also want Australia to become a republic by leaving the commonwealth. 

On 1/2/2022 at 5:32 AM, dallysingh101 said:

Look sis. The government and police (!!) here helped cover up the grooming of Sikh girls for decades (and still are!), that should give you an idea of what we've been dealing with. 

Couple that with how apnay seem to live in denial a lot of the time.....

Have some respect for the brothers and sisters who didn't lay down like sheep in the face of this.

And I'm just saying be wary of that tendency of many apnay to ignore or be oblivious to stuff.   

Have you read the RASE report? If not, you should.  

Yes I’m aware of the authorities role in failing to address grooming issues and instead labelling Sikhs as “extremists” for wanting to protect underaged girls. The British media also wants to label groomers as “Asian” instead of what they really are. 

On 1/2/2022 at 5:24 AM, dallysingh101 said:

No, some UK Sikhs are an example of fearlessly resisting heavy odds, including conservative fudhoos within the panth. lol

Remember we're in the heartland of the very people who had no problem turning hordes of apnay into their b1tches in their own homeland, like this: 

 

You live in what was essentially a penal colony for this place, where they off loaded a lot of desperate poor people, murderers and rapists.  lol

The only positive takeaway from UK diaspora is the establishment of good Sikh organisations like Basics of Sikhi and Sikh Youth UK. 

On 1/2/2022 at 5:17 AM, dallysingh101 said:

No, I'm saying it looks like we've got this tendency in the community to get blinded by opportunities in the diaspora, and fail to observe phenomena going on under our noses whilst doing this. We seem arguably shallow. Focusing on folk dancing and status symbols, instead of deeper stuff.

Also, when people do actually start realising something is wrong, they tend to keep quiet about it, making the problem even worse. 

Regarding the situation in Aus. It's early days yet, but it's better people in other diasporas learn from what happened in the UK, it might help prevent it taking place there. Like an early warning radar thing. 

Agreed. UK diaspora is an example of what not to become and no doubt some 'Sikhs' are deeply engrossed in materialism. 

9 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

I think also, some people in the community are just plain blind, they don't actually see what happens behind facades like a streetwise person would. Too blinded by maya often? Which is why they came out in the first place. 

Are you calling me blinded by Maya

On 1/2/2022 at 5:00 AM, dallysingh101 said:

No, I don't think so. For some reason, I think Panjabi culture and values were more strongly promoted in the past than Sikhi - that's a big part of it, but it's more complex than just that.  

Sikhs in Australia are more recent immigrants so they’re still connected to Panjabi culture but never witnessed behaviour you described. 

Drinking is always limited to Sikh males here (in parties too, sometimes men and women segregate themselves).

11 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Where are you?  Some brash apneean have made a bimbo-hoe reputation for themselves over decades in places, and the brothers ain't been better with their drunk, bhangra paa-ing fetishes. But things are changing thankfully. Not least of all because certain people attacked the community tendency to hide every issue like it wasn't happening.....

 

 

There's been cases of some getting groomed, so no, I think you've been closeted a bit maybe? But yeah, overall Amritdhari bibian are less likely to get caught out like that.  

I am from Australia so not aware of how Sikh girls in other western countries may act. I wasn’t aware of this stereotype because it doesn’t exist here. Never heard of grooming either until I followed Sikh Youth UK. 

On 1/2/2022 at 4:47 AM, Premi5 said:

They more easily go between Hijab and no Hijab. I knew a girl at Uni who was Hijabi, then not , then Hijabi again

Yes that’s right, being an Amritdhari is a far bigger commitment than being Hijabi.  The way Sikh girls are generalised and stereotyped based on the behaviour of some UK girls on this forum is disgusting!