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When do alkis come there? yea its wrong bowing down to the chair, why didnt you grab the guy and inspire him with a sakhi so he would neva bow down to anyone but Guru Granth Sahib again??????????? Alchis go to all Gurdwaras. I see Turbaned Indians drunk off alcohol all the time. I was at ones house and saw his "wine cooler" with whiskey and rum on it with beer in the cooler, but I bet he or anyone else like this dont go to a Gurdwara. You think someone telling them not to bow to a chair will stop it? I dont know in what world. Only the first 10 Gurus had that power. We cant even tell a majority to not cut their hair, and you think telling an <banned word filter activated> to not bow to a chair will work? cha. Funny too when you say your dumb your an <banned word filter activated> your this and that but bless you.??????????? and sorry for letting you know that ???????????? People love to tell people how dumb they are and not go and observe what hes talking about. He has actual evidence and now what you dont beleive him until some drunk guy steps on your foot with his shoes on while talking on his cellphone in front of SGGS while his wife blabs her mouth off during a hukamnama?Or will his video not show enough credible evidence of the disrespect he is talking about? I beleive that anyone who cuts their hair and doesnt live from the Gurus way of life has something they hide from the rest of the Sadh Sangat or they would be a Khalsa. Pritam Singh, you're totally right, my post is offfending him and i know its not the right way, but in order to get a point across, its the only way i know. "You think someone telling them not to bow to a chair will stop it? I dont know in what world. Only the first 10 Gurus had that power. We cant even tell a majority to not cut their hair, and you think telling an <banned word filter activated> to not bow to a chair will work?" If you think this is the case, then i can tell you that we're all doomed. A Sikh is a learner, he/she tries to better himself/herself everyday and wants to live according to Guru's way. So you think it's better to humiliate them and put up videos of them and criticising them? And i don't believe we as sikhs dont' have the power to inspire people so they'll stop doing things like bowing down to idols, stop them cutting their hair etc. All it takes is a bit of love!!!!!!!!! Someone who cuts their hair and doesn't live according to Guru's ways has not got nothing to hide, just means he/she is a little more influenced by maya than you are. And if you are a sikh and do follow Guru's teachings then you should share this knowledge with everyone else and inspire. This is also Vand ke chakna, Guru Nanak said share everything (not just food) knowledge, gian, friends and everything!!! If Guru Nanak didn't share his teachings, we wouldnt be SIKHS!!!!! So it's only right that we pass on our knowledge to others and stop them from bowing down to chairs etc!! Hpoe you get my point bro

Militant Singh, Don't know who you are, but geeza seriously STUFFF YOU!!!!!!!!!!! You Obviously think you're perfect, stop going on about the Ice cream and parshad thing, sort yourself out., it was an issue ages ago, if they were still doing it, thats anotha thing!!! When do alkis come there? Next time they there let me know, Sangat aint gna put up with that. OK i saw the picture of vishkarma, you didnt see the rest of the pictures?? You obviously bit blinded mate!!!! Old Generation still believe in it, so what, we the new generation, We're moving on, why the hell you taking us back!!! They had professor surinder singh doing kirtan today for a funeral. You Got bareeeee time to waste to come on this forum and just keep on dissing the same Gurdwara, do something for once. Your a propa sad guy, go to clifton road Gurdwara and take videos hiding it under your shirt, yea its wrong bowing down to the chair, why didnt you grab the guy and inspire him with a sakhi so he would neva bow down to anyone but Guru Granth Sahib again??????????? And like i sed before you're a Joke with time on your hands, do something useful!!! Sorry for dissing you loads, but geeza, you just seem like u got nothin on ur hands!!!! Again Maf karna

Militant Singh, STUFF YOU, YOU're A JOKE NOT THE GURDWARA!!!! You didn't like that did you?? Well thats what you're sayin to The Gurdwara, even though it has Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib sitting there! It's not your local Gurdwara, you've been there once and making assumptions!! The Gurdwara has had top Jathas there, obviously not good enough for you! I didnt want to post again, but some ppl drive me mad!! SOOOOO EASY TO CRITICISE, I MEAN SOOOO EASY, WHY DONT YOU GET UP AND DO SOMETHING???????? YOU THAT BORED???? COME THIS SUNDAY AND LISTEN TO VEER MANPREET SINGH AS UNDERMINING THE GURDWARA IS TO YOU AND COME IN AND SEE FOR YOURSELF. LEARN TO INSPIRE NOT CRITICISE, EITHER THAT OR YOU MUST BE A BRAHMGIANI AND YOU'VE REACHED A STAGE WHERE CRITICISING IS OK. GUYS PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, THIS IS MY HUMBLE BENTHI, STOP DOING NINDIYA, LETS TAKE THE SIKH COMMUNITY IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION: 1- YOU INSULT, THE OTHER PARTY WILL BECOME DEFENSIVE AND CHANCES ARE ITS GONNA END IN A FIGHT WITH NOTHING RESOLVED LIKE THIS THREAD 2- iNSPIRE, TALK ON A LEVEL AND BOTH SIDES ARE LIKELY TO LEARN SOMETHING, ITS AN I WIN- YOU WIN SITUATION. THIS IS HOW BUSINESSES BECOME SO POWERFUL- NEGOTIATION And you Guys think every Gurdwara is perfect?? you obviously dont know how much politics goes in other Gurdwaras, your starting with table and chairs because you got nothing better to do, obviously got something against people who call themselves 'Ramgarhias'. If that's the case, show people the true meaning of Sikhi, the other side of the coin, and give it a generation or two and this caste system will be abolished- that's a Guarentee, you start criticising and attacking, THERE'S ONLY GOING TO BE BIGGER DIVISIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I Know the akal thakht issued all Gurdwaras to eat on the floor, but is this as significant as the number of sikhs consuming alcohol, drugs etc???????? Common pyarayooo, we're the Youth Generation, we're the sons and daighters of the greatest king there ever was, lets start with brining the sikh youth together, not apart. yes Maryada is important, but not as important as uniting the Khalsa nation like it was 300 years ago. all we seem to do these days is criticise, not work together like brothers and sisters. Forgive me for the amount of crap i've chatted but sometimes its the only way to get a point across. Maf karna Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

"There's no justification to call Gurdwaras after castes. Castes are non-existant in Gurbani and Rehit. This post show the attitude that Sikhs have towards their own religion. We all think we know better than Guruji. Any idea or discussion about reverting back to GurMaryada is regarded as backwards. Well sorry to say but Gurdwaras have to take this "backward" step in order for them to be as per our Gurus prescribed. This is not nonsense, this is highlighting the state of our community. Strong Sikhs address issues facing the Panth. One major issue we face is blatant ignorance and manipulation of Rehit Maryada. Rehit Maryada is based upon Sikh Principles enshirined in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. If the "ramgarhia" community attempted to address the issue of not getting on Gurdwara Commitees by opening their own Gurdwaras, then whats happened to them now?? Why dont they have the guts to implement Maryada, change the Gurdwara names?? They wont do this because now it is a Panthic issue rather than a personal one. When people were not allowed to become Committee members they saw this as a personal insult and that drove them to open Gurdwaras. Now the insult is towards Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji & Khalsa Panth, thats not personal so its okay to carry on the beadbi!! Their is no bigger issue to discuss than the manipulation of GurMaryada!! " Highlighting the state of our community!!! I CAN GO ALL DAY TALKING ABOUT THE STATE OF OUR COMMUNITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I MEAN LITERALLY ALL DAY, DO YOU THINK GURU GOBIND SINGH JI SAT AND WON WARS????????? You know and i know this is not the only thread like this, i was just reading another 20 threads started in the last week about the state of the community. how about getting up and doing something or discussing on a level, and understanding not just criticising, that's why the community is not moving forward. The main point i'm trying to make is the divison was started by Sikhs and its continuing because as soon as someone attacks, the other party is going to react. After this thread dies down, you're going to start another one about another Gurudwara in Timbuktoo where people wear karas on their left hand instead of the right. try to understand, and talk about solutions. Criticism can go on all day, you don't know how to use the other side of your brain and understand. Tell me this is the issue of Table of Chairs as bad as the corruption in India? or the fact that Langar was meant for the whole society and in 95% of Gurudwaras in the UK people treat it like a restaurant? You're going backwards because you're picking the smallest problems and making a hoo hooa about it. I'm not going to post again because i'll go on all day and its not going to solve anything. Just understand the practical point im making. maf karna

It's you sort of people who are taking everyone backwards, not the Gurudwaras. When the Sikhs came to this country from india and africa in the 70s and early 30/40s, no 'ramgarhia' was allowed to become a president for eg of the committee of many singh sabha Gurudwaras, this is why you see Ramgarhia Gurudwaras everywhere, the division has been caused by the Sikhs in General, don't try to pin point. I myself do not associate myself with a ramgarhia, because i'm a Sikh and thats that. I've heard of Gurudwara 1 and Gurudwara x who does this and that, but im not gonna come on a public forum and try to make a point. At the end of the day, Sikhi is there, you want to improve it, get up and do something dont just talk, talk talk talk. Thanks to the Gurudwara ive been bought up as a strong Sikh, it is the essence of the Gurudwara which helped me deal with soooooooo much in my life, which is why I defend it so much. It is my upbringing from this Gurudwara which makes me come on these forums to learn more, not to read nonsense like this. The caste concept was there 40 years ago, our youth is fortunately moving away from it, you too should move with it. Theres sooo many more issues Sikhs are faced with all you guys are doing is picking the smallest and moving back in time with it. Again Good luck to all you Guys and forgive me for my bitter language.

LOLLLLLLLLLLLL you guys are such a bunch of JOKES!!! it's unbelievable I've been going to this Gurudwara since i was a kid, and all this Baedbi such as drunks etc is a load of S***. You guys just enjoy nindiya tooooo much, carry on, you'll go far. Nothing is stopping from you sitting on the floor to eat, And somebody mentioned Soho road in Birmingham also has table and chairs as does loads of other Gurudwaras around the country. And all this about picture of Vishkarma around the Gurudwara, Go into the Gurudwara, its one of the Few that have portraits telling stories of our Gurus. All i wanna say is you Guys are screwed up, you've been there once and you're making Judgements, the Gurudwara has Veer manpreet Singh diwan every sunday which the whole Sangat loves http://www.ektaone.com/audio/ There's some top kirtanis that perform there. Judge all you like, i been going there since i was a kid, If you wanna do nindiya GO AHEADDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry for my words, but its just amazing how you talk about this Gurudwara like its a place of gossip and drunks, but you dont realise ITS NOT and the GOSSIP IS GOING ON RIGHT HERE!!!!!!!!!!!! Good luck Maf karna