Bhajan_preet

iAudio's X5 is the BEST! If you're going for quality, then that's the way to go. Link

Still, if you're not going for super-awesome quality, I really like the Archos AV 500 (NOT 700; video quality is really bad on that, I hear). I like all the features that this thing provides. Link

But, still, I have to admit, iPods aren't that bad; in fact, I really like their interface. I would suggest iPod video, since it has video support duh. Link

They all come in different sizes and variations, so you should be able to find a good product for whatever price you're looking for.

If your sis likes him and wats to come into sikhi just because of him her sikhi will be false and will achieve nothing by this.

Not necessarily; it depends on why she's coming into Sikhi. She could be:

1) Going into it because she wants him to like her (which is the bad one), or

2) She's inspired by him (which is the good one :| ).

That's awesome! Kudos.

What format are your e-mags going to be in? Just wondering.

I wouldn't compromise with a patka... I guess in the end it's still going to be your choice, and I'm totally un-educated in these matters, seeing as I'm not getting married anytime soon. But still we are supposed to wear a dastaar... we do have to wear it. Don't compromise your religion for this; I'm sure Guru Ji will help you find a way if you stay true to him. Just my view, hope everything works out for you however you decide to do it.

Amrish Puri (Mola Ram from Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, and coolest villain ever! )

I'm not trying to say that that's what Guru Nanak Dev Ji was telling us; I'm just trying to find out what "ik oankaar" means. I agree with what you said about us being one with God, but is that what "ik oankaar" itself means? I don't want to create a huge debate about this, it's not as if it really matters. We can both agree that somewhere in gurbani it says both that God is within all things, and that there is only one God.

At Wikipedia, if you click on the link for "Transcendence (religion), the concept that God can be either close to you or very separate from you," the first line is, "In religion, transcendence is a condition or state of being that surpasses, and is independent of, physical existence." And I can't find any reference to God being close or separate on the page either.

I didn't mean to say that you actually said we were God or something; in fact, I was trying to show that you didn't mean to say that, and that by the definitions you gave, that's the weird/messed up/bizarre/odd/peculiar/queer/strange conclusion I came up with.

I'm kiiind of getting where you're going now :| Pardon my repetitive disagreements, it's all in good humor... but where did you get the definition of "onkar" being existence?

That doesn't really make sense...

Where'd you get that definition of transcendence? That's not what it means, not according to dictionary.com. It actually means being supreme or "being above and independent of the material universe."

Being independant of the material universe would mean that God can't possibly be within us, right?

And by the Mandukopanishad's definition, that would make us God..? "That which was, is, will be, is all Onkar." So, we "are", present, so we're Onkar? Okay, fine, but then it goes on to say that that which triple transcends is Onkar, too, meaning that which is uber supreme is also Onkar, so that refers to God, I'm assuming, making God and us the same, or is it meaning that there's something above God which puts God and us together? Or does triple transcend mean something else, not referring to God? I'm probably confused... Could you explain better?

Hmmm, don't really have favorites; there's waaay too many tracks, lol. Go for Toronto Samaagams in July (that's the largest that I go to), like Saturday Morning or something (though, that might be longer), and go for a year where there are good keertanees :| (though, again, that might make it longer lol).

lol, if you want AKJ, you're always going to get huge files likke that :| You could download and put them all together, but I'd rather just make a playlist. What do you need this for, CD audio? Because that'd be a lot of CD's...

Guru Ji's Sipahi, lol, you're right. I was going to point that out, but I had said I was done with this thread. I realize that was really stupid of me to say and childish, so, yay, I'm back.

I also realized after I reread this thread with a more fresh mind that the choice in the poll is:

As one with GOD

So... now I'm confused as to what the problem is. He was LIKE one with God, but not God. I dunno, I'm totally foncuzzled...

Pakandi baba, where did Guru Gobind Singh Ji say that? Not doubting what you said, I'm just wondering.

Sikhs are a minority in the world, so that means we should just give up? Wow, you're a genious...

Are you in your senses ?

When did I say the above words ? By minority I meant YOUR views in your own poll that Sikhs should not go to war for Khalistan in which you got just 20% (minority support).1 vote was definately yours and 2 others .

Why do you have to ask if I'm in my senses? Just because you didn't understand what I meant to say doesn't mean I'm going crazy or something, okay? You said:

Despite your views being in minority you are arguing for you point.

I meant that, okay, so what? If I'm a minority, how does that mean I shouldn't argue my point? Sikhs are a minority compared to other religious groups in the world, so we should just give up Sikhi, if we did what you told me to do with Sikhism as well.

Hahahahahahah!!! What kind of answer is that??? "How Khalistan is to be achieved and what strategy is to be adopted need not be told openly to all by those who are working for it."

What is there to laugh ?Strategies are never discussed in public.Last the agitation was crushed due to outside infiltration .Sikhs of GOI infiltrated the kharkoos as a result these mukhbirs let to killing of many good Gursikhs and top leaders.

Military strategies are not discussed in public; political strategies are. Think about it, they have to be; they need public support of it. You're saying that these planners are planning a war??? If they're planning a war, they need a lot of people. If they need these people, we need to know there is a war, or how are we going to be there for it? Please, I ask for at least 10 days notice before you call me to go off to war, to finish up some business here, okay? Thanks :wub:

And there should be at least someone saying "Something is happening" or else how are we supposed to know? Imagine if there were like 10 parties planning something, and all the plans would get screwed up because of interference by the other 9 parties.

Further if there is some outside movement you'll know about it.

Like I said earlier people like you born outside Punjab ,dont even know A,B,C of situation in Punjab,present and past ,perhaps you never intend to live in Punjab ,just try to argue on a topic like Khalistan with which you are not even remotely connected just for the sake of argument .

I'm arguing, like I said, to show you that there's no need of it, so you don't waste your own time :| And, like I said, tell me about the situation, then, and maybe I'll listen. How am I supposed to know all this stuff, okay? I live in the US, there's lots of stuff going on here and in my life as well, I don't always have time to check the news in Punjab. So let me know what's happening; I asked you for information like this before, too. IF there's some good information that supports your argument actually, then I'll listen.

I ask you one thing : do you know what Anandpur Sahib resolution of 1973 is ? or have you heard these words for the first time ?

I dont like to talk with ignorant kids who dont even know their puratan Sikh history and what has been done in the last decade about Khalistan .

I gotta admit, you are a very bad influential leader, bad explainer, and bad listener. I told you before I don't know a lot about the topic and if you give me good backup to what you're saying I'll listen. I'll forgive you for being mean to me when I already asked you for information like this, so now, tell me what this is, then, hmm..? And what's been done in the last 10 years, hmm..?

Actually Khalistan doesnt need support of people like you who have no interest in Punjab and will never live and will never give any sacrifice in case your religious places are defiled,Sikhs in India are killed or even if Sikh woman are dishonoured.

You don't need my support, but you need me to shut up so that other people don't start listening to me, so don't tell me stuff like this that doesn't support your argument at all, okay? If you want to stop arguing, stop posting; what kind of comment is that to make?

You think more than 10 year long armed Sikh struggle started without trying peaceful means earlier ?

Which struggle are you referring to? And wasn't there a time when we were actually given the chanace to get Khalistan peacefully?? You know so much of our Sikh history, right, so you should know that.

People like you will still continue to say let's forget the past and there is no need for a Khalistan.

You haven't given me a reason for Khalistan as of yet, so why wouldn't I say that?

I'm sure he did it November Toronto 2005. Check AKJ.org for the file.

By slander, LionChild meant to say that you were making fun of them, not that you were making any fake remarks, that's what I'm trying to say. We never said you made false statements. That's what I was trying to explain.

My bad, LionChild! I don't know why I wrote that...

No I wasnt actually if you had bothered to read the thread you would have understood we talking about conversion tactics, and the nonsense of Islam and Hindu thought.

Ummm... I never said you were doing anything. What do you mean by "No I wasn't"? And no, I didn't bother reading the entire thread, it's too long, I just normally focus on what people say; you said something wrong in my opinion, so I voiced my views, okay? But I'll say sorry, because I didn't know what the topic is about.

Even still, the whole fighting fire with fire concept is bogus, though my example was more extreme, it's still idiotic to fight back against a ridicule that they don't understand by ridiculing them. Wouldn't it be better to just explain to them? Or to just ignore it? Why cause tensions, tensions that don't solve anything? What have you solved by your concept?

Slandering means FALSE statement I didnt make up anything, people got mad that I exposed it {To deprive of shelter or protection}

Okay, dude, check this out:

slan·der (slndr)

n.

1. Law. Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation.

2. A false and malicious statement or report about someone.

v. slan·dered, slan·der·ing, slan·ders

v. tr.

To utter a slander about. See Synonyms at malign.

v. intr.

To utter or spread slander.

So, the verb means to utter slander, and slander means either of the first two, so you're correct, but if we're talking about what LionChild said, then you're wrong because she said it first, OKAY? Just admit it for ONCE!

Unless I'm totally wrong and you guys were again talking about something I didn't know (ie, you were actually the one who said it first, waaay before in some other thread, in which case I don't mean to cause any harm, just ignore this I guess).

I don't think the fire vs fire idea is good, and I was trying to show it in that way, referring to all the Sikhs that have been killed by Muslims in the past. With your theory, we should be going out to kill them, too, no?

So, ummm... how many Muslims have you killed with your fire vs fire ideas? Just wondering.

You got it wrong:

"I am also very annoyed by your repeated comments."

I'm not annoyed at all by my comments

Sikhs are a minority in the world, so that means we should just give up? Wow, you're a genious...

My poll's not in the favor, though everyone has posted saying "I'd rather do something other than war." They'll go for war if there's a plan, I think. I was going to make a new poll, saying, RIGHT NOW, WITHOUT A PLAN, but then, as I said, I don't feel like spending too much time on a topic like this...

Nobody's asking me to do anything, sure, but I don't think people should waste their time on this, either. I'm doing this for you! :|

Hahahahahahah!!! What kind of answer is that??? "How Khalistan is to be achieved and what strategy is to be adopted need not be told openly to all by those who are working for it."

That basically tells me NOTHING is being done. You just want to cover it up. Really, if there is a plan, tell me, I don't know much about this topic, try to enlighten me, so I may join your cause; so far, though, I haven't received ONE good reason why I should do anything for Khalistan.

And don't ever say I'm not a Sikh. You're making idiotic comments now with no backup or anything.

ਉਡਹੁ ਨ ਕਾਗਾ ਕਾਰੇ ॥ ਬੇਗਿ ਮਿਲੀਜੈ ਅਪੁਨੇ ਰਾਮ ਪਿਆਰੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ouddahu n kaagaa kaarae || baeg mileejai apunae raam piaarae ||1|| rehaao ||

So fly away, black crow, so that I may quickly meet my Beloved Lord. ||1||Pause||

Manpreet Singh does it here somewhere, I just can't remember exactly where...

http://akji.org/media/uk/2004/smagam2004/s...0804/satrs.html

If it's not there, I know it's definitely sometime during that samaagam, so here's the link to that, too:

http://akji.org/media/uk/2004/smagam2004/smagam2004.html

It's AKJ style.

ਰਸਕਿ ਰਸਕਿ ਹਰਿ ਕੇ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਉ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

rasak rasak har kae gun gaao ||1|| rehaao ||

Sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord with loving affection and energy. ||1||Pause||

I didn't bother reading the entire post.

But you said "If we don't get Khalistan soon, bah blah blah is gonna happen"

Do you have a plan for getting Khalistan soon? If not, do something else about it that's realistic!!!! And if you do... well, then, what is it?

I'm not going to say more, I'm kind of annoyed by this Khalistan topic, but I feel a need to voice at least this much of my opinion.