G13RPS

he rescued the gurdwara and has transformed this into a world master piece.

We have some of our fellow brothers saying that the current committee does not do anything panthic,. As for Panthic , we have regular Kirtan, Paath and religious lectures. If this is not panthic please tell me what is.

World master piece yeah right, if it was a master piece then why is only a few years there as so many faults with the gurdwara. I agree about the master piece but how much sangat you see there that are not taking pictures of it? Why is it theres more sangat in park avenue then the new one? Why did the old gurdwara have such a nice feel even if it was old whereas this doesnt feel likeit

Kirtan + paath makes a gurdwara. lectures where??? never seen it never heard it mmmm you sure?

well i speak both everywhere

i even teach the words to different ppl.

got shocked once at work with a 85 year old lady says "singh sahib tusi amritsar ga ha?" mmm answered yes :wub:

then she told me she spent 5 years in amritsar and the washer messed up her wedding dress lol

I think you need to listen to the whole interview before you put out that fake recording.

Think you need to have a look at you so called SOni and think wat has he done for the youth.

Simple Question does the gurdwara need to change for the better? If so can this be done under the current party?

Dal Khalsa came into being at Gurdwara Akal-garh, Sector 35, Chandigarh in 1978, after zail singh and rajiv gandhi had given their instructions they headed back to Delhi, the rest is history. Thats when they carefully carried out a pre organised plan to throw cows heads into mandirs and hoist a khalistan flag in Sri Harimandir Sahib complex and kill hindu bus passengers at the same time they had Jagjit Singh Chohaun in England underneath the khalistan banner pretending to make passports and currency. They made the problem seem bigger than it was, so India had the excuse they needed to massacre us. In reality Jagjit Singh Chohaun and Dal Khalsa didnt even have 1 % of the punjabi population with them. Ragiv Gandhi, Zail Singh, Jagjit Singh Chohaun, Kesar Singh Mand and Indira Gandhi are four fingers and one thumb of the same hand, the hand of INDIA.

You alll are wrong about Dal Khalsa heres the quick think about it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dal_Khalsa

all i got to say the only way to get soni out is just plain in simple vote him out but you would know that the ballet ppl are gona be dodgy too lol

well i even pay for your postage lol

does having a baby brings u closer or does it apart u from eachother.....

closer i would think but there are other consideratiosn to take place tooo ie money/ ideas etc

Has anyone heard our Punjabi Media giving any news on this? I havent heard anything yet.

I also heard that the opposition party is trying to propose changes to the constitution:

- Main point in this being: The Pardahan, The General Secretary, and the Accountant (Khajanchi) of the Gurudwara wont be able to stay in power for more than 2 terms (i.e 4 years).

I heard that the current party is ensuring that this doent even get a mention.

Has anyone heard about this?

yep thats why the ardas happened with saying the end of the meeting inside!

I didnt say it was wrong have i ak47, i said these issue of meeting in gurdwara always get loud its standard. do you see any singh without a voice we got the bigggest out of the whole lot

Has anyone heard our Punjabi Media giving any news on this? I havent heard anything yet.

I also heard that the opposition party is trying to propose changes to the constitution:

- Main point in this being: The Pardahan, The General Secretary, and the Accountant (Khajanchi) of the Gurudwara wont be able to stay in power for more than 2 terms (i.e 4 years).

I heard that the current party is ensuring that this doent even get a mention.

Has anyone heard about this?

yep thats why the ardas happened with saying the end of the meeting inside!

I didnt say it was wrong have i ak47, i said these issue of meeting in gurdwara always get loud its standard. do you see any singh without a voice we got the bigggest out of the whole lot

also i got the papers you need read them then your understand

Prabhjoyt Singh, the reason why Mand is a Gadhar, is because he lied to Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale Ji when he interviwed him before the attack in 1984. In the video of the interview he is telling Sant Ji 'I tell you within the Guru's hazoori that not a single window of the indian high comission will stay unbroken and the Indian High comissioner will not stay alive!' which turned out to be a total lie.

The Sant told Kesar Mand on the film that' that they cant kill me with bullets they will need canons.' Obviously Mand gave this information to the Indain goverment because they brought tanks and canons with them in reserve as a back up measure when the intelligence agencies told them they wouldnt neded them.

It is because of people like Mand that so many innocent people got killed on that much of a large scale. And now the man creeps up from nowhere to try and take control of the largest sikh institution out of india... No where to be seen in the early 90's when the gurdwara was in so much debt (£2.2Million).. when Bank of Baroda where so close to reprocessing the gurdwara.

All Mand is doing is shouting about the YOUTH, and a few braindead puppets are bowing to him saying that he listens to the youth...and how he should be voted in. A man who Lied to Sant ji to his face...has he fulfilled his promises that he made to him? NO! Then how do you expect him to fulfil promises of listening to Southalls Youth?

This is not just lies on a internet thread...what im saying is fact and it is about time the sikh youth of Southall wake up and see the bigger picture of Mand and his party's intentions.

Heres the video if you havnt seen it.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKvp211l0C4

Dil Apna Khalistani, you sound such a fool u know that. was you at the meeting? If you was then tell me why in the ardas the gaini said this is the end of the meeting????why was himmit soni shouting on the mic like he was mcing lol. think about it they didn’t even want to discuss anything? Personally I think you need to get some heart surgery done because you don’t even know the full meaning of Khalistani. get your facts straight son. go and do some research if might help. FOOL

It works only if you dont get forced into it. You need time to speak to the other half and see them too. get to know little and thats it go head with your answers. If you think after a few conversations its the one then go for it:D

Yep i been on the tour (with another group) and loved every bit of it. its recommanded. If you wana get to the grass root i would say go cause the gurdwara are untouched and dont have marble everywhere so you see them in orginal state. However there is alot of improvements happening with the sangat going to pakistan. pm if you need more info.

may they rest in peace young ones

yep but this is a worldwide issue. In USA they take guns etc in so aint that bad. What needs to be done is a outside body needs to take control and not a party that runs it already for the meeting. It has to be in a hall not in a gurdwara.

if you ppl found it pathetic why didnt you stand up and say something? Didnt you find it pathetic when in the ardas the closed there meeting?

face to face as in if we was, educated mmm think im well educated as it goes, all im sayin you defo need more education about this matter. Disrespecting the maryada, where have i disrepected it???

own really and mr soni lets in booze and fags into the gurdwara thats cool?

its like saying your goin out with your mates to a meal or lets say a club? Have i been yes to a meal and clubs. At the meal place did they sell booze? mmm yes they did. did i order mmm no i didnt!

Have you been to a football game, mm there is smoke and booze around there, did i watch a match yes i did :wub: did i drink booze or smoke no i didnt.

Does the doctor singh give me meds mmm yes he did, is he a drug dealer mm no he aint.

simple

Avtare mand aint on the committee, scam 2 million yeah right ask mr soni n his new land rover.

have you even been to pakistan, see the state of the gurdwara at? there is a vast improvement taking place with the jahtas going to pakistan and helping the gurdwaras build.

go and see and go again after two years and see youll see a vast improvement.

ok where in the rehat meryada has it written anything about meat???

Sant Ji never even said anything about meat did he? You need to get to knwo the ppl that knew Sant Ji and ask them?

Dil apna Khalistani, 1st you dont know anything mate. im saying this straight up to you face to face. are u khalistani, really then you need to get some research done big time cause you defo need it?

If you got problems with Mr Mand then come and ask him at the gurudwara today at 4 park ave as theres a members meeting there 2day. If you dont believe then may i ask you why is some much of the youth gona vote his party? Why do alot of singhs come and see Mr Mand for advise? If he wasnt a true Khalisatan then why would he be so involved with the sikh?

Harjap, all i can say have u seen the full video of the recording of the interview? Dont think you have? You have no idea of what went on the eve of the attacks of 84. If this video was for the indian government then how come most ppl in the Uk hav this video? Do you think they would let this out for the sake? think about it, would fbi let out anything about something about Bin ladin that will help them into the public??? All im gona say get any youth that spoken to him and know him and then youll find a answer, they will vote this party.

Do you listen to akasah radio, aint there recordings of the other party? All i got to say where ever you go a conclusion of mand been a Traitor, u need to think hard about it?

ok lets look at the gurdwaras payslips mmm why are there two payments for the gainhs? etc. look at the cost why is it gravesend gurdwara is more half the cost yet holds 2 football pitches and a gurdwara twices as big then Havelock road?

Lets make it then why was the Constitution of the gurdwara changed under mr soni? ill let you think about it?

Lets look at the other party now, ow many of them own or used to own businesses that sells fags and booze???

Everyone has to make a living thats what im saying. Lets say i was in transport and i had a contractor to ship booze around the country and another to ship charity toys around and make money. does that make me a wrong singh? i dont think so? MMM singhs own alot of buinesses, hotels, bars, clubs, etc dont think they are wrong if they make a living?

also forget to tell you Sant Ji knew there was gona be attacks well before the attacks took place, one of his speechs before the attacks say singhs need to pick up there swords and guns. Why did Sant Ji say this cause he knew! Sant ji also say that singh should be trained with guns as its the morden day of the kirpan, y cause he ssaid that if i was standing ere with my kirpan and someone stand with a gun face to face oa distance apart then who do you think will do more damage me running at you with my kirpan or me standing there with a gun pointing at you? Things like this is y the Sant Ji force had guns with them.

What are you talking about SSM, you are being to fundamental or is that MENTAL!! lol. Look in 84 lots of bad bwoys were with the Sant they werent all into maryada. Just because Mali sells drink and stuff it doesnt really mean he is against maryada you have to move with the times. If we dont we will get left behind. If people dont want Mali's booze.......simple dont buy it! It's a free country! I used to think like u but I came to my senses

totaally agreee with you. Like i come along n push a beer glass in your mouth? wat would u do

A) have it,

B) Say no

C) kick my <admin-profanity filter activated>

simple noone gona force u to take it

I agree with you 100% ssm this is totally against maryada. These people are selling us out, trying to use the panth's names to get votes! no chance.I have just watched this video of Kesar Singh Mand lying through his back teeth to Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Khalsa Bhindranwale. I am in total shock, this man must of been sent in by the Indians just before operation bluestar to find out what the Sant was planning to do and how he planned to defend himself.

The Sant told Kesar Mand on the film that' that they cant kill me with bullets they will need canons.' Obviously Mand gave this information to the Indain goverment because they brought tanks and canons with them in reserve as a back up measure when the intelligence agencies told them they wouldnt neded them.The Sant tells him if the government attack our sacred shrine dont stay asleep. He is telling Sant Ji 'I tell you within the Guru's hazoori that not a single window of the indian high comission will stay unbroken and the Indian High comissioner will not stay alive!' which turned out to be a total lie. Obviously he was trying to convince the Sant that there will be mass risings against the high comission so he could influence the Sants policy.If only Sant Ji were here today I am sure he would of had a fitting reply for Kesar Singh Mand.

Mand is just another name in a long list of lying traitors. If he can lie to Maharaj and Sant Bhindranwale how can he tell the truth to the sangat. The akal takhat should investigate his role in operation bluestar. He is not a sardar he is a GADHAAR. If it werent for sell outs like him and Badal operation bluestar probably could of been avoided.Now he pops out of nowhere and tries to take over a Guru ghar, what about his promises to our Guru and our Sant. Boycott this traitor and his group.Thanks G13RPS for bringing the video to my attention.I will upload this video tonight everyone watch it.

Excuse me but i think what these allegations that your making against Mr Mand are Lies.

No he wasnt even sent in by india government. He was just there at the time and had his camera with him and decided to do this. He has no links with badal, If you really believe that his a traitor what are your facts? Study the video properly and you would see that Sant already knows that he will be attacked listen to it properly.

The fact is completly different if you look at the facts and see what he talks about it. I dont think ppl of the whole khalistan whole movement. If you knew then you woulld know he aint part of the bullyshitter that are part of our society today.

Dil apna Khalistani get your facts striaght before you accuse anyone of been a Gadhaar.

hes got a pretty nice website :wub: shame the sikh one isnt up to the other portofolia standards.

ppl get the facts and then we jugde!! simple as

I havent got the video right now but i need to dig deep for it and then convert it as its on vhs format. ill try n get soon but not yet as im building my sis pc and its a pain in the back ....

http://www.damdamitaksal.com/his_jath_14.htm the pic of him is there and that time was the video was shot so ill try n get it hopefully

I feel for you too, i lost two very close mates last year and year before that. it still hurts. All i can say memorys will not go away but you need to deal with them by doing path, kirtan, etc and also keep yourself buzy too.

I feel soo sorry after reading this report, i do feel for the rest of the sikh around the world and i think only things could get better. I think i am gona start to do charity for things like this. donate maybe gurmukh books, etc to them.

your stuck with your wife for this life and stuck with God for eternity. I would't want to tick off the eternal partner :wub:

do what you gotta do man. It's all a game, some play by the rules, some don't. some know the rules and ignore them some don't know the rules and live in ignorance. some are told the rules and don't believe them, some make their own rules.

But you cant do the same things with God that you can do with your wife........

................i better keep my mouth................

....... hope God has a sense of humour :D :wub:

LMAO