Shaheed Singh Khalsa

The Budha Dal Jathedar was in the UK recently..why didnt anyone attempt to approach him directly and ask him about Nidar Singh ?? Apparently from what i've been hearing at least 4 of the apparent signatories of the excommunication letter say they didnt sign it ?? Some clarification here is needed. If it turns out the letter is a fake...it's rather shameful and embarrasing for all concerned...If you want expose someone at least be clean yourselves...

You keep repeating yourself like a cute little parrot! Do you want a cracker?

I think the following two guys hit the nail firmly on its head!! Also if you follow the Facebook link to the page which states some "detailed" list about the "Hindu genocide in Punjab" and all the Hindus killed along with dates and locations, you quickly realise that Bharat mummies propagandhi machine is in full swing at the moment! I wish they would give us the list of all the innocent men, women and children they killed in fake encounters during the 80's, 90's and 2000's.

Sergio Ramirez -

"Operation Bluestar was done on a major Sikh religious holiday. It was done on the martyrdom anniversary of Guru Arjan, the man who founded the Golden Temple. Why did the army attack on this day, when they knew the temple would be packed with innocent devotees?

Why did the soldiers defile the temple by smoking and drinking alcohol in the priests' quarters? Why did they burn the library, which contained valuable manuscripts? Why did they loot valuable artifacts, which have yet to be returned, and have shown up on the black market?

What was the need of bringing tanks into the temple complex, to fight men armed with guns?

Why was the Indian army rehearsing an invasion of the Golden Temple, up to two years prior to the attack? This is before Bhindranwale's men had assumed position within the temple.

Why did government officials provide round up goons to burn down Sikh homes and businesses, and kill innocent Sikhs across India. These government officials provided the goons with voter lists that had addresses of Sikhs. The government officials are now high ranking members of the Congress Party.

Why is there an active cover up? Jaswant Singh Kalra was kidnapped and killed by police. His only crime was exposing the systematic killing and cremating of Sikh youth across Punjab, by the police. Mass-graves of innocent Sikhs, killed by government led goons have been discovered. Instead of investigations, the whistle-blowers have been harassed.

Kishori Lal, "Butcher of Trilokpuri", went on a killing spree of innocent Sikhs, in 1984. He stabbed them to death. The government has pardoned him. Meanwhile, they are trying to give Balwant Singh Rajoana the death sentence. Rajoana didn't even kill anyone. He was just an accomplice in the assasination of Chief Minister Beant Singh (the man who ordered the mass killings of innocent Sikh youth across Punjab). Why the double-standard?"

Freddy Mercury -

"The article has missed the most important facts of this episode.

1- Indira Gandhi attacked the holy temple on a major religious festival for Sikhs. This was on purpose to humiliate them the most.

2. Hundreds of millions of dollars worth of gold and diamonds were catalogued and stolen by the government from the toshakhanna within the complex, in which it acknowledges was taken by them. Many of these were priceless gifts from kings and emperors and the common man thoughout Sikhism's history from Iraq to Thailand and everything inbetween.

3 The Central Sikh Library, Sikh History Research Board, Guru Granth Sahib Research Center and theology sections of the complex were ransacked and burned, this included tens of thousands of historical Sikh documents spanning more than 500 years.

4. And the zealots you proclaim were youths who were sick and tired of being treated 3rd class citizens in there own country. I remember myself as a University Student in Punjab in the late 1970's and police and army regularly going though Sikh student dorms, stopping us from traveling from one city to the other, and taking many of my friends from even their lectures, never to be seen again! Only reason they were of the Sikh faith.

5. 5000 years of India being slaves from different nations and invading armies it was the Sikhs who efficiently ended all invasions from the strategic Kyber Pass region. Sikhs paid majority of Indias taxes, grew the most food in India (and still do) and were still subjected to discrimination decades before 1984 ever since Indias independence in 1947. Indias nice juicy pay-back was 1984.

6. Indian Government has killed more than 300 000 Sikhs 1980-1994. And the hindus that were killed were done so by "black cats" and indian intell. services for the purpose of a erasing a strong popular opinion for Sikh freedom fighters.

7. The pilgrims were never taken hostage by the Sikhs within the temple, it was the Government who had done so, you should look it up kay, I bet you have a shiny computer infront of you.

Comon' Jhonny - everybody knows this... the government of india the hindus and sikhs... here,there and in Punjab, no secret buddy. Its just you need some help with your facts, its okay. its okay.."

where are we with this situation??

Niddar and his cult have no credibility. The funny thing is when they started their 'hatti' they used to go on about how the Singh Sabha were lackeys of the British and yet his chelay and their organisations beg for money from the Lottery fund!

Yeah so true paaji, 'Nang Nadar Sin' and his pawns are making a small fortune off of the gambling money of the 'colonialists' that they supposedly hate so much. Potentially that along with their funding from their masters from "you know where" must mean 'the last living gidar' is well on his way to being the next "who wants to be the next crorepati". Shame all that money cannot buy him any credibility (or a personality).

Waheguru

Indians really need to stop watching that nonsense called 'Bollywood' because I think its rotting their brains. These guys honestly don't realise how stupid they (their politicians) look to the rest of the world! Seriously comical.

This is exactly why I drink Almond Milk! Waheguru bless the souls of those poor infant animals.

Waheguru

Waheguru

Bhai Shaib please do ardas for me! I am the dust on your feet and hope my words did not offend you or make you think of me as anything less that your younger brother who has much to learn from you.

Christians have had 2000 years to perfect their patter and they still need to lie to get their message across! I love Bhai Sahibs parchar, always makes me proud of Gursikhs.

People need to grow up and should be ashamed for themselves for making this video. I am sure no senior gurmukhs or puratan gurmukhs would approve of this video. I have managed by maharaj kirpa, spent countless hours writing posts here, pointing out serious methodology theological issues with nihang niddar singh parchar on website then we have immature/insulting video(insulting bana, ram avtari pursh) ruining everything. It's sheer ignorance/arrogance/paranoia piece by right wing nut bars..if such insult was thrown like the video above was thrown infront of sant gurbachan singh khalsa bhindranwale, these right wing nut bars sure be summoned/ scolded by mahapursh and off course it will be exploited by left wing nut bars, some old game who suffers? Guru's bana suffers along with sangat..!!!!!!!!

I have news for all - sikhi isn't left nor its right wing, take your pathetic squabbles/bias else where...instead of hijacking gurmat and super imposing itself on it like it was people's father property..!!

Paaji, you always make really valid points on this forum (and I say the following with the utmost respect), but you always seem to do your points an huge injustice, when you start mixing in insults and person attacks! If we look at the 3HO thread I started a week or two back, where all I did was ask a question in the title about 'Friends or Enemies in Friends clothes' and followed it up with a link to bhai Gursants long and informative article along with what I belived were valid concerns about Sikhnet (the largest Sikh website in the world) that was controlled by people who had been highlighted as possibly having ulterior motives and shady backgrounds. In this thread you wrote numerous posts insulting this wing, that wing, nutbars, hippies, hyper this and that whereas along came Bhai Humkire and did us all proud by, first answering the question at hand and then going on to explain his feelings and thoughts in a calm and rational fashion. Just an observation for you my brother.

I thought it was funny! I didn't really clock on the bana and Ram element, but take the point as very valid! On the flip side though, we must also look at the many many people that insult Guru Sahibs bana when they walk around with red dots on the foreheads, or go to the ganges and do havans, or consume sharab and meat on Gurdwara premises, or drink cannabis milkshakes, or bow to large statues/idols, or only agree to marry their offsppring to someone of the same caste as them... & the list goes on and on! - We must also actively do something about these insults too!

India must be really worried if the thing they what to use as a bargaining chip in such as large/lucrative deal is the thorn in their sides i.e. the Sikhs!

One has to wonder what organisation or group of individual's lined Mr Jonathan Kay's pockets for that loads of nonsense!

Some great points rasied by Bhai Amardeep Singh

Haha! "You say Tomayto, I say Tomato" - Lets call the whole thing off :-P

Its only insulting to Nadar Ram and his band of merry pawns!

I vote the Sangar rename captain caveman "Nadar"

Homeland?? Do you mean Hindushatan??

They aren't gonna be able to erase nish my brother! The panth has been through plenty, as history has shown the whole world and we always bounce back stronger. It's time to hold any puppet that claims to be our leader to account and start outing the snakes.

Waheguru

Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru

If that does stir your soul, then wow!

Paaji, what was your summary of the event and the topics covered? Did the MP's commit to anything of significance? What was the main objectives of the event over all and we're they met in your opinion? What we're the conclusions everyone took away from the day? and did the next steps get agreed?