jayd

It is possible that Guru Nanak Dev Ji went all the way into Europe. Only Waheguroo knows. The history of Gurus Udasis is very vague when it comes to places away from the subcontinent.

I have heard this report before, and someone suggested that the pillar might have been erected by Sikh Soldiers stationed there during the world wars.

What do you guys say: Good learning tool or Beadbi?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idVudZfux4o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-R81_Vwssw

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/northco...1mi9turban.html

A turban-wearing Rancho Bernardo medical school student claims he was discriminated against when he was turned away from a popular college hangout.

The bar in Orange County has a “no hat” rule.

But Sanjum Paul Singh Samagh, an American-born Sikh, said he tried to explain to the bar owner that his black turban was a centuries-old religious symbol, not a fashion statement.

Samagh, a Stanford University graduate, has now joined forces with a national civil rights organization demanding a public apology and a policy change from the Pierce Street Annex bar in Costa Mesa.

“It may be a small thing, just getting into a bar to have a beer with my classmates, but it's the tiny things in life that add up,” Samagh said. “If I don't fight the fight, then what happens the next time?”

His classmates at the University of California Irvine Medical School have declared a boycott against the bar.

Pierce Street Annex officials did not respond to media questions about their policy or the incident.

It began Jan. 25, a Thursday, generally a popular night of cut-rate drinks at the bar. Samagh, 24, said he and about 20 classmates headed to the Annex to celebrate a birthday and the end of exams for the first-year medical students.

Samagh said he reacted with shock when the bar owner barred his entry, telling him that headgear was headgear, religious or not.

“He kept saying he was a lawyer and he knew his rights, and I tried to talk to him, one professional to another, but he was adamant,” Samagh said.

He and his parents, Pam and Paul Samagh of Rancho Bernardo, said they have joined forces with the Washington, D.C.-based Sikh American Legal Defense and Education Fund, formally requesting an apology.

They are pursuing the action, they say, to raise awareness of acts of discrimination against Sikhs. California is home to one of the largest Sikh populations in the United States, numbering more than 150,000 people, according to the Sikh organization.

The Samagh family has been active in Poway's Sikh temple, where an official there said that blatant acts of discrimination against local Sikhs have been rare.

Paul Samagh said the biggest problem he experienced living in San Diego County was people mistaking him for a Muslim, because of the turban and beard that he and most Sikhs wear. It became dangerous for Sikhs for a brief period after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorism attacks, he said.

“People . . . threatened to kill me more than once,” said Paul Samagh, who owns gas stations now but ran a gourmet food store in Poway at the time. “I just stopped going to work after 9/11.”

The Samagh family said they never experienced outright discrimination while they raised their children in San Diego's North County. Their son was class president, played basketball and was on Rancho Bernardo High School's varsity tennis team – always wearing the turban. He also was senior class valedictorian.

Nationally, the Sikh American Defense group said they encounter anti-Sikh bias incidents at least a few times a month, although generally the problems can be resolved quickly. Recently, a Sikh youth was turned down as a volunteer for a local police department in Northern California because of a no-beard policy, said Rajbir Singh Datta of the Sikh American Defense group, who successfully fought the rule.

“You have to pursue every single one of these cases,” Datta said. “What we want to do is have a society where Sikhs are not looked upon as foreigners. They are part of the fabric of the diversity of the United States.”

I would hate to leave a brother hanging, but common on. I would be offended to if I was in his shoes....But something about this bothers me.

Its not like he was being barred from a library, a community hall, or a social gathering. The guy was being barred from a pub where he was going to have a beer with friends. I understand when he says that wearing a turban is his religious compulsion, but what about the religious rule that he should not drink. I am confused....

we do know that the video is totaly unrealistic, it has been exagerated on purpose, firstly to take the mick out of whats happening, and to keep it funny. to keep peoples attention in the talk. We did not expect an oscar or something for how realistic the film is.. its all done intentionally! The main point of the video was to give a basis for a talk... to keep people interested.. and something to think about.

As I said that the video gets it points across. However, I don't believe it is effective parchar. At the most, it is satire. Its given people something to talk about which includes four pages on this thread. As a statistical sample, start from the first post on this thread, and see how many posts have actually talked about the message and what should be done to correct the astray youth. I agree that it has got many people talking, but isn't it just useless chatter? So, the video's effectiveness as a parchar video is debatable. Its a good joke and leave it that.

by the way, fresh of the boat wasnt the only term used... they called people from UK blatey bandar..

That doesn't make it right. Kann jehre marjee pasoN fhar lai, fer vee kan hee fharnaa hai. A hate term is a hate term.

The video is well made and gets its points across. But it should be targetted towards all the youth that are away from Sikhi (including the ones born in UK). Picking on youth that come from India and working with the existing stereotypes is not right. Why the elitism? The video starts of with the "Fresh off the boat" tag. FOB is a pretty insulting term used so casually amonst us Sikhs and Punjabis nowadays, but it is amusing how we never see that as hate. Just a thought.

Nihangs dont smoke weed because of the tobacco, they drink it without tobacco.

Marijuana and tobacco have nothing to do with each other.

sangat jee wats wrong with ak47 hoodies and Sant Jarnail Singh hoodies its a way of parchar and awareness

khalistan zindabaad

akal takht to aiee avaaz khalistaan khalistaan

What kind of awareness does a AK47 hoodie bring? _oh_OLD:

The people who are poking fun off sikhs for money are """Bhape"""... hate is a strong word and i shouldnt be using it... but honestly i have had enough off these jack <admin-profanity filter activated> mofos.... They claim to be sikhs but dont qulify.... They are cowards... They cant stand up for them selves... They are crafty and wily businessmen... ( The four C'ss "Chust-Chattur-CCHANT-CHALAK") They prefeer hindi over punjabi.... they are hindus dressed like Sikhs... they rape little kids.....

Easy over there bud !

Sikhs that you call "Bhape" are the majority that got slaughtered in the Delhi riots.

These are american soldiers in an army humvee filming themselves as they go through traffic in Iraq. No wonder everyone hates them for being arrogant, driving around just pounding vehicles.

However, to give them the benefit of the doubt, they are in a bitter street fight in Iraq. And in a millitary street fight, there are hidden dangers and snipers everywhere. They will be like sitting ducks if they get caught in traffic.

It does look like a Sindhi Mandir. Guru Nanak Gurpurab is the biggest day for Sindhis, as they were greatly influenced by his teachings when Guru Nanak Dev Ji passed through Sindh during one of his Udasis. Celebrating his Gurpurab (in their own way) is their centuries old traditon or religion if you may. Anyways, I copy pasted this from one Sindhi Website:

This year (2000), the birthday of the Great Master, Guru Nanak Sahib falls on the 11th of November. The Sindhis were greatly influenced by Guru Nanak's teachings as he did pass through Sindh and expound his beautifully simple philosophy to the Sindhis of that area. The Sindhis were so deeply influenced by the Master's teachings that it was not uncommon for the Sindhis to make their first son a Sikh. Even today the Sindhis worship Guru Nanak with the same fervor that they accord to, Shri Krishna, Shri Ram, Shivji or/ and Ma Durga, Laxmi and Saraswati. The Geeta and The Guru Granth Sahib both enjoy an exalted status in Sindhi homes. Come let us pay homage to this Giant personality.

A giraffe is actually related to animal group of "DEER". The punjabi word for "DEER" is "HIRAN". So any new punjabi name for giraffe should include the word "HIRAN"

Anyone who is exceptionally tall, is jokingly referred to as a "OONTH" (Camel). In the malwa region of Punjab, the camel is known as "BOTHA".

So I suggest................."BOTHA HIRAN" for giraffe.

A giraffe is actually related to animal group of "DEER". The punjabi word for "DEER" is "HIRAN". So any new punjabi name for giraffe should include the word "HIRAN"

Allow me to add my 2 cents....

The actual English word "Giraffe" is also borrowed. The real name of this animal comes from the Arabic language in which it is known as "Ziraffa". So, if the english can take that and change it to "Giraffe", I think we should be able to change it to "Jaraaf" in Punjabi.

do u ever feel so guilty that you want to almost kill yourself...

Those are not healthy comments.

from what i've heard the schooling system is messed there. its all just memorize and write it on a piece of paper, noone of that apply your knowledge stuff we have in western countries.

Again, depends on what school you attend.......

i know i went to school there for a while...and goin to school was stressful. not really an envionment for a student to actually develop properly

Depends on what school you attended......

Take it easy guys! Don't blame the whole system for one persons criminal stupidity. My wife is a qualified and experienced teacher from India, and yes they do study human psychology and child development along with the other necessary stuff. The new breed of teachers that have been graduating for the last ten years are different and are much more understanding. I have never known them to hit children. Its the older teachers that still think "Chitthar" is the way to discipline children that are causing all the problems. Many teachers got fired from our school for disciplining children too harshly. You'll never see those stories in news. My point is that with changing times, attitudes are changing and schools are much more aware of these things. Also, in my time, we used to take the "Chitthar" and just shut-up. However, the kids these days don't take it sitting down anymore.

Lastly, in this sad case, the school should also be held criminally responsible if there is proper evidence.

Example of a useless page filling debate has been demonstrated thus far.

It was the day when Harnaaksh was killed by Narsingh Bhagwaan to save his devotee Prahalad.

Har Jug Jug Bhagat Upaaya||

PeJ RakhdaAaya Raam Raje||

Harnaksh Dusht Har Maray ||

Prehlaad Taraaya||

As far as I know, and I might be wrong, this story has nothing to do with Lohri. The story that you are referring to is linked with Holi and not Lohri.

Here is what I know about Lohri, and the prevalent view in Punjab. Just to start, Lohri in Punjab has nothing to do with Sikhism or Hinduism (or Brahamanism) as one would call it. However, it does have a cultural significance in Punjab, and is actually done in the memory of a folk hero.

There used to be a robin hood like figure, Dulla Bhatti (A Muslim outlaw) during the times of Akbar and Guru Arjan Dev Ji. He was very helpful to the poor and needy. He once saved a young hindu girl from the clutches of other outlaws, and treated her like his daughter. As she was a hindu, he arranged for her marriage with a hindu boy, but there was no priest available to do the laavan. All he knew was that hindus walk around fire while the priest prays. So, he lit a fire, and asked them to walk around it while he sang a funny song (pretty much anything that came to his mind). Here is what he sang:

Sundar Munderiye ho!

Tera kaun vicaharaa ho!

Dullah bhatti walla ho!

Dullhe di dhee vyayae ho!

Ser shakkar payee ho!

Kudi da laal pathaka ho!

Kudi da saalu paatta ho!

Salu kaun samete!

Chache choori kutti! zamidara lutti!

Zamindaar sudhaye!

bade bhole aaye!

Ek bhola reh gaya!

Sipahee pakad ke lai gaya!

Sipahee ne mari eet!

Sanoo de de lohri te teri jeeve jodi

Paheenve ro te phannve pit! ”

Later on Dulla was captured by Akbar and executed.

Lastly, Lohri was actually meant to be celebrated as a thanks to a folk hero (Dulla) for newly weds and a new season, and then people started celebrating for newly born children (boys and girls). As prejudices prevaled, people started celebrating it only for new born boys later on. At the present, it is quite common for people to celebrate lohri for new born girls also.

Also, in Punjab it is not celebrated as a Hindu Festival

Please correct me if I am wrong.

However, in my uneducated opinion, continued learning beyond that is necessary to understand the beautiful Truth of Gurbani.

No offense to the other posters, but your opinion has been the most educated one in this thread so far.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21017766-401,00.html

http://www.ibnlive.com/news/noida-killings...ed/30424-3.html

sexual abuse, murder, possible cannibalism, possible organ selling....

these sick individuals are a disgrace to humanity.

http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=216365

This is the most disturbing news coming out of India right now. It is possibly the worst serial murder case ever since it involves children.

The main accused is a Mona, Mohinder Pandher, a highly educated guy who was a fully turbaned Sikh till few years ago.

Jayd, So you quoted one of my writings on sikhnet. I'm sorry I don't Understand what you are trying to say? I still believe in what I wrote and I stand by it. Worship the way you want. Just don't try to tell others that something that is clearly against the wishes of my beloved Guru is justified. Don't try to water down someones faith. Don't try to assimilate anothers faith. You could take my quote and make an argument that I am for love and not passing judgement, so we should Show RSS love and let them do what they want. WRONG. If anyone knows me they know what i write is what i believe and I strongly believe in not judging and opening your heart to love and Sikhi is only gained through LOVE. However please don't try to twist my words into something that suits your agenda. My biggest pet peve is ppl trying to misrepresent me. I know what i said you don't have to quote it back to me. I know what I believe. And once again what i said above does not contradict with what you have quoted. If you agree with me about being proper to your faith and not mixing and matching. Then whats the problem. Why are u trying paint me as the hypocrit. When your the one condoing idol worship. Please don't disrespect me in such ways. Once again passing judgement is one thing, But letting your faith be assimilated and watered down is quite the other. I won't let it happen without speaking my mind. You wanna worship pictures of the Gurus, be my guest. I have no problem with that. You want to justify and say its ok in sikhi to do that. I have a problem with that. Since Gurbani is clearly against IDOL worship. You got anything else to say to me, or you wanna try to attack my character through my previous posts, please have enough respect to do it in private. PM me. We can have a nice long chat

My motive was not to attack your character veer, but I apologize if you have been offended. I am against idol worship, but this post began with passing a quick judgement on the character of the sikhs in the video. Is that not wrong? I know that that there are uneducated muppets everywhere but pooling everyone in the same category is just not right? The video does not show the Sikhs praying to the photo or doing matha tek to the photo. As for the flowers, that could have been put by the family before the prabhat feri came in. Its like I do paath in my room, and I have a photo in my room. My mind is focussed on the paath, not the photo. Don't get too hung up on this issue. Its not idol worship. As I write this, the SS NEWS MENU BAR to the right of this screen is scrolling up, and a photo of Guru Gobind Singh Ji just came up, and I thought of the Gurpurab, and said "Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh". I am not praying to this image or using it as an idol. It just reminded me of my Guru.

It's just some homies hangin' around