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  3. Khalistan Concept and Sikh Philosophy!

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    vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

    vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

    Good point sandeep. I think that the concept was stated before, we must become khalsa before we can have Khalistan. There are so few true Singhs and Kaurs out there... and no independant country could survive on their efforts alone.

    We did have a Khalsa raj for a while (Maharaja Ranjit Singh), yet we lost it partially because we lost our faith in Guru, and surrendered without cause. I don't think we will be successful in this endevour until we all get that faith back!

    Waheguru!

    vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

    vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

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  8. Army: forced or free will?

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    vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

    vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

    The greatest thing about the Khalsa was that no one who didn't want to be there was there. It was comprised of only those who wished to fight and die for the Guru. That is also what made it so strong!!

    vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

    vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

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  9. pls help me

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    vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

    vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

    Wow. there are a lot of good points for both sides of eating eggs... quite frankly I don't know what rehats say about eggs, fertilized or unfertilized, but I do try to avoid them if possible.

    Just a question though, some may consider it wrong to have milk, as it is similar to an unfertilized egg (ie: a product from an animal, but cannot grow or anything). Any comments? :T:

    vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

    vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

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  10. y took arms

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    vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

    vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

    Wow, I didn't know that Guru Nanak Ji did keep shastars... if he did, it wasn't 'advertised' that much. (I thought that might have gone against his principle of peacefully convincing others).

    vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

    vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

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  11. Is this considered to be joota?

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    Respected khalsa4ever...you are not understanding the point here. The initial post was about someone passing you a roti while they were eating. There is a difference between jootay hands and non-jootay hands. I did not say not to eat food from non-Amritdharis, i said not to eat from non-Amritdharis who have jootay hands (are eating while serving). Big difference. Again Rehat is Rehat, and we are not to eat from the joot of non-Amritdharis...period.

    vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

    vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

    I am sorry if I misinterpreted you comments in any way. Now that you do bring it up though, if it is wrong to take from a non-Amritdhari's jootay's hands, then shouldn't that apply to jootay Amritdhari hands too? (I mean jootay is jootay, regardless of if you have taken amrit or not).

    vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

    vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

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  14. Is this considered to be joota?

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    vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

    vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

    Who said anything about eating food at non-Amritdharis homes? We were talking about eating from jootay hands of non-Amritdharis. There was no mention of eating food from non-Amritdhari hands, just jootay non-Amritdhari hands....and that is against Rehat.

    Forgive me, but isn't that what you did say? How can you eat at a non-Amritdhari's house and not have them touch your food? If they made it, they touched it. If they pass it to you, they touched it.

    And what is the difference between "jootai" non-Amritdhari hands and just non-Amritdhari hands? Quite frankly, if it just means "dirty", you shouldn't eat from anyone's dirty hands, regardless of if they took amrit.

    vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

    vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

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  15. Is this considered to be joota?

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    vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

    vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

    I must say that I disagree with Surrey Singh.

    We are not brahmins, we do not consider anything even touched by someone not of our class (ie: Amritdari) to be jooth. That would be very castist of us. I believe that we are not supposed to eat from another's plate, ie: if they took a bite out of it, then its jooth. If they drank a sip from the cup, then it is jooth. If we are to believe that all people were created by the same God, then we are no cleaner than anyone else, and we have no right to reject food/drink simply because someone has the kindness to pass it to us.

    vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

    vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

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  16. Punjab farmers driven to suicide

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    Most of the small farmers end up going to village moneylenders to borrow money with exorbitant rates of interest varying between 24-36 per cent per year.

    "We have to make innumerable trips to the banks. There are too many formalities and it takes much longer. We usually need the money for fertilizers or something else for which we can't wait. The money lender gives it to us in an hour," said Sher Singh, a farmer.

    vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

    vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

    I don't mean to sound without sympathy... but you don't go to a money shark if you can get the money from a bank for lower interest.... its like throwing away money!

    vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

    vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

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  18. 1984 - 20 YEARS!!!!!

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    vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

    vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

    then those youth do not feel the pain of the panth.

    I think that is the problem. Many people do not see what 1984 was all about. But when a sikh tries to follow the panth, and the first thing they hear is all 'Khalistan', it seems fundamentalist, and that scares them.

    vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

    vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

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  19. 1984 - 20 YEARS!!!!!

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    vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

    vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

    I agree with SIngh! Nothing can be done about the horrible occurances of 1984. Rather, a bigger problem exists with the fallout of 'sikhs'... I think for many youth of today, the constant referral of 1984 and Khalistan may be driving some away from Sikhi...

    vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

    vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

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  20. Gurbani... are all languages equal?

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    Vaheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa Vaheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

    GurbaNi is poetry. When you read interpretations of poetry, you don't get the same impression as you would from reading the actual poem...reading the english translation of GurbaNi is like reading a paraphrasing of the original work. You can't get the same rus from it.

    No one can express the BaNi of God better than Guru Sahib jee.

    Other then that, the english would just ruin the poetry of it...such as the many different languages used, the bisraams (pauses) in certain places, the connotative language etc.

    and although English translations do help A LOT, i think the gurbaNi itself should come first and then the english translations.

    Vaheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa Vaheguroo Jee kee Fateh!!

    vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

    vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

    That's a good point. But what I fear is that when you take amrit, you are supposed to "do" your nitnem. Gurmukhi is only empty words unless you know the meaning of what you speak. I know a large number of sikhs are there who do nitnem, but it has no value to them because the words themselves are meaningless (to them).

    While I agree the beauty of poetry may be lost... i

    sn't understanding worth much more?

    vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

    vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

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  22. Gurbani... are all languages equal?

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    vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

    vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

    Hey, I have a question of my own to post

    I've always done nitnem from a gurmukhi gutka, and that works well because I can read punjabi OK, but I do not understand anything. Not a single word.

    I was thinking, the Christian Bible for example, the common use one today is an english translation of the original latin work. That way all those people who do not speak latin can understand what the meaning behind the words.

    How about for us? Do you think it is better to read gurmukhi nitnem in the morning, or an english translation instead? blush.gif

    vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

    vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

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  24. Guru Arjan Dev: The Koran And The Guru's Martyrdom

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    vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

    vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

    Gurbani never disses entire religions, lets claify that. Gurbani only states that those false followers of those faiths, those that call themselves muslim without knowing what it means, those that are hindu but cannot explain why... they themselves are false.

    Those are the people guru speaks of. Our gurus would not have had themselves killed, tortured, burned alive if they did not believe that belief in religion, ANY RELIGION, is something to stand up for.

    And to the comment earlier about somehow it is bad that Muslims believe that Mohammad is their final messenger...

    Ask any Christian, he will say Jesus is their final messenger (yet we don't talk about them like this).

    Ask any Sikh, and Guru Gobind Singh is our final messenger (and we certainly don't think otherwise).

    So what right do we have to chide those that believe in their messenger?? They are all messengers of God!

    vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

    vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

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  25. respect

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    vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

    vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

    There is no doubt that the SGGS is our guru. Our guru is highest. So although the Dasam Granth should be treated w/ respect, nothing should be higher than our Guru.

    vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

    vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

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