BARBARIAN

nuffing will happen he'll just go there and go back, and what? nuffing as always no one gives jack and those that give a jack cant do jack. UN dont care, and upnai that do care dont want to get involved because the khalistanis always hijack the situation like only they have the right to say something and the rest cos we aint khalistani are traitors. now the two things go hand in hand if you speak up and want to do things for upnai who suffered you get called khalistani its like both sides the karkoos and the government have designed it so you fit in to 2 groups government or khalistani, well theres pple like me who want to help and do things for those that suffered but I don’t believe in khalistan but theres no organisation out there for us who aint mixed up in both the government or the khalistanis from what I’ve been reading you get called hindu or congressi or snathan or what ever , really sick of this. and no one can do jack to butcher gill because it would have been done by now upnai are jus full of bequass man!

Apparently Indira Gandhi's chumchas were so against the SGPC and the Panth undertaking the Kar Seva that they scoured the Punjab countryside looking for any Baba who would take on the task of undertaking the Kar Sewa. Every Baba they approached, even those who did not get on with the SGPC all laid the pre-conditon that they along with the SGPC wanted the Indian army which had just murdered 1000s of Sikhs in the complex to be withdrawn. Only one person did not lay this pre-condition and that was Santa Singh. He didn't feel the irony that he was re-constructing the Akal Takht under guard and watched over by the very army that had destroyed it. The Singhs of old made the Afghans of Abdali clear the Srowar which they had polluted but Santa Singh did the exact opposite! May Akal Purkh save the Panth from such 'jathedars'

if sacrilege is the question , maybe you could kindly tell me the answer the following

20 percent of the Thakat was damaged by the Indian army forces which Jethedar Santa Singh Ji repaired according to the blue prints going back to the time of Guru HarGobind Ji which Budhadal have.

Why did The taksalis demolish all of it? 100 percent? And rebuild it according to how they wanted it? Which was totally different Did Guru HarGobind Ji not know what he was doing when he built the original? Just like you people change historical buildings you also change history.

That in my opinion is the worst case of Maha beadbi equal to the army attacking the complex itself.

Jamdoot Ji it's not about idol worship. Many people forget or do not realise that when Maharaj Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji gave gurguddi to Sahib Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji at Nanded he did parkarama around Aad Granth Sahib Ji and did mutha, people forget or do not know that Guru Ji as well as doing parkarama around Aad Granth Sahib Ji, did parkarma around a kirpan and did mutha to a kirpan that was placed before the Aad Granth Sahib Ji.

As Jassa Ji has so perfectly quoted As Kirpan Khando Kharg...Peer is the muslim word for Guru, remember Guru Ji knew many languages as can be seen in his writings.

God gives life, God takes life, Kal tuhi Kali tuhi - again Guru Ji is saying that the Kirpan, the shaster is death and the Godess of death, and another name for God, as mentioned by Mahakaal is Mahakaal.

The shabad I have quoted Jassa on and have quoted myself is from Dasam Granth Sahib, and is from Shaster Naam Mala, literally meaning repeatition of shasters names.

For more in depth, and in my opinion, intellectual explanation of this bani, check out Gursikhijeevan.com or Gurmatveechar.com and search for Bir Rassi Dasam Bani by Bhai Sahib Bhai Balbir Singh.

Bhul Chuk Maaf

does this mean you would do the names of the shastras like on a bead or sumtin?

dancing warrior...

you're actually quite wrong in your last statement...He always responds...it's just sometimes His response isn't the one we expected...gurbani says totally opposite from what you said in your last statement.

actually the way warrior explains it i get it the way you do I don’t

well funny man :umm:

i get vex so easy and start swearing and everything then every1 turns in to the enemy even those that try to help me i start on them to. i just start thinking every1s full of it so i start to hate everyone wen its real bad i feel every bit of my body get angry i dont think ive got a big ego or nuthin i just start to hate parkandi ppl they really ps me off bad. I'v tried doing path and simran and try to act all humble and that after but its not me im not like that so to act it its a lie im getting vex just thinking bout it

A lot of people are talking about this its not good. Whoever has put it up it shows the guy in the yellow orangy turban to look like a racist I logged on to the original speech done by the guy and the thing that happened at wadbagh it don’t look good at all its shows them in a very bad light and the punch up in Canada is just horrible

Guru Gobind Singh Ji wrote about the chobis Avtara twenty four incarnations of Vishnu according to a Nihang Singh Mate of mine in the Dasam Granth. Khalki Avtara is meant to be the last one yet to come.

Don’t shoot me im just the messenger , peace

if we are oppressed educate yourselves and your children Wear two swords Educate people democratically and fairly peacefully.

please no more bullets no more AK47,no more deaths no more killings you cant fight an army use your minds courage and the truth use your pens.

Punjab jithe goliee hai gulab nahi

Punjab were there are bullets but no flowers

Thank you for the information what we also need within our people is understanding and tolerance towards one another no matter what level people are on we have become so judgemental and cuss each other to make ourselves look better that’s not good I find sometimes we just stopped caring rather than pick someone up we give excuses why they should stay down was this the way of Guru Nanak? if we just cared more gave a bit more time stopped putting people down then no one would convert this doesn’t need science education or anything like that or even great knowledge of Sikhism just common sense and patience

thanks

don’t matter wat jutha patha you haters belong to wat martial art or what knowledge you have what books you are all haters willing to push ppl over the edge u have all created so many different types of Sikhism what hope do ppl like me have who com here to learn I swear I will never be like you haters u play on ppls minds twist ppl sm one don’t agree your akj your naihangs u this u that the truth is your all sad ppl man if this your sikhi keep it

You ppl wat are you ppl wat have you done to my religion you just hate judge others why do u do this I hate u ppl you have made me hate you tell where does it say prove your point don’t matter if someone dies where does it say tha I came here to learn I don’t knw noting bout Sikhism I came to learn and u ppl are doing all this im so upset u pple I just don’t get u

Where are u pwalla face me here you nearly caused satnam to suicide your problem was with nidger not him u so rite never do nothing wrong scum

i hate you ppl u upset me so much hurt me so much some one could have died dont you understand dont matter you likes this who likes that who dring who eats we all ppl you dont treat ppl like that you aint no sikhs

could have died????

o my god what are you ppl were do u get off man

It would be very unwise to go stand infront of every pub club or whatever and start taking photos of people who keep beards and turbans. It is very shameful for them doing this but some things you can't stop. This is a panthic issue which must be resolved. The reasons for Satnaams photos being taken off are clear. Pwala has stated that Satnaam has comfirmed he is not Amritdhari, doesnt belong to any of Niddars Shaastar vidiya classes, and also comfirms he doesnt hang around with any of the chelas of Niddar therefore putting him into same category of the uncles and other panjabis you say who go to clubs and pubs. Satnam has been requested not to these manmat activities as Pwala has stated as Satnam holds the roop of a Amritdhari Sikh.

The blog to me is not a name and shame but seems like an attempt to tackle this manmat. It is also there to create an awareness and to protect new youth who come into Sikhi and start looking at this Moorakh-Behkee Sikhs who dress in Bana and show that they have the Giyaan Diyaan Ishnaan. Guru Sahib clearly says:

bwhir ByK AMqir mlu mwieAw ]

baahar bhaekh a(n)thar mal maaeiaa ||

Outwardly, they wear religious robes, but within is the filth of Maya.

Cpis nwih kCu krY CpwieAw ]

shhapas naahi kashh karai shhapaaeiaa ||

They cannot conceal this, no matter how hard they try.

Clearly Niddar and his chelas need to be addressed properly. It is clear that in the time Niddar has made it in the prime light that know one has tried to go against his manmat and address his issues. All that has happened is that tention has built up and know one cares to address issues properly. I think Pwallas attempt to address this issue is a first step and is a great start. But it would be better if this could be improved or maybe further steps could be implemented.

I'm sure Gursikhs who live in Bhana of Guru Sahib and do Naam Kamai will be able to tackle this issue easily as the victory is always of the truth and the Manmukhs who follow Manmat always loose as Gurbani says:

mnmuiK KoieAw gurmuiK lwDw ]

manamukh khoeiaa guramukh laadhhaa ||

The self-willed manmukh loses, and the Gurmukh gains.

Infact there is no point keep talking about the blog or the progress of the blog. The fact is that the blog is progressing and the cirlcle of Gursikhs who are attempting to this seva will succeed as Guru Sahib wills this. The people who support Niddar and his manmat are just getting anxious and very scared that the truth is coming out and that there manmat is being exposed.

Very soon an end will come to the manmat of Niddar and his chelas. The whole world will see his manmat and the victory will be of Sach.

My request to "Pwalla!" is firstly to take your blog one step further, maybe consult local Gursikhs around the area or maybe ask others to help you with this. It is a very good seva that you are doing. Have it in mind that you are against the Dushsts of the panth. Dushts of the panth always have chele and in this case they are loosing breath on what to say next therefore they are reuslting in name calling, and teasing. Sangat can evidently observe this be just looking at the past 10 posts.

My second request is that you take no notice of anyone when they are name calling or teasing.

Finannly keep doing Ardaas that Guru Sahib makes the cirle of Gursikhs who are doing this seva to be successful. You must carry on with this seva, as Guru Sahib has chosen you to do this.

Manmat may take along to die but eventualy it will die out of the Khalsa Panth and the true Sachiyaar Khalsa will be blessed with Khalsa Heliemee Raaj whilst the Manmukhs will be stuck in transmigeration.

Gurfateh

forget your long wise words bruv dont you get it these ppl haters could have forced satnam to take his life that is wat is the point you cant wash that away what sort of ppl are you that hide behind our guruji cos of your own hate, dont you get it sm one could have died

cum on say sumtin you perfect lot cum on laugh like you were laughing i swar to god i will spend all my life hating ppl like who laugh at others speak now go on say sumtin all wise and nice

i hate you ppl u upset me so much hurt me so much some one could have died dont you understand dont matter you likes this who likes that who dring who eats we all ppl you dont treat ppl like that you aint no sikhs

how can u treat peole like that it just so wrong man i dont understand yopeople i just dont understand you

i only just joined this forum a few days ago to help me find out more about Sikhism but all I have found is hate. I dont know much about Sikhism but i can tell you guys and pwalla trying to get so perfect forgot your humanity along time ago man me and my mates have spent the last two days reading tons of stuff on this site and other stuff we jus so upset today when we read about satnam I don’t even know the names of all of our gurus but I wouln never treat any one like this you people should be ashamed of your self you aint no sikhs man.

is what these guys are doing very wrong also, ? got it from youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpxpNsNfo24...ted&search=

im not sayin they are AKJs or anything like that.

i just showed my mum this video she was totally shocked she said she had never seen anything like it she said it looks like they have a boothe ghost in them. she wasn’t being disrespectful she was genuinely shocked she said its meant to be done quietly and peacefully should some one not speak to these guys and ask them what they are doing? why has no one spoken to them so far how long has this been going on this is terrible I mean other people see this what must they think

i think that the jeevan of those people you are all discussing is way above our own jeevans.

ridicule them at your own risk

This type of response is typical, if I went on stage and started making noises everyone would assume I was on some next level etc etc etc ... What a Joke!!!!

Answer this one question is it or is it not a distortion of the Gurmantr? Yes or No? The word is written in Sri Guru Granth Sahib and Bhai Gurdas Ji Dea Varaan as 'Va-He-Gu-Ru', every Sikh knows that incorrect pronunciation is very very bad (even if accidental). Yet you think its ok for individuals to recite Va-He-Gu-Ru by making animalistic noises. GRRR, BRRR, AAAAHHHH, BRRRUUAAHHH, OH OH OH, AAAA AAA AAA - none of these sounds even come anywhere close to sounding like Vaheguru. Simran is reciting Vaheguru - not recited some random sound that you can think of.

In par with the Sikh Doctrine these individuals are meditating by damaging the limbs of our Gurus, do you think spirtuall development will be towards the light or dark side? Maharaj ordered Singhs to hit another Singh who accidently recited Gurbani wrong, what action should be taken against those who recite the Gurmantr in such a perverted and demonic way - in the hazoorri of the very Maharaj whos limbs they are damaging.

that sounds serious! what would happen now? i hope you guys don’t mind me keep asking questions like this i didn’t realise things like this happen its an eye opener

Sorry guys I’m just totally lost new to all this .am I right in saying that this type of kirtain is totally wrong because of the demonic noises? ? I don’t understand what are they saying they start of slow then all of a sudden its like a wailing wooing noise chanting? what does that bit mean?

i think that the jeevan of those people you are all discussing is way above our own jeevans.

ridicule them at your own risk

hi,

could you explain what does this mean, many thanks.