hawk13

Yes brother, I not only notice difference in bindis but in some words I could not get satis factory reply from anyone in this regard.

BTW barjinder & hawk,

I forgot to ask,

Delhi Takht te baithegi aap guru di fauj;

Chattar jhoolenge sees par bohat hovegi mauj!

Is that gurbani ??

If it is, then please give me page no.

Thanks in advance

Dear brother these lines r part of DOHRA after the ARDASA these lines comes before the RAJ KAREGA KHALSA these lines were deleted by MAHANTS WHO WERE CONTROLLING GURDWARAS at times British occupation to please their new masters after 1947 these lines were not included to please Indian rulers.These lines are part of our daily prayer. WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

DEAR CHANDERCHOOR SINGH JI, Creation of army is not my idea that idea was of GURU JIS MY FORFATHERS FOUGHT AGAINIST MUGHALS AND ENGLISH SUCCESSFULLY at the GURU JI times idea of war and army seemed unrealistic to timid socalled sikhs like you . If armed struggle could return to KASHMIR after 24 years why it could happen in our case?Learn to live with selfrespect and die with same . U can not fight the war with arguements with ifs and buts but to strike at the enemy with full force . Please do not mind.I do not want to demean you.

Gurfateh, Brother you have chosen to ignore just about every single point I have made and venture off on your own tangents. Until you can reply to or address the evident problems (such as people of Punjab don’t actually want Khalistan, lack of scriptural support etc) your ideology and theory on the creation of Khalistan is nothing more than a fantastically inelegant farce.

You speak of the Khalsa being a Nation and always having been one – you are aware that the idea and concept of nation and nationalism (which you seem obsessed with) came around in the 1770s yeah? And unless I am incorrect the Khalsa existed many years before that. Although everyone may have slightly different ideas of ‘nationalism’ – it is nothing to do with the Khalsa!!! There is nothing spiritual or religious in nationalism – it is pure tribalism, and as Albert Einstein put it…. ‘Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind’’. The primary purpose of the nation is to fulfil the psychological and sociological needs of mass to have human company. Also, for the love of God if you are going to use the term nation, at least differentiate between the term ‘state’ and ‘nation’ – they are not interchangeable!!!

Your serious limitation of the Khalsa is nothing short of uneducated blasphemy – Khalsa will rule the world, why do you seek sovereignty over a small piece of land that the occupants don’t want you rule? I believe such forms of government would be known as tyrannical dictatorship and more along the lines of the Taliban. In your opinion can I ask what notion of Nationalism does the Khalsa subscribe to? A few examples from history for you to choose from include: Liberal, Conservative, Extreme, Anti-Colonial, Expansionist… also you speak of the ‘revival of multinationhood’, the use of the word revival implies that it had previously existed – exactly what planet was that in?

I see you have great faith in the UN who are often believed to be obsolete in the world of International Affairs. If a State like USA can completely defy it do you not think India can? The weak are subject to UN Laws, the powerful do as they wish in matters relating to self interest – as harsh as it sounds, that’s International Politics for you. I think the recent Punjab election shows that it is highly unlikely you will have any legitimate political victory any time soon – and as there doesn’t actually seem to be any active paramilitary Sikhs fighting in Punjab – military victory also seems a bit plausible.

I do not doubt that Khalsa Raj will happen, nor do I doubt that Maharaj is capable of doing anything. However you are entirely making up Khalsa Raj as how your imagination sees fit, letting your mind run wild and believing things will happen and work out like they do in the movies – which again begs the question if you have actually read any old sources (Gurbani or historical) relating to Khalsa Raaj.

I have at no point claimed to be an expert in anything… your making that up, however I agree I could sort my ego out a bit, I just found your posts too funny and could not resist. However as for calling me a slave, I find it rather ironic considering that with the ‘freedom’ you want to gain from India you then want enslave your self to Western Ideals. After creating a new state you will join with the International System, in line with the Westphalia Principles and subject to the definition of a ‘State’ – which of course was created by powerful states in order to make it easier for them to rule. Even although your warships and fighter jets (which is presume will just fall out of the sky with pilots) will give you a false sense of security. Oh and of course the cherry on top of the farcical cake is the fact that what you want to do and claim what will happen is entirely out with Sikhi and the Khalsa. What you have written, where is anything even remotely similar to what you are saying written in Sikh Scriptures or mentioned in history?

P.S. Please write clearly properly and in an educated manner. Your poor spelling, almost non existent grammar and random use of caps makes it difficult to comprehend exactly what you are trying to say a lot of times.

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA , WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH, Dear brother , what u say that cocept of nationalism comes in 1777, very fanstastic concept of sikh nationalism started with the BIRTH OF GURU NANAK DEV JI WHO USED THE TERM HALIMI RAJ OR TRUE WELFARE STATE I AM WRITING IN CAPS FOR UR UNDERSTANDING .U can read my eariler posts ,from where the cocept of BEGUMPURA COMES FROM THE GURU GRANTH SHAIB from BHAGAT RAVIDASS BANI. Our guiding force is GURU GRANTH and GURU PANTH ur european nationalism may be simple tribalism cocept of nationalism started with GURU NANAK DEV JI GURU GOBIND SINGH MADE THE COMPLETE SYSTEM. For example from where Hindu PERSONAL LAW CAME its basics came from the old hindu texts and Indian constitutional preample and directive principles are from old texts also other parts have been taken from other sources what I MEAN TO SAY WE NEED CODIFICATION FROM GURBANI. U read the book CRITICAL MASS BY W.E WILLIAMS and read SIPRI DETAILS u claims to be an expert on politics and economics u r ignorant about defacto recognition and dejure one . USA never rejected the UNO totaly. U IGNORE what mild sanctions did to India after 1998 nuclear tests their leaders started licking shoes of big powers and gave economic facilities on their terms. U compare we KHALISTANIS with TALIBAN what about RSS and others fanatic hindu bodies WHO R HOLDING ARMS TRAINING CAMPS IN PUNJAB AND ELSEWHERE THESE SEEMS TO BE GREAT PEOPLE. These hindu groups propagate about finishing off other religions these seem to u nationalist people they r creating private armies . U SAY THERE IS NO SIKH MILATARY ACTIVITY, SIKH FREEDOM FIGHTERS WILL NOT TAKE PERMISSION FROM YOU AND ME.If raising regular sikh army seems unrealistic to u. u have example in 1989 as per CRITICAL MASS REPORTS A REPORTER DID MANAGE TO GET 2 HYDROGEN BOMBS FROM RUSSIAN FORCES FOR 1 MILLION DOLLARS, multinnations were in existence in early medival times for example BRITAIN HAS NORTH AND SOUTH PARTS NAME ENGLAND CAME FROM THE TERM ANGLES TRIBE. People like u have devopled the habit of living in genocide u read the definition of GENOCIDE VARIOUS STEPS IN GENOCIDE. We KHALSA R A MILATARY BROTHERHOOD WITH ALL PROPERTIES OF WELFARE STATE. During sikhrule no genocide took place even during medival times u r harping about the EUROPEAN NATIONALISM DURING 100 YEARS WAR WITH MUSLIMS IN MEDIVAL TIMES AND DURING COLONISATION AND AT TIME OF WORLD WARS THEY KILLED CRORES OF PEOPLE. Since the FIRST MARTYDOM OF GURU ARJUN DEV JI WE HAVE LOST MILLIONS IN VARIOUS GENOCIDES INCLUDING FAMILIES OF OUR BELOVED GURUS. GURU HARGOBIND JI FOR THE FIRST TIME FELT THERE IS NEED OF MILITARILISATION OF SIKHS AND CREATED A POLITICAL AUTHORITY IN SHAPE OF AKAL TAKHT SHAIB GURU GOBIND SINGH JI CONVERTED KHALSA INTO A COMPLETE NATION AND MILATARY BROTHERHOOD. We need that system of our GURU the most urgently in modern times for survival for this creation of modern armed forces is the need of hour. I humbly accecpt ur challenge of making me look silly perhaps you do not know about the SANTA AND BANTA JOKES FROM WHERE THESE ORIGINATED who were these great

sikhs. PS donot pull my leg i still consisder myself a student a humble sevak but by pulling down others u gets pulling down more control ur ego on the pretext of liberlisation u seems the habit of living under slavery u r in still learning process. Try to learn more.

Dear friend chaderchur singh ji, do not feel shy of adderssing my points rather u will look silly not me iam a humble sevak of GURU JI come out of ur inflated ego try to live independent and free not in slavery it is ur choice go throgh the un law in detail, and UN CONSTITUTION

My Friend you did not reply to a single point I made...Great post!!! :TH:

p.s. You may want to read up a bit on 'nation' and 'nationalism' rather than freely using the terms and ideas, or alternatively edit your post. Or I am afriad I will have to address your points and make you look rather silly. :nihungsmile:

No my friend live in present go by recent events our track record is best whenever we came to power go and read my earlier posts do not live in past.think practically

My Friend you did not reply to a single point I made...Great post!!! :TH:

p.s. You may want to read up a bit on 'nation' and 'nationalism' rather than freely using the terms and ideas, or alternatively edit your post. Or I am afriad I will have to address your points and make you look rather silly. :nihungsmile:

dear friend, u call ur self expert on politics and economics u know nothing about INTERNATIONAL LAW, NATIONHOOD UN LAW ,GO THROUGH IT ,AND READ DEFACTO RECONITION AND DEJURE RECONITION HOW AND IN WHICH CONDITIONS IT IS GIVEN READ THE FULL UN CHARTER before making ur answering my mail see the LATEST events in east euorpe , each nationality has its own cocept of nationhood u need to employ modern milatary means u ignore recent events old concept of nationhood has collasped . Now it is revival of multinationhood THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED IN EARTH SUMMIT IN 2002 THERE WERE FEW TAKERS FOR OLD COCEPT EACH NATION REALSED THAT IS WHY INDIA HAD TO WALK OUT AFTER 2 WEEKS THIS WAS BLACKED OUT BY INDIAN MEDIA EVEN AUSTRLIA HAS SEPERATE REPRESENTTATION FOR SOME OF ITS ISLANDS, IF INDIA HAS TO SURVIVE IT HAS LIVE WITH NEW TRENDS . INCASE OF LIBERATED ZONES IN CONFLICT AREA INSIDE A COUNTRY DEFACTO RECOGINATION MAY BE GIVEN AND LATER CONVERTED INTO DEJURE ONE do not be unrealstic be realistic do not harp on old nationism which is dying do not cry over it we r cocerned about milatry and political victory which is not impossible.

U r very original HAWK!!! Hats off!

Punjabi Link, u know, Indra Gandhi was also protected. But she got riddles with 38 bullets. So why can't we kill the other remaining

These people where main for Operation Blue Star

1. Indira Gandhi

2. Gen. Vaidya

3. Lt. Gen. KS Brar

Only one is left.... Lets do da job!

It is going to be hard to kill Brar because he is protected by the army. I don't think he has sikhs protecting him and his family right now.

Do not overestimate the mahasas I will cite u a example when in BUNDELKHAND area of UP AND MP some dharmi faujis were approaching when they came near the barricades set up by hindu faujis they started shouting JAIKARAS ON HEARING THE JAIKARAS THEIR OFFICER INCHARGE WERE SO SCARED THAT HE DIED OF HEART FAILURE THAT IS HOW SOCALLED MAHASAS BEHAVE IN REAL FIGHTING. what happened in KARGIL NON SIKH REGULAR TROOPS FAILED AGAINIST PAK PARA MILATARY FORCES DESPITE USING AIRFORCE AND HEAVY WEAPONS.

Involved in both the study of politics and economics, I must say I find some the stuff people have been posting on this forum pretty comical... childish fantasies to say the least.

We have so many sources which we can refer to in relation to Khalsa Raaj.. Choubees Avtar Bani, Sau Sakhi, Naseeat Nama, Karnih Nama.... If you dont believe in karni nama you should know thats where the linke 'Raaj Karega Khalsa comes from....'

Karni Nama is probably the prime source for information on Khalsa Raj... please read it properly first rather than making up fantacies of hows everythings gonna be.... Khalsa with submarines, warplanes etc... Have you lot gone mad??????

The International Recognition which people claim to seek... you should no the ideas of sovereignty and international legitimacy are based on Western Ideological phenomena... refer to the Westphalian Principles. Not to mention the idea of 'State' and the connotations of 'Nation' are created by states whom it suit to have exist.

Who will govern this Khalistan... The AKJ disagree with the Taksal who inturn disagree with the Sikh Missionary who are hated by the Nihangs who are frowned upon by some Nanaksaris ..... endless list

Please dont inslut the Sikh Community by going on about how Khalistan will be a democratic state...the Idea of democracy and all its benefits is another great western idea. For those who have lost all sense of reality (majority of people posting here) incase you didnt know... people of Punjab dont really want Khalistan... they are happy to vote Badal as the CM are alternatively Captain Sahib.... will you force them to accept Khalistan through Rousseau's theory of the 'greater good', as it certainly wont be on Mills theory on what the majority want or Benthams theory of the greatest happines of the greatest numbers - two of the main theorists who contributed to the popularisation democtaic idea.

Sure Indian government is messed up and people like Sant Jarnail Singh did a great job in rasing awareness in the 70s and 80s - that the Mahapursh created shrunk immensely a long time ago. Look for realistic goals in life and dont create childish fantasies that you can dream about. Become harcore in you rehat, do maha simran abhiyaas, learn and study Gurbani extensively.... dharam should be fought based on daya (see Japji Sahib), true daya will come to us by following the teachings and rehat of our gurus. Once we have this we are in a position to fight for dharam.... then you can punish those who have wronged the Sikhs to start with.

Im sorry but the majority of this thread is an absolute joke. People need to get reality checks.

This has been a very quick reply... academically (whether in the field of religion, politics, economics, history, theology, philosophy...) peoples arguemens in this thread would be laughed at hysterically. Not to mention the highly unrealistic and fantasy nature of the arguements. Not to mention the fact that no one seems to care about what the karni nama says prior to the last lines... 'Raaj KArega Khalsa.....'

Dear brother, You r unrealistic not us we know how to fihgt and win war u r used to live in slavery not us differences r here in each socity not only in sikhs NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR US THOSE LAUGHING AT US WILL LICK SHOES OF KHALSA , KHALSA IS A NATION ,WILL REMAIN SO, as a soldier we know our jobWE BELIEVE IN KHALSA HAI JO KARAI NIS JANG. we r true nation builders if we can build INDIA we can destroy it too and build our nation donot ignore the history.

YES i do say to alot of people that do not keep your kes if u dont feel that u can do it. I also always say before your do anything keep your inside pure, then keep ya kes and do what ever.

YOU THINK that you only have to be pure inside, but GUROO JI THINKS that you have to be pure outside and inside, if you want a relieigon that only needs you to be pure on the inside, become a chrisitian or something.

WHy are you calling yourself a Sikh if you dont even agree with what guroo ji is saying, let alone following.

"If a son does not look like his father, what do you call him?"-sant jarnail singh ji khalsa bhindranvale.

HHHHMMmm i think i was getting carried away wid my views on this topic (and life). Okay, i completely change everything. Yeah, i agree to being both pure on the in and out side. Also, i should stop worrying with what others think, as what Guru jee will think counts.

Also, i shouldnae worry about Jhathae bandhi (or wat eva it was). Thanks a lot, peops, my views have now changed and with the grace of true satguru my eyes are opened. I really need to make a fresh start from here on. Spose i could do an Ardaas for guidance (and NOT worry about anything else or wat otehrs think).

nICE BROTHER , BE a humble sikh follow HIS TEACHINGS WITH DEVOTION GURU JI WILL BE UR SIDE BUT INSTIL HUMILITY i hope u understand.

Hawk bro, its cool, but infantry is more important than navy.

and what about the ranks??

I have made my own ranks

but they are stupid

Too many ranks

BTW, bro, please post the 2nd part of that letter plz

Sorry for delay for post navy does not mean full scale navy small no of submarines , missile boats and naval commandos r the biggest assets. Ranks can be of any kind army should have BRITISH PATTERN even RUSSIA , CHINA R ADOPTING THE SAME. inFANTRY, COUNTER INTELLIGENCE, COMMOMANDO UNITS, light artilery can do the job. air force will have compact pilotless planes. GURDWARA SHOULD INVEST IN INDUSTRIES TO GENERATE FUNDS.BUT POLITICAL SYSTEM BACKING THE ARMY IS MUST .WHAT THE CHURCILL SAID AFTER THE SET BACK FROM THE NAZIS THESE ALONG WITH GURU JI MOTTO NISHCHE KAR APNI JEET KARO WAHE GURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

U can watch my letters Bhagat Singh did take Amrit .He wrote petition to the viceroray and to Punjab highcourt desiring to take Amrit 7DAYS BEFORE his execution these documents one should not look into propaganda of leftists and MAHASHSAS(ARYA SAMAJIS)

Bhagat singh made great sacrifice but his family was never harrased and killed, unlike sikh fighters of 80s.U have to make fool of ur self dying for india just sikh soliders did in KARGIL

I think who is not loyal to GURU JI and disobey by becoming patit cannot be loyal to anyone . He can be loyal to just to remain ghulam of socalled society who during medival times allows their women folk to be sold now they make fun of sikhs by making stupid jokes

Hawk, i really like your idea. An air force is cool...

Just like the freedom fighters in Sri Lanka have...

But from where all that money???

Yearly in the crores must be spent on the maintance of that...

But unlike others, i wud appreciate if Khalistanis take help from ISI.

DEAR FRIEND if even 30% sikhs cotribute their dasvandh we will not need any outside help modern state of 21th century can ditch any one for their selfish interest. It will be better we should be selfdependent help from anyone should be welcome.

when khalistan happens, it will be capitalist in nature. this is the way people are.

VEER JI oUR GURUS have given us comlete political system

we need just codification those praying for SARBAT DA BHAALA cannot become capilist SIKH POLITICAL SYSTEM is itself perfect HISTORY SHOWS us only KHALSA HAS SET UP GREAT EXAMPLE OF NOT SUPRESSING the ENEMIES WHENEVER IT COMES TO POWER EVEN COMMUNIST NATIONS LIKE RUSSIA CHINA KILLED CRORES OF ITS OPPNENTS but cite any example when KHALSA SUPRESSED ITS OPONENTS EVEN DURING MEDIVAL TIMES. It is just miscoception created by fanatic hindu media and leftist people about sikh state FIRST THESE PEOPLE SHOULD SEE THEIR TRACK RECORD THEN COMMENT ABOUT SIKH THOUGHT.Sikh state was most secular in practice even in medival times in modern time it will be most FAIR LET US WORK FOR IT.

Hawk, can you please post the letter that you mentioned about, that Khalistan army?

What are ur guys view on SS Mann??

I think hes good.

YES SUNNY brother we have to create full fighting force consisting of air and naval forces if state have defence budget why we cannot have same we r ecomically sound than hindus and biggest cotributers to Indian budget according to latest reports. Instead of going for few kills one should hit bull,s eye we cannot underestimate any enemy as present enemy is worst than mughals , they may even use nuclear weapons and blame Pakistan . MY idea may look foolish but one have to be practical if ltte and muslim fighters of kashmir can have small air power that is no reason why we can not have one biger one.AS FAR AS SS MANN IS concerned he has made the big sacrifice there is no doubt about it but he has made some mistakes also he should have taken the oath in 1989 as he did in 1997 diplomatic fight is also essential along with other things. Another mistake he did to forsake KHALISTAN ISSUE in recent elctionsin feb2007. On the cotraray ATINDER PAL SINGH FOUGHT ELCTIONS AGAINIST PS BADAL SOLELY ON KHALISTANI AGENDA FROM LAMBI but other sikh groups have such a phobia for khalistan that THEY CAMPAIGNED againist ATINDER INSTEAD OF SUPPORTING HIM. Criminal cases were filed againist ATINDER for raising and distributing khalistani literature a large no of his party men r being picked up and tortured daily.As far as Political fight is concerned ATINDERPAL SINGH is well ahead of other leaders he also successfully raised sikh state issue BEFORE UNO EARTH SUMMIT but there is ego clash between MANN and ATINDER UNLESS ALL sikh groups come togeather and there is unity between leaders like atinder mann, satnamm singh all individuals efforts will be destroyed. Even shedding khalistani agenda none of sikh leader could win there is another silent genocide of sikhs is going on but none realises it. There is going to power failure dear friend write more next time.

To my opinion Manmohan singh and Harkishan singh surjeet r biggest GHULAMS. Surjeet is so worthess he created false sikh fighters to kill sikhs Gurcharn Singh Thohra was his agent who was in payroll of intelligence bureau and used to get monthly amount of 300-800 during 1955-71 at that time it was a big amount tohra planted left minded preachers inSGPC WHO still r preaching left ideology has no regard for SIKHISM. Among them is gs grewal former vc of GNDU. These socalled leftminded people even indulged in smoking and drinking .Now in SGPC fight is between pro rss and left minded people calling them sikh is making fool of himself. Apart from POLITICAL GHULAMI cultural ghulami is more dangerous we should avoid visiting hindu holy places and doing jakarataras of devis .

Delhi Takht te bethegi Khalistani Fauj;

Chattar Jhoolenge Sees Par, Bohat Hovegi Mauj!

sunnybondsingh ji , please try to control urself...

u r showing disrespect to gurbani by editing it

""Delhi Takht te bethegi Khalistani Fauj;

Chattar Jhoolenge Sees Par, Bohat Hovegi Mauj! ""

next time, please take care..

gurfateh ji

IT IS NICE TO SEE MY YOUNG FRIENDS R FREEDOM LOVING WE WILL HAVE OUR NATON SOONER THAN WE THINKS IF WE USE PROPER PATH THA IS CREATION DISPLINED DEFENCE FORCES AND COUNTER INTELLIGENCE SYSTEM I HOPE DASMESH REGIMENT SUNNY BOND AND BARJINDER JI WILL AGREE WITH IT

IT IS FOR , THE SANGAT OF CANADA SUKHWINDER GREWAL OF BJP YUVA MORCHA IS COMING TO CANADA HE IS FASIST MEMBER OF BJP HIS ANTI SIKH ACTIONS 1 ATTACK ON THE SIKH BIBIS HOLDING DEMOSTRATION AGAINIST THE VISIT OF LK ADVANI IN 2005 THESE BIBIS BELONG TO SAD AMRITSAR OF SS MANN. 2 SHOWING DIS GRACE TO POSTERS OF SANT JARNAIL SINGH JI

3 HOLDING OF ARMS TRINING CAMPS IN PUNJAB SPREADING DIS INFORMATION ABOUT SIKH GURUS. THREAT TO MEMORIALS RAISED IN MEMORY OF SIKH SHAEEDS BY SHIROMANI AKALI DAL INTERNATIONAL. 4 PLACING OF PICTURES OF BJP LEADERS WITH OUR GURUS . THAT PERSON IS PLANNING TO STAY FOR ONE MONTH IN VANCOVER AND TRONTO TO ENROLL MEMBERSHIP FOR FASIST BJP SADH SANGAT WILL BE DOING GREAT SERVICE TO PANTH IF THEY HOLD PROTESTS ON THE PATTERN OF PROTESTS HELD AGAINIST MANN SINGH PEHOWA AND ASK GOVERMENT OF CANADA TO BAN HIS ENTRY AS HE WAS RUNNING TERORRIST TRAINING CAMPS FOR HINDU TERORRISTS. I HOPE THE SANGAT OF CANADA WILL LISTEN TO A HUMBLE SERVANT OF KHALSA TO PROTEST AGAINIST THIS ANTI SIKH LEADER OF BJP

"but unlike in past we have to launch full scale war."

Can you please explain more?

YES I HAVE ALREADY WRITTEN A DETAILED LETTER BROTHER IT MEANS IN EACH FIELD BE IT IN POLITICAL PRPOGANDA EACH FIELD UNLIKE; IN PAST WE HAVE TO FIGHT LIKE ARMED FPRCES LIKE WE HAVE TO CREATE OUR OWN ARMY AIR FORCE AND NAVY AS CHURCILL ;S STRATEGY HAVE TO BE ADOPTED THAN WE WILL ACHIEVE OUR TARGET SOON WE R ECONOMICALLY WE LLOFF WE HAVE TO CREATE COUNTER INTELLIGENCE NETWORK I MEAN IT WE HAVE TO WAGE ARMED STRUGLE SOONER OR LATER IT WILL BE BETTER IF INSTEAD OF KILLING FEW KILLERS WE ADOPT THE TACTICS OF BADA BHADUR

Veeron

Said it before.....

Sayin it again....Sikhs Dont need Khalsitan. and i say it without any second thughts too.

Tribute & Heads down respect all the shaheeds of 84 and all who contributed for the Formation of Khalistan when it was required and needed.

What Sikhi needs is Unity in the Panth and people to move out of their $ Houses $ and work for the Panth.

You people got no Idea what level of conviction and commitment it takes to when we talk abt formation of a Nation.

Is the formation of a state its culmination???????What about its success as Country and the Survival of the people after the formation of the political boundaries.

Show me one place in India where there is agitation in the Sikh Masses against the present Indian Government.

Please anwer these questions before continuing your plans for the State.

Fateh.

DEAR BROTHER , sikhs in india r badly suprresed why they make jokes of sikhs these r not jokes it is silent genoside rss and hindu bodies gets arms trainig in punjab r they doing it f physical fitness answer is no they r preparing f genocide sikhs r more interested in cars drugs than arms which is just part of our body dear rother read BANI SEE THE CONCEPT OF BEGUMPURA AND HALIMI RAJ IT IS BASIS OF SIKH NATIONISM

Balrjinder is right

sunny my young friend it is nice u have feeling of sikh nationlism. u know how the sikh nationism orginated it was originated with birth of GURU NANAK DEV JI WHO GAVE THE COCECPT OF HALIMI RAJ WE RECITE FROM GURU GRANTH SHAIB BEGUMPURA OR CITY WITHOUT SORROW FROM BANI OF RAVIDASS JI THOSE OPPOSE SIKH NATIONALISM R ALSO OPPOSING SIKHISM please go throgh JAP SHAIB IN WHICH IT IS WRITTEN AJAT HAI AJAD HAI HALIMI RAJ MEANS TRUE WELFARE STATE FROM THE JAP SHAIB IT IS CLEAR KHALSA IS INDEPENDENT U KNOW THERE WAS A STANZA BEFORE THE RAJ KAREGA KHALSA IT WAS DILLI TAKHT DE BETHEGI GURU KI FAUJ ITWAS THE HUKUM OF GURU JI TO TAKE RAJ but my brother i have respect for each indivdividual and group who have made sacrifice for khalstan even those fighting political r doing nice job political support is also must we lost kingdom in1849 due to the lack of political support. track record of khalsa rule is better unlike communists in RUSSIA WHO KILLED 3 CRORE PEOPLE FOR OPPOSITION ALTHOUGH THEY DISLIKE RELIGION BBUT WHY THEY KIILED LARGE PEOPLE IS JUST HYPOCRICY THEY HAVE INFILITRATED SIKH INSTITUTION LIKE SGPC THE ALSO RECRUITED THEMSELVES AS CATS . Yes babbars r good but others r also good but unlike in past we have to launch full scale war .

he was used as an agent by the government - willingly or unwillingly

he has also been named as falcon - the governments double agent in sant ji's close group

he surrendered and did not fight

he was then released from jodhpur jail by rajiv gandhi to split the militants

he could not be trusted. too much risk. he was then shot.

the babbars apparently got him. the signal to kill him was a call from a babbar in canada - the babbar who ordered the hit wanted to hear the shot

i donot know whether mr sandhu was the another falcon or not. real falcon name was published in times of india 3 months back he was a raw officer bhindrawle tigers leader karj singh came to know about it but it was too late karj singh was shot by him he was a bhiya in garb of sikh he planted fake militants during operation black thunder what the fake militants did every one knows raw officer name was dave singh

Hawk, i wasnt born in 1992, when my uncle was killed... But my father says that he was caught with 6 others because of some black cats of belgium and then he was hanged on a tree and shot....

Dunno about the drug u r talking about... Anyways, u have a much knowledge on khalistan and its fighters

Thats really good young friend narender modi seeked permission to use this drug in 2003 on muslim fighters then it was reported in Hidustan times this banned drugs were used on all sikh fighters since 1985 who were captured and later killed in fake encounters even other methods of inhuman torture were also used this drug destroys the brain slowly even one survives victim will die in most miserable manner