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  1. Firstly I want everyone to share their opinion on this. This is not a debate this is just to share opinions. I believe that these hindu gods kinda exist. By that I mean I belive they are legandary and I believe Gurbani says the same. Legendary meaning people like them existed but the storys are likely embellish or false. One point people bring up to show that the Guru supports their existence and all the events associated with them is chobis avtar. This path was wrriten by Guru Gobind Singh no denying that but what style of writing/genre is it. I belive firstly it a translation the Guru gave to the people with his katha. I also belive that much of this is just literature. By that I mean the guru doesn't inted for us to take this literally. It is wrriten to teach a moral/lesson or to motivate us. My opinion looks at Gurbani but also looks at historical evidence. In this part I will only talk about the 2 main epics. So from a historical perspective the Mahabharata like the Iliad is a story about likely a true war (Seems to be more evidence for the trojan war) which has been extremely embellished to make an epic. So it is probably history combined with myth making legend. I couldn't really find much on the Ramayan other than Ravana having a kingdom on Sri Lanka doesn't match the archeological evidence. At the end of the day all these hindu texts were wrriten by poets not historians. They are here to tell a story NOT HISTORY.
  2. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh, As I understand it, Gurbani is quite open to the idea that the Hindu deities exist (albeit in not as exalted a state as the Hindus believe) in certain realms of the universe. Is Gurbani also receptive to the idea that the gods of Greek and Norse Paganism may be real? There are a good many parallels between the Gods and myths of Indic and European paganism. A thunder God (Indra, Thor) defeating a great serpent who forms a circle to contain the waters of the world, a sun God (Surya, Helios, Sol) who rides across the sky in a chariot, and a great many more. If anyone well versed in the intricacies of Gurbani could provide some insight on the matter, I would be grateful. I would also appreciate the views of those familiar with Paganism. Would it be anti-Gurmat to incorporate a Pagan reverence of nature into one's practice of Sikhi. I often feel like I wish I could demonstrate my love for the natural world through some spiritually-charged action (humans have an innate need for ceremony and ritual after all).
  3. Alright, I think I have already posted this in another thread but I think this is could be a discussion in its own, hence I am starting this thread. Time for Sikhs to le go of this garbage called Panjabi culture.All this filth of Heer Ranjjha, Sassi-Punnu, Sohni-Mahiwal, Bulle Shah, Waris Shah etc was spouted by Muslims. It certainly has nothing to do with Sikhi and contradicts everything that Sikh religion stands for. As for the moderns "Panjabi culture" thee less said the better- it is all about casteism, getting drunk/high or false pride disguised as "anakh". Panjabi culture is a defective, stupid and pagan culture. One of the key objectives o Sikh religion was to emancipate the masses from the falsehood of this silly pagan culture and lead them to the path of truth. Anybody could be a Panjabi. Those Muslims from West Panjab and Malerkotla, those Panjabi Hindus, those cults like Ravidasis,Radha Swamis, Dera Lucha Sauda and all such zillion followers of such false evil cults are all Panjabis. Should we embrace them as our brothers? Well I can tell you that they would more than glad to see Sikhs become extinct. It is time to wake up from this illusion of "Panjabiyat " and "Panjabi brotherhood". I say, let Panjabi culture and "Panjabiyat" go to hell. Let both sides of Panjab burn and turn into wastelands. All this would could be tolerated as long as Sikhi prospers and proliferates. Time to make up your minds folks- who are you? Sikh or Panjabi?
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