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Guest posted a topic in GUPT FORUMDear piyaare Sangat Jeeo I have a humble request to ask - how does one get out of suffering the consequences of slandering a saint. My background and story is complicated and so I will try to explain it in as much detail as possible in hopes that someone can help me. I am a 26 years old male who has been trying to practice sikhi, since as long as I can remember as a child. Since the start of this janam I have came into this world with a deaf ear (left ear). I suffer from mild to moderate hearing in my only functioning ear (right). This has lead me to believe that I may have slandered people in the past (possibly even a saint) to get this punishment. As a result of my past actions I struggle with life - my relationships are never at peace, my educational success is never good (I got 6 U’s at A levels), I got a 2:1 at university but after 6 years of studying and got a penalty for plagiarism. Even with a degree I work at a factory Wharehouse that gives me inconsistent shifts (3days work out of 7) which has lead me to be poor and miserable… ਸੰਤ ਕਾ ਨਿੰਦਕ ਰਾਜ ਤੇ ਹੀਨ ॥ ਸੰਤ ਕਾ ਨਿੰਦਕ ਦਖੀਆ ਅਰ ਦੀਨ ॥ Sanṯ kĝ ninḝak rĝj ṯė hīn. Sanṯ kĝ ninḝak ḝukẖīĝ ar ḝīn. The slanderer of the Saint has no kingdom. The slanderer of the Saint becomes miserable and poor. I have no friends I speak non of my cousins as no one wants to associate with me, everyone talks behind my back including my family (close and far) doubt me, they believe I’m a failure, a loser, tehy call me stupid and goofy, untrustworthy and unreliable. I’ve suffered a car accident at 21. I was brought up in absolute violence, as my parents used to fight over their marriage. I have no hope for the future as nothing ever goes right for me. These are just some of the issues I face in my life, there are plenty more… ਸੰਤ ਕਾ ਦੋਖੀ ਸਦਾ ਅਪਵਿਤ ॥ ਸੰਤ ਕਾ ਦੋਖੀ ਕਿਸੈ ਕਾ ਨਹੀ ਮਿਤ ॥ Sanṯ kĝ ḝokẖī saḝĝ apviṯ. Sanṯ kĝ ḝokẖī kisai kĝ nahī miṯ. The slanderer of the Saint is forever impure. The slanderer of the Saint is nobody's friend. All of these issues have led me to realise that I have slandered a saint in my past life somewhere and I am suffering as a result. Sukhmani sahib says to slander a saint is the worst sin of all, I believe it. sukhmani sahib says: ਸੰਤ ਕੇ ਦੋਖੀ ਕਉ ਨਾਹੀ ਠਾਉ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਸੰਤ ਭਾਵੈ ਤਾ ਲਝ ਮਿਲਾਇ ॥੪॥ Sanṯ kė ḝokẖī kao nĝhī ṯẖĝo. Nĝnak sanṯ bẖĝvai ṯĝ laė milĝė. ॥4॥ The slanderer of the Saint has no place of rest. O Nanak, if it pleases the Saint, then even such a one may merge in union. ॥4॥ I really do feel that I have no place of rest. it also says: ਸੰਤ ਕਾ ਦੋਖੀ ਅਧ ਬੀਚ ਤੇ ਟੂਟੈ ॥ ਸੰਤ ਕਾ ਦੋਖੀ ਕਿਤੈ ਕਾਜਿ ਨ ਪਹੂਚੈ ॥ Sanṯ kĝ ḝokẖī aḝẖ bīcẖ ṯė tūtai. Sanṯ kĝ ḝokẖī kiṯai kĝj na pahūcẖai. The slanderer of the Saint breaks down mid-way. The slanderer of the Saint cannot accomplish his tasks. As you can see from my personal life (education and work) my affairs don’t get accomplished. I really do believe I suffer like this… ਸੰਤ ਕਾ ਦੋਖੀ ਇਉ ਬਿਲਲਾਇ ॥ ਜਿਉ ਜਲ ਬਿਹੂਨ ਮਛਲੀ ਤੜਫੜਾਇ ॥ Sanṯ kĝ ḝokẖī io billĝė. Jio jal bihūn macẖẖulī ṯaṛafṛĝė. The slanderer of the Saint bewails like this - like a fish, out of water, writhing in agony. as nothing goes right in my life. sukhamni sahib also describes the reason for my deaf ear… ਸੰਤ ਕਾ ਦੋਖੀ ਬਿਗੜ ਰੂਪ ਹੋਇ ਜਾਇ ॥ ਸੰਤ ਕੇ ਦੋਖੀ ਕਉ ਦਰਗਹ ਮਿਲੈ ਸਜਾਇ ॥ Sanṯ kĝ ḝokẖī bigaṛ rūp hoė jĝė. Sanṯ kė ḝokẖī kao ḝargeh milai sajĝė. The slanderer of the Saint becomes deformed. The slanderer of the Saint receives his punishment in the Court of the Lord. As you guys can see, I have reason to believe that I have slandered a saint in my past life and I am in a janam where I am suffering the consequences of it and there seems to be no escape. I practice Gurbani as much as I can, I am inconsistent due to my suffering as if I’m suffering I reduce my bani. On average over the last 10 years I do my nitnem at minimum, sometimes though I go weeks without doing it. I listen to a lot of Gurbani shabads include: har jio nimaania tu ma’am, tohi mohi mohi tohi, rogi kar parbh kandoh rog, Lakh kushiyan pathshiyan, kar bande tu bandagi, vin boleya san kich jandha, man tu jot saroop hai apna mool pachan and many more. if you guys have gotten this far reading my post thank you, my question is how do I erase the sin of slandering a saint, it feels as if there’s no way out for such a sin. A apologies for my poor grammar and structure of this post. Please feel free to ask for clarification if needed. Please enlighten me sangat jeeo. Waheguru ji ka khalsa Waheguru ji ki fateh
What does one do when another is slandering them? What about in a circumstance where someone spreads false rumours about you and/or leads a character assassination? It is difficult to not react because your reputation is being falsely tarnished. thanks in advance Sangat Ji.
'Slander' of another person is forbidden in Sikhi. This is also extended to the religious faiths these people profess. However we as a qaum have yet to quantify the term 'slander', and arrive at a collective definition. Everybody seems to have one of their own. One interpretation of the prohibition against slander is that nothing bad is to be said about anybody else's beliefs, period. This viewpoint is propounded by the more inert Sikhs who insist that Sikhi is somehow averse to prosleytization, that it considers all religions to be equally worthy of respect as divergent, but ultimately fruitful paths to God. Moreover this notion that Sikhi is passive and yielding is actually considered to be a point of pride for some people - the tired old idea "Sikhism has no missionaries", attended by a sort of subtle smugness. Is it any wonder that the Sikh voice is so muted in the interfaith and religious agora of the world, or that our religion is one which most people haven't heard about and whose views on anything are rarely sought? If slander is what these people claim it is, then could it not be argued that our Gurus were 'slanderers'? Is slander simply that which gives offense? It is not entirely inconceivable Guru Amar Das Sahib offended the religious sensibilities of a good many Muslims and Hindus when he prohibited their womenfolk from entering his darbar wearing veils. Was this slander? It seems rather like the behaviors which some Sikhs consider to be slanderous. Guru Nanak Dev Ji was hardly timid in his handling of other belief systems, he even made jokes at their expense. If he didn't keep quiet out of respect for their beliefs when he saw something fundamentally wrong with them, then why should his Sikhs?