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I read the following passage in another thread. Instead of going off topic on the original thread, I have created this new one. -------------------------------------------------------------- I disagree that Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma has achieved many things by siding with Parkash Badal and his Dal. What has Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma accomplished in the affairs of the SGPC, Punjab's Government, or Sikh sovereignty since he's headed Dam Dami Taksal Mehta, headed the Sant Samaj, and nurtured such a warm relationship with the Badal family and the Shiromani Akali Dal (Badal) at large? I see a few things that may be seen as accomplishments by Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma The 1984 memorial complex being created The removal of the Nanakshahi calendar Getting approval for Taksal's kathavachaks to do parchar from Manji Sahib A "Martyr's Gallery" at the 1984 memorial (http://indianexpress.com/article/cities/chandigarh/apex-body-accepts-damdami-taksals-demand-4708101/) On a panthic level, can any of the above be termed as any significant achievement or contribution for our nation by a person who heads one of the oldest Sikh schools, an organization of Sants/Vidhvaans, and has relations with influential political leaders? They can not; these are paltry victories in the face of immense issues of our community. The biggest issues of the Panth (including but not limited to): The decline of Sikhi in Punjab Due to things like: Proliferation of drugs, lack of parchaar and spiritual sustenance, government suppression of Sikh movements Lack of justice and healing from 1984 and following genocide Tens of thousands Sikhs killed, tortured, detained, made political prisoners, and continued mass impunity for perpetrators Corruption at the Akal Thakht, SGPC, and Sikh institutions Focussing on the SGPC, has Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma done much of anything to elicit worthwhile change in all the shortcomings, mismanagement, corruption, and overall foolishness of the SGPC? In the video below Jathedar Ranjit Singh outlines many of the ways the Badal family has usurped the Sikhs' sovereign power and misused the Panth's power and wealth for their own benefit. He also talks about many actions of the SGPC that are blatantly corrupt. The Badals more or less ordered the SGPC to hand over the rights to relaying Gurbani from Harmandir Sahib from ETC Punjabi to PTC Punjabi at no charge. While the SGPC was to receive payment from ETC for the deal, the SGPC has received no compensation from the Badal family for the over 1100 Crore Rupees that PTC Punjabi owes as of 2013! Time and time again Baldev Singh Sirsa and Jathedar Ranjit Singh expose scams executed by SGPC officials to enrich themselves at the expense of the Sikh nation's funding. Property Scam - https://www.sikh24.com/2017/05/12/baldev-singh-sirsa-exposes-property-scam-in-sgpc-during-avtar-makkars-tenure/#.WYzaf_krKHs Property Scam - http://indianexpress.com/article/india/sgpc-chief-to-probe-land-deal-during-avtar-singh-makkars-tenure4789971/ Recruitment Scam - http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/recruitment-scam-in-sgpcrun-guru-granth-sahib-world-un Badal seeking favours from Gurdwara Judicial Panel - http://www.tribuneindia.com/2002/20020522/main6.htm You will notice the SGPC always constituting its own "committees" of its own men to investigate. Does anyone think that will ever lead to a credible investigation where the truth and justice is of utmost importance? Nope. When a judicial panel tells the SGPC to have a private firm do an audit, the SGPC just ignores it. Complete disregard. - http://sikhsangat.org/2009/sikh-gurdwara-judicial-panel-slaps-contempt-notice-on-sgpc/ From the 7:00 mark Jathedar Ranjit Singh goes through the misdeeds of the Badal family and the SGPC. In relation to "2. Lack of Justice and Healing from 1984 and following genocide, What has Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma done with his influence on the Badal family and SGPC in that area? Thousands of Punjab police officers involved in our genocide have roamed with impunity. Badal Dal, while promising over many elections, particularly in the 1990s to punish all the guilty has done the complete opposite. They have sheltered, protected, rewarded, and saluted those same officers, and not just the big boys like Sumedh Saini, Izhar Alam, etc.. Did Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma do anything to use his political influence on the Badals to have impartial investigations, charges, and eventual punish meted down for the guilty? Some may know that the Shiromani Akali Dal used to have a "Shiromani Akali Dal Human Right Wing"; Jaswant Singh Khalra was the General Secretary of it. Why do you think that wing has gone into oblivion? Khalra and others working in that wing investigated and uncovered the crimes of the government. The Badals don't want such crimes to see the light of day and have as such instituted policy not to support human right endeavours in the political party of the Sikhs or the SGPC. Has Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma done anything to get the SGPC or Akali Dal to mobilise their resources toward hiring investigators, former police officers, former judges, or lawyers to research, investigate, and expose to the world, and begin legal proceedings for all those crimes that were committed against the Sikhs? Jathedar Gurdev Singh Kaunke was tortured and murdered by Jagraon Police. A report was conducted by the Punjab government but was never released. Badal promised to release it if it came into power. He never did. What has Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma done to get that report released? Especially since this particul victim was of such high regard from Dam Dami Taksal. In relation to "3. Corruption at the Akal Thakht, SGPC, and Sikh institutions" The Akal Thakht and SGPC has been controlled by the political overlords, whether it was Tohra or Talwandi exerting their influence, or the Badals in the modern day. The "leaders" of our nation in the form of Thakht Jathedars are chosen by the Badals to be "yes men", support the status-quo, and be wielded for political gain. The SGPC president is chosen in this exact way too. What has Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma done to change these political interferences and institute a system by with the nation chooses its leaders? What actions has he taken to ensure leadership at these levels works for the betterment of the community instead of the political betterment of the Badal family? While everyone makes much fuss over the Indian government destroying and stealing our priceless historical artifacts in 1984, the destruction that the SGPC has either directly or indirectly caused to our heritage is spectacular. Dozens if not hundreds of buildings razed or allowed to crumble. The possessions and artifacts of our Guru's and prominent Sikhs decay and turn to dust; this is living history going to waste forever to be inaccessible to our future generations. The SGPC has been aware of all this but this is not a priority for them. I'm sure Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma knows of this too. What has he done to mobilise SGPC resources towards the preservation of our history? I find it ironic that such a learned individual will do katha of and teach katha of Suraj Parkash or Panth Parkash, but that actual history he narrates he doesn't seem to be too bothered about protecting. Uncovered during the Badal's construction of the horrendous plaza outside Harmandir Sahib - https://www.sikh24.com/2013/12/02/sgpc-set-to-destroy-more-sikh-heritage/#.WYzdNvkrKHs Mansion of Mangal Singh Ramgarhia near Harmandir Sahib demolished. SGPC knew and did nothing. http://news.ukpha.org/2013/09/mansion-of-sikh-general-mangal-singh-ramgharia-razed-to-the-ground/ Relics of the Guru's decaying - http://news.ukpha.org/2013/02/priceless-possessions-left-to-decay-in-neglected-forts-among-them-relics-of-guru-gobind-singh/ Relics of Guru Arjan Dev Ji decaying going to waste - http://news.ukpha.org/2013/02/as-bilgas-treasure-decays-villagers-seek-outside-help/ Finally, while he has been President of the Sant Samaj for a great length of time, the other Vidhvaans of the organization have become disillusioned with his leadership or lack-there-of. Mahapurakhs like Baba Lakhbir Singh Ratwara Sahib, Baba Hari Singh Randhawe wale, Baba Amir Singh Jawaddi Taksal wale, Baba Seva Singh Rampur Khere wale all have left or distanced themselves from the Sant Samaj due to its wayward leadership and direction. - https://sikhsiyasat.net/2017/02/03/93-sant-samaj-leaders-part-ways-baba-harnam-singh-dhumma/ Many of the occurrences and facts I have presented above are not caused or created by Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma. However, in being the leader of Dami Dami Taksal and the Sant Samaj, and having such warm and close relations with the Badal family, the SGPC, and Shiromani Akali Dal (Badal), he has achieved very little in rectifying or ameliorating any of those issues in any meaningful way. It is treachery and deception with the Panth for Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma to have aligned, supported, and collaborated with the Badal family and the Shiromani Akali Dal (Badal); and to think, I haven't even mentioned Badal's and the Shiromani Akali Dal's collusion and cooperation in the June 1984 attack and subsequent smothering of the resistance movement. Have other leaders in the Panth also joined and supported the Badal family? Yes. But, no dharmic leader has been closer or supported the Badals with more zeal than Baba Harnam Singh Dumma. What triumph has he produced from that support? Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma may well have done a lot of things over his lifetime, however, the high position and influence he has been given have gone to waste. He does not seem to to have the wit, vision, strategic acumen, or transparency that Sikhs require from a person in such a position. -------------------------------------------------------------- If there are any mistakes or criticisms of the above analysis please voice them!
Hi all, Sorry for long post, all Information is necessary to understand the situation. I got engaged to a girl in India in March 2015. I felt she didn’t want to talk to me when I called her, when I talk to my parents, they said the marriage broker(aka “vichola” who was also the girl`s nana) told you and us that girl is very nice, cultured and shy, that’s why she doesn’t talk. Everytime I called her, I asked everything, she never ask me anything and only answered in yes, no, um….I again talk to my parents but they scold me, I didn’t say anything again. We all went to India and I got married in December 2015, we got home from the marriage at 8:30 pm. First thing girl says when I walk inside room, “I got married against my will”. Next morning, she says “If you touch me, I will commit suicide”. Third day, she points at the newspaper article as if to show me “Girl killed by in-laws over dowry”. We didn’t even ask or take a single item from the girl`s family. I didn’t say anything to parents for they didn’t listen to me earlier and I wanted to kill myself, but couldn’t out of love for my parents. I would also take my food where I was alone and chuck it to the street dogs or in the bin, only having 3 roti each day. In three days, my life was destroyed. I prayed to him, who knows everything and asked for his help. We went to girl`s house and lived there for a week, girl slept with her mom all days and we slept on the floor, while her family sleep on beds. I talk to her parents about her behaviour and her dad says “Do not tell your parents, we will talk to her”. When we come back to our house, girl says “If you tell anyone about all this, the consequences will be very bad for you and your family”. I was completely destroyed and prayed to god to save us all from this mess. Her file was sent to immigration with the wrong draft, my dad had the correct draft amount but no one listened to him. Since we were to move back to our country, we had given address of girl on visa application. The file got rejected and vichola said can you give correct amount and post the file. He sent the file to us and sorry for language, that fkin took the draft money my dad paid for the application. I told my dad to not send the file until I say. He said why, but I didn’t say anything. We came back and I told my parents everything, blaming them both for what happened. I said you didn’t listen to me and put me in this mess, maybe if you listened to me, instead of arguing and scolding, I might have told you earlier. However, god saved us all and I hope I can become a better person and a better sikh. I suffered for 5 weeks, not able to say anything and fearing for my family`s safety. That vichola fker didn’t tell us: - Girl had epilepsy and she becomes unconscious - She was taking medicines, which I saw in her purse - He propose this alliance so she could get a visa, fk those filthy pigs vichola, girl and her family. I hope they don’t even get a place in hell. - That she was married against her will. When we go back to our country, vichole also came because his son lived here and both father/son proposed this alliance. He came to our house and said “If you don’t bring the girl here, then the girl and her family can do anything in India”. Fkin threaten us, we told our lawyer who handled everything. After what happened, I think staying alone and not getting married is the best option. I cannot trust any person, let alone another girl. It will be too much if I have to go through this again, I might not survive the second time. However, I cannot forget how our master protected me and stopping me from harming myself. I am now much better than before and am happy, having regained the weight that I lost while in India (more than 5kg) and stopped taking anxiety tablet doctor prescribed me. People say foreigners get married in India and leave the girls, what about people like us??? Please post this on other forums so any brother/ sister going to India to get married knows of the dangers.
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/british-columbia/surrey-cancer-patient-sues-realtors-don-and-surinder-dhanoa-for-alleged-500k-loss-1.3522264 "" style="box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; vertical-align: bottom;"> Skip to main contentSkip to CBC accessibility page CBC.CAMENU Open news menu British Columbia " Surrey cancer patient sues realtors Don and Surinder Dhanoa for alleged $500K loss Realtors deny they 'defrauded' Manjit Kaur Gill CBC Investigates Natalie Clancy · Investigative Reporter | CBC News Vancouver · CBC News2 Hours Ago Don and Surinder Dhanoa, realtors with DM Group in Surrey, say allegtations are "false" (www.dmgrealtors.com) 11 shares 8 comments A Surrey cancer patient, Manjit Kaur Gill, claims realtors, Don and Surinder Dhanoa, took advantage of her deteriorating health to "cheat" her into an investment scheme that she says cost her half a million dollars, according to a notice of civil claim filed in B.C. Supreme Court. "Every night I go to bed and I feel like I'm cheated .... and I can't sleep" said Gill. The 61 year-old widow claims the husband and wife team have been family friends for 35 years, and that she trusted them. She claims she had profited from two real estate deals with the Dhanoas in the past. The couple denies all the allegations but Gill's lawsuit says that in September 2013, just a month after she learned her kidney cancer had spread to her brain, they misrepresented an investment opportunity. "I feel cheated" says Manjit Kaur Gill, alleging she lost half a million dollars in a real estate deal with family friends. (cbc) She claims the Dhanoas asked her to invest $500,000 in a deal to purchase a $17-million commercial property on King George Highway in Surrey. Gill claims Don Dhanoa pressured her to provide a bank draft made out to a numbered company, and he would provide a promissory note upon her return from a trip to visit relatives. Plans to shadow flip for profit The lawsuit claims Gill was promised a $1 million return on her investment in six months. The plan was that the Dhanoas would find a third party purchaser to re-assign the contract to, in a transaction known as shadow flipping. This kind of transaction has recently put realtors under intense scrutiny after the province announced new regulations on the reselling of contracts, In Gill's case, the property was never flipped because she believes the deal never went through. She claims when she asked the Dhanoas for details on the purchase, they refused to give her the exact address, citing a non-disclosure agreement with the vendor and buyer. Months went by while she underwent radiation treatment, and she waited for a promissory note or written contract. Eventually after two years, she claims she asked Don Dhanoa for repayment of what she believed was a short-term loan. Alleged 'conspiracy' to 'defraud' The allegations have not been tested in court, but Gill's lawsuit alleges that the Dhanoas breached their verbal contract and breached their fiduciary duty to Gill, or alternatively, "knowingly and deliberately conspired together with the intent to injure the Plaintiffs's by defrauding them..." The Dhanoas have a much different version of what happened with Gill's money. In their response filed in the case, the Dhanoas deny all of the allegations against them, and request the suit be dismissed with costs. "It's false, this has nothing to do with real estate" said Don Dhanoa when reached by phone. Investment was in India not Surrey: defendants The Dhanoas allege that Gill "was fully aware of her dealings with the corporate Defendant. All dealings were transparent and straightforward." The couple says the investment did not involve property in Surrey. It was a business overseas. "She clearly knew about her investment in India and did not disclose that to her son or daughter." says the response to claim. Don Dhanoa and his wife Surinder are among Surrey's "top-producing real estate professionals" according to their website www.dmgrealtors.com. (Facebook) In an email to CBC news, Don Dhanoa wrote, "Several companies invested in projects in India several years ago, it was nothing to do with the fact that I'm a realtor..." And he says they are also struggling with health issues. "They are trying to take advantage of us at a vulnerable time where I am in the process of getting a kidney transplant and my wife is the donor," wrote Dhanoa. Both parties say they met to try to resolve the matter before the lawsuit was filed. 'I have done nothing wrong,' says Dhanoa "They warned me that they would try and smear my reputation, I did not give in, as I have done nothing wrong" wrote Dhanoa. "In an attempt to blackmail me, they told me that they were going to sue my wife, my son and my daughter even though they have nothing to do with the corporate transaction." Martin Finch, lawyer for Manjit Gill says the lawsuit seeks to recover Gill's alleged losses. (cbc) His two children are also named in the suit along with a numbered company, 689939 B.C. Ltd.. In court documents Dhanoa, his wife and son claim they were "never agents" of the company that Gill paid. But annual reports obtained by CBC from B.C.'s corporate registry list both that son and his sister as the only named officers of the company, which was dissolved five months after Gill's claims her money was deposited. "Seeking to enforce your legal rights is not tantamount to blackmail, and it isn't blackmail" said lawyer Martin Finch who represents Gill, who is also preparing for more surgery after her cancer spread to her remaining kidney. Dhanoa's daughter has not yet filed a response to the suit
Anyone who has been following the story of Kala-Afghana, Prof Darshan Singh and Missionaries know that they have a couple of key lines that they keeeeepppp on repeating again and again and again and again. What are they? "We only believe in Guru Granth Sahib" "We only follow Guru Granth Sahib" "Guru Granth Sahib is everything for us" "We don't look at anything other than Guru Granth Sahib" "We are Guru Granth Sahib's Sikhs and nothing/no-one else's" And for many years now, they have theoretically through the internet and some conferences in banquet halls, etc, started a campaign which comes under many names. The following few come directly to mind: "Sikhi Lehar", "Ikaa Bani, Ik Gur, Iko Shabad Veechaar", "Guru Granth Da Panth", etc. Well now, it has finally materialized. This is a very critical moment in modern Sikh History, as if successful, Sikhi will be changed almost completely. Prof. Darshan Singh has created a new Jatheybandi or Jathaa. It's supposedly not for politics and only for Dharam/Religion. The name? Guru Granth Da Khalsa Panth. First of all, isn't he excommunicated? Yet shamelessly he still has very strong support all around the world from brainwashed individuals. Second of all, only Guru Granth is what they want to talk about. Remove Akal Takht Sahib and other Takhts and Jathedaars. Remove all other granths and literature. Remove Amrit Sanchaar as well as much more. They only want Guru Granth Sahib left. What they are practically doing is, through their sweet talk, they are cornering Sikhi into a dead end. With no where to go. "We only have Guru Granth Sahib and nothing else". And then, when there is nothing else except one Granth... that will be their most major chance to finish Sikhi once and for all. If there was a time for Panthic Jatheybandees to unite, it would be now. Because I can surely tell you that these missionaries have a lot of strength and power. They have become ever increasingly popular through their sweet talk and acting on Gurdwara stages. They have the media behind them too. They come on almost every punjabi program and almost every radio program and have been in the majority of Gurdwaras around the world as well. Keep your eyes open. This is clearly another tactic to get Sikhs against one another and cause further divisions. Because think about it. Every Sikh respects Guru Granth Sahib Jee. So there is no need for this new Jatha to be created. Right? Oh yeah, here's the link: http://.org/newspics/2013/01%20Jan%202013/08%20Jan%2013/07%20Jan%2013%20PDS%20makes%20GGDKP%20jathebandi.htm