immortal57

I agree with what you say. Now MOST amrit ceremonies are not the same as they were in 1699 since the punj pyarea back then became immortal and perfect. But I believe this still can happen if all the punj pyarea get brahmgian.

If the punj pyarea like you say are not perfect (not having brahmgian etc) then how can someone expect the people who take amrit not to falter?? I believe it is unfair on harpreet to judge her because of what I have written above.

'Symbolism of amrit ceremony- students receiving amrit was never meant to be some "mechanical/robotic process" where one gets bhramgyan like car gets assembled in assembly line and come out as "knight rider"...again its not assembly line processs where you wait in line and take amrit- have bhramgyan. Original panj pyares were part of divine, whole event was divine in nature- it was khalsa formal intiation- it had to be divine.'

I disagree because the original punj pyarea did get this and saying it is not meant to happen now is hypocritical - of course it is the word amrit is to make someone immortal if you come out of an amrit sanchaar ceremony still wondering why 'you' have not become deathless, immortal, fearless, omnipresent then the amrit sanchaar was NOT valid.

Veer ji it can't all be symbolism the amrit sanchaar even today must have the same power as it did before otherwise could we even call it amrit if not the same?

Where do u draw the line with this theory of yours?

If someone lies, is that because one of their panj told a lie 33 years ago?

Is every sin we commit somehow linked to weaknesses of the panj pyare?

We ourselves are responsible for the sins we commit.

There are examples of people i know who have taken amrit where the panj pyare were well know gursikhs with a veri high avastha but those same people have fallen and had to take pesh

However great the panj pyare are, the abhilakee has to be willing to put in their full effort to follow the path of gurmat.

I actually chuckled when i read that the blame of anybody commiting a kurehit should lie with the panj pyare.

I need help becuz 1 of my close buddy has a gambling addiction, plus hes getting me into it too ! Wutts some good advice and what does sikhi have to say about gambling ?

Thanks in advance

Never twist if your initial hand is over 17.

that is seriously one of the most confusing things i have ever read

You may well think short ugly midgets are 'cool' 'immortal57', but thats because people do generally identify with people in their own image. As for your lack of sense of humour and ability to read between the lines : I'm afraid there's nothing I can do to assist you. Just look at the message above yours. Someone thinks he's insulting me by saying "you're hilarious west london singh". The irony of course is that I take it as a compliment because, as I've stated many times on this forum, I do write jokes and funnies on the side, and have indeed in the past, made a few pennies from it.

So where does that leave your ability to read whats going on ? I go to pagan football matches, listen to pagan music, watch pagan movies and eat pagan food. Little did I know that the people that read my tongue in cheek history lesson (and yes....I am addicted to teaching history to people whether they wish to hear it or not) would be so lacking in a funny bone and general sense of knowledge that they'd fail to understand whats going on. What kind of person is that ? I'll you what kinda person......The kind of person that takes time to search, find and post a meaningless picture of an ugly podgy midget on a thread that isn't what he thinks it is. Get a life fella. Get out in the sun.

hahaha

y u so hung up on the dude being ugly? have u got self esteem issues lad?

come on here to vent and take it all out?

awww bachara, im free any time u need me dude

ill b ur shoulder to cry on

bin in the sun all day, glorious weather

u jelly?

if u didnt want people to talk about the rubbish u wrote, shudnt have rote it.

and it wasnt funny, so i didnt take it to be a joke

ill help u out on the humour side too if u want

i charge $57 an hour, PM me for details

oh btw im 5'11 and look amazing so i dont really relate to short ugly midgets :D

ps, took me 3 seconds to find tht pic, mirin?

Yes and no.

Yes, you're right the thesis is not going well. I've had mental block for several days now. In theory, I've done enough research to write a 500,000 word paper but in practice....I've hit a major stumbling block.

But no.....I ain't letting off steam here. Whether I'm happy or sad....grey or gay.....tired or buzzing....the one thing I always do is impart my knowledge. I don't need an excuse for it. Its something i was born to do. Thats all i was doing on this thread 'till some geezer came along and threw a spanner in the works.

I didnt know which one of your messages to quote so i just chose a random one.

It seems that you are confused. Whether the term and tradition of a honey moon has come from pagan traditions or not is irrelevant. The dude wants to go on holiday with his wife, a holiday after marriage is usually referred to as a honey moon. So he says he wants to go on a honeymoon. Just because he is using a word that may stand for "drinking mead" or whatever, doesnt mean that what he is doing is wrong. It is clear to most here what he meant by honeymoon. If you have a problem with a married couple going on holiday then i feel sorry for you.

BTW i get a christmas tree and presents at christmas time, am i a huge victim of the white man? Any advice for how to release myself from this evil culture? Plus i dont understand why people think that you are intelligent; anybody can write an articulate paragraph but if its a load of nonsense then it does not denote intelligence.

Look forward to your reply, however if youre jus gonna go on about culture and white man and paganism ill probably just respond with a cool picture.

like this

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh ||

Sorry to everyone for not being able to post a Sakhi in a while. So here's a really long one for you. (It is so long, I am going to have to give the link to it sobyou can view it in the original website.)

http://www.sikhiwiki...ermit_of_Kaalsi

:waheguru:

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh ||

amazing read

post one a day/week

Hi, I tie up my beard.

I have tried most gels but they are too weak. I have tried hair sprays but all these products leave my dhari shiny. Is there any product, spray or gel which is strong enough to hold your dhari without making it shine? I don't like the shine look, especially when the sun is out. I am in the UK, so I need something I can purchase here but I am willing to order from abroad if need be.

Ps: Please, don't waste yours and my time with 'why are you tying your beard anyway' comments.

WJKK WJKF

Ok this may sound silly but I want to know if that has a meaning.

So I went to the Gudwara like I try to do everyday in the morning, and I had me banana with me in my pocket as a snack for work . I thought id leave it in the car, as I didn’t want to bring it in the Gurdwara, partly because I feel I should offer it, and partly because I feel it was a banana and it was almost like joot so didn’t want to bring it in.

Anyways I did my Mata Tekh and then the Giani gave me Prasaad, and then opened up a box and what was in it? Yea a boxful of bananas. Now this Gurdwara when I go in the mornings hardly ever has a Giani giving Prasaad or fruit in the morning, this was the first time it did that I remember.

Now what is Waheguru trying to say here? I know this might seem like a silly post but it just feel like more of a coincidence that this happened, or is it just me???

Some of you guys have really lost the plot! Absolutely fanatical, can't believe it really. Lost for words.

http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=3087

take it how you will

So you may have read, or heard people saying sikhs are hindus could you provide quotes from Gurbani and Kathas from the past of where the Guroos denounced the hindu religion.?

I.E Guru Nanak Dev Jee refusing the sacred thread, touching the untouchables, allowing everyone to read and listen to gurbani.

Your assitance would be gratefull

http://sikhitothemax.com/Page.asp?SourceID=G&PageNo=471

Again it's not my view on Sri Chand and Udhasis, I showed what Sant said and what is Gurmat.. No doubt i have slandered people in the past, but in this very thread i haven't uttered a slander and keep to the topics. But others have and you have not jumped on them with your angry post. Many youth today confuse Bir Rass with anger and are delusioned that they are writing in Bir Rass or speaking with Bir Rass or attacked another physically in Bir Rass. They are full of anger and find excuses to lash out.

Sant Baba Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa stood up to Bibi Indira Gandhi and did you hear him say the things you said to me....childish thinking? We all can learn fro Sant ji and that's why i stopped slandering others and stick to the topic.

If you spent one day with me, you would see i treat white, punjabi, Gursikhs, punjabis with hair cuts, Hindus, Muslims with the same respect and no one has said to me you're being disrespectful. Just the other day i was doing seva at the Gurdwara and another attacked the seva I was doing. He attacked the seva because hes like it's not in Maharaj. I could have very easily attacked back and told him off, instead Satguru did kirpa and a two second (and i mean that literally) history lesson was given and he still was filled with anger and didn't want to hear it. He was somewhat like you, wanting to stand up to "narrow minded thinking". After that i went back to my seva and he took off. On the spot i did Ardas for him to get peace of mind and for myself for making a mistake and asked Maharaj on the spot to forgive him. Didn't know what the mistake was on my part, but i remembered every second we make mistakes as Maharaj says. If i attacked him then he would have lost his sharda in Maharaj and in other Singhs. Even though he was in the wrong, i didn't want to hurt him as he was being arrogant (acting like a brick wall not wanting to hear Sikh history).

If you feel this strongly that i'm wrong, then don't attack my post and make judgements about me (it makes you look arrogant and doesn't help your goal). Address my post my creating another thread and showing a lot of pyare to the listener and then address what i said. This will win over more people and get more people against me. The way to increase pyare in post is by listening to Gurbani or doing paat with deep devotion.

You didn't hurt my feelings. I was asking you the question why you slander me to help you out and move past the slander and be able to address my post with Gurbani Shabads that show I am spreading manmat. Where you explain the Shabad. Let's take the example of dancing. In the past i was slandered for saying dancing is not Gurmat. But then a video came to my attention where Sant ji is saying it, which i made a thread out of, and not a single person that said on the other thread we are allowed to do it to come forward now and say i understand it's not in Gurmat to dance because Sant ji is teaching it. To many Sant ji sounds rigid and narrow minded for saying what he did in the video, but is Sant ji rigid and narrow minded or are we missing the point on what Sikhi is? You actually answered in that thread and said Sant ji's words are true. So what made you say the words are true then? Not speaking in ego, but i knew before that video it's wrong to dance. Knowing this video existed just made me happy because now others will be able to understand a higher authority (Sant ji) is saying it. I wish i had all Sant ji's teachings memorized and knew exactly where to get the recording or writing, so others will humble down to Sant ji and listen. I know i have slandered many in the past and my jeevan is paying for that now. I physically see it, but learn from my mistakes and rise above the slander faster, so you don't waste time and gather more paap on your head.

Next time you feel like slandering me. Leave me a quick pm and i will explain myself to you. And if you still feel like posting, then i'll do you the honor of posting the pm, so you don't think i'm trying to stop the truth about my views from coming out.

Anyone who wants to slander him come meet us and slander Gagan to our faces ,don't give us rubbish about us being locked up

Yeah well you lot are just pure sick! You taunted him while he was alive now you slander him after death defending murderers.We aint making threats we're telling you and anyone else to bring it ,you want to slander him say it to our faces arrange a time and date all your sickos think that Gagan was finished off well you got another thing coming we're still here and as long as we are Gagan will never be finished,and no we're not a pathetic group all of your groups are obstacles in the path of Sikhism we couldn't give an F about Ragi Darshan hes got nothing to do with us or Gagan... You stupid rape allegations will never be proved to be true its just you people gossiping in your little Gurdwaras with your little Dholki Vaja groups up and down the UK especially the Midlands... You all taunted Gagan while he was alive and now you all continue it after his death - We vow to expose you all and the shadowy 'GurSikhs' behind the scenes all of you will be named in due time.Yes your RIGHT! Gagan was our BOY! not yours so keep your comments to yourselves ..if you don't want to like I said arrange a time and date and ALL of you can bring it ...lets see what you all can do ..an open challenge to all you so called panthic jathebandia and all your members

People are free to contact me or anyone at SikhNet if they have concerns. I am unable to "seek out" and answer everyone's questions. If someone is genuinly interested in SikhNet and has a concern or question they should contact us directly. We don't have time to engage and debate every little point or criticism....especially those that are not really interested in an answer and just want to criticize or find fault.

Anyone who is a user of SikhNet and has seen what we have been doing for the past 16+ years will know our motives are of service and should not believe the rant of anyone online. It's easy to criticize others....and get swayed by anything someone posts online......it's much harder to see the whole picture and give people the benefit of the doubt. It's easy to "spin" things any which way to serve someone own agenda to discredit something.

This path (Sikh) is one of unity and understanding...and the actions that I see of other Sikhs tearing each other down is really sad. More effort should be spent trying to help each other and lift each other up. We are doing what we can to try to help others. I wish more people would spend less time trying to find fault in others and more time serving others instead. This life energy is precious and should not be wasted arguing or putting people down.

Myself and the others at SikhNet have devoted their lives to serve and help others, and I think you and other should give us the benefit of the doubt when you reading stuff like what is posted on that website. The author of that website has his own movitves and agenda and it definitely is not to uplift others. Everything that he posts is soley to discredit and drag others into the dirt with him. Enough said.

I would encourage you to read our about page at: http://www.sikhnet.com/about-sikhnet and also read through the annual reports at the bottom which give an overview of things we have accomplished in different years as well as our budget/expenses.

gurfateh jee

came across a few 3ho videos on youtube, was impressed when i saw stuff like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZZAAxmAb5A

but left a bit ... confused by this:

was just wondering your thoughts on this video? random people dancing to simran as if its some pop concert?

sorry to hijack the thread, feel free to make a new thread to respond if you want.

i would have pm'd u, but my pm feature appears to be disabled, and i would have made a new thread but dont want to make a big deal of it

thanks in advance jee

I've just read the whole thread

Very interesting.

As a completely neutral party, the situation appears clear to me.

It is evident that there was an incident of attempted rape, regardless of how many people adamantly reject this notion.

However, i do think it necessary to look into the case further than this.

To me it seems that its a classic situation of a guy liking a girl and her not returning those feelings. The guy tried to make a pass and got rejected.

As a gursikh, yes these actions are wrong. This should be accepted by all.

I think the fact that he stopped and apologised countless times after the incident should also be taken into account when discussing his character.

From what i have read and researched on this story though, one thing remains clear; that the girl should have been handed out a much harsher sentence.

As to the stories of further alleged rapes and other accusations being thrown at the now deceased Singh, without proper evidence,

it wouldn't be right to take these into account in this kind of debate.

All should agree that yes, the Singh wasn't a saint, a completely innocent party, a top role model for all to follow, and his pass/ attempted rape is no doubt a major sin.

However, we should remain aware to the fact that the 'victim' of this attempted rape,

turned out to be much more malicious than her attacker and that ultimately led to the horrific death of this Singh.

Either way, slandering either party will not help now. What is done is done.

Awsw mhlw 5 ]

Aasaa, Fifth Mehla:

Twkur crx suhwvy ]

The Feet of my Lord and Master are so Beautiful!

hir sMqn pwvy ]1] rhwau ]

The Lord's Saints obtain them. ||1||Pause||

Awpu gvwieAw syv kmwieAw gun ris ris gwvy ]1]

They eradicate their self-conceit and serve the Lord; drenched in His Love, they sing His Glorious Praises. ||1||

eykih Awsw drs ipAwsw Awn n Bwvy ]2]

They place their hopes in Him, and they thirst for the Blessed Vision of His Darshan. Nothing else is pleasing to them. ||2||

dieAw quhwrI ikAw jMq ivcwrI nwnk bil bil jwvy ]3]7]147]

This is Your Mercy, Lord; what can Your poor creatures do? Nanak is devoted, a sacrifice to You. ||3||7||147||

pauVI ]

Pauree:

jIvidAw mru mwir n pCoqweIAY ]

While you are alive, conquer death, and you shall have no regrets in the end.

JUTw iehu sMswru ikin smJweIAY ]

This world is false, but only a few understand this.

sic n Dry ipAwru DMDY DweIAY ]

People do not enshrine love for the Truth; they chase after worldly affairs instead.

kwlu burw KY kwlu isir dunIAweIAY ]

The terrible time of death and annihilation hovers over the heads of the world.

hukmI isir jMdwru mwry dweIAY ]

By the Hukam of the Lord's Command, the Messenger of Death smashes his club over their heads.

Awpy dyie ipAwru mMin vsweIAY ]

The Lord Himself gives His Love, and enshrines it within their minds.

muhqu n csw ivlµmu BrIAY pweIAY ]

Not a moment or an instant's delay is permitted, when one's measure of life is full.

gur prswdI buiJ sic smweIAY ]20]

By Guru's Grace, one comes to know the True One, and is absorbed into Him. ||20||

ye

in sikhi numbers do not matter

you want to jap naam with every breath, not 108 times

if you do 108 jap jee sahib paath, thats great, but so is 109 or 107

mods are biased

AHA

i found a way to post without my posts being moderated :s

now give me back my pm feature and take me off moderation and all will be well

enough of these "marriage/dating" threads already

there have been LOADS

make yourself a member and do a search

dont just comment on something like that. yes there hve been many threads but each situation differers somewhat. tell me if u read anything like what is posted by the original poster in other marriage/dating threads?? (not tryin to be harsh or make u feel =( forgve me if it does...jus u are young and these things will make more sense to u when u at that age. life isnt that simple)

somene asks advice ...nd we need to be sensitive.. the thing they are talkin about is something that requires a lot of reflection/thinking and asking advice is normal/GOOD thing.

she is hurt and needs to talk to someone. some cuts/wounds on our body requires different kind of bandage dont it? thus every situation requires somewhat different advice.

to Org poster: Sava Lakh has posted a link and it has many very good articles on marriage etc... read those and see if they help

also...think of it as it wasnt meant to be...u'll find someone better=) and will learn to applicate him(the guy u marry) more because of this incident. But if u liked this guy that much then maybe ask him what went wrong? sometimes its just the way we communicate...when we say something the other person doesn't exactly get what u are trying to say nd make up their own meaning.its imp to make sure the other person is on the same page as u.

hope ur feelin better

bhul chuk muaf karni

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh!

waheguru ji kakhalsa waheguru ji ki fateh!

yes thats fine, but "dating" is not a thing associated with sikhi

some of the replies on this topic have amazed me

"you need to meet as many people as you possibly can most of them will not be right for you but eventually one will be."

no no no no no

you dont need to meet anyone. let your parents arrange your marriage.

these kind of posts should be put on a "dating and relationships" forum

gauVI pUrbI 12 ]

Gauree Poorbee 12:

ibpl bsqR kyqy hY pihry ikAw bn mDy bwsw ]

Many people wear various robes, but what is the use of living in the forest?

khw BieAw nr dyvw DoKy ikAw jil boirE igAwqw ]1]

What good does it do if a man burns incense before his gods? What good does it do to dip one's body in water? ||1||

jIAry jwihgw mY jwnW ]

O soul, I know that I will have to depart.

Aibgq smJu ieAwnw ]

You ignorant <banned word filter activated>: understand the Imperishable Lord.

jq jq dyKau bhuir n pyKau sMig mwieAw lptwnw ]1] rhwau ]

Whatever you see, you will not see that again, but still, you cling to Maya. ||1||Pause||

igAwnI iDAwnI bhu aupdysI iehu jgu sglo DMDw ]

The spiritual teachers, meditators and the great preachers are all engrossed in these worldly affairs.

kih kbIr iek rwm nwm ibnu ieAw jgu mwieAw AMDw ]2]1]16]67]

Says Kabeer, without the Name of the One Lord, this world is blinded by Maya. ||2||1||16||67||

hopefully by the end of the month

The link has the meanings given in Prof. Sahib Singh Ji's teeka, I think : ) Whenever you get the chance you can read it on another PC.

if jeeara means life, then explain the tuk "paapi jeeara lobh karat hai aaj kaal uth jaahiga"

also expain this tuk

if you do not take jeeara to mean soul how about this

or does jio mean life as well?

if so maybe you could tell me what the word for "soul" is in gurbani?

I get the feeling from your cyber-tone that it would not be a good idea to argue with you. However, I am very sure there are thousands of meanings of the word Jio in Gurbani. I don't think we should rely solely on the translations used on STTM.

I don't know very much about Gurbani, so I'm not going to say anything else : )

no i agree with you

we should not rely soley on sttm

nor should we rely soley on prof sahib singhs teeka

we should rely soley on gurbani

we should read as much gurbani as we can and we can see where the word jio is used and in what context and from that we should be able to build up a picture on what it means in each context.

perhaps you could provide some gurbani tuks which supports your idea of the soul being pure?

and i doubt very much there are thousands of different meanings for the word jio

if so perhaps you would like to tell us a few of them?

im sorry if my cyber tone sounded offensive

im merely trying to see where you came up with your theory from

im just asking questions

please provide gurbani to back up your ideas and we can disuss them in a nice calm manner :-)